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Why do Democrats crave defeat?
Townhall.com ^ | March 25, 2007 | Kevin McCullough

Posted on 03/24/2007 10:39:38 PM PDT by jazusamo

Sunday, March 25, 2007

Please explain something to me. What is this obsession that liberals have with seeing America destroyed?

Why are they so intent on humiliating their fellow citizens? And why don't they have at least some modicum of pride about the greatest nation the world has ever produced?

In other words, why are they so insistent on seeing America pummeled?

It is clear from the way they recoil when someone refers to them as "anti-American" or "unpatriotic" that there is a piece of them (however insignificantly tiny) that does not wish to be classified as such.

But I cannot for the life of me comprehend why they are so offended. It seems to me that if you love your country, that you love it most when it faces its toughest challenges. But this is not the case with John Murtha, Nancy Pelosi, Rahm Emmanuel, and the other 215 that first authored, then voted for, the bill that would hand over victory to the terrorists we have been battling so hard to defeat since 9/11.

In their own echo-chamber vanity Murtha, Pelosi and company believe themselves to be smarter than the commanders of the operations in the war on terror. And they believe that we will sit mesmerized, like sheep, while they single-handedly attempt to give the terrorists a date for victory - August 31, 2008.

But they didn't just author defeat - they campaigned for it.

Only a day or two earlier the "let the terrorists win" bill looked like it was in deep trouble. Some of the more socially conservative blue-dog democrats argued that it would not play well to the average citizen to be authoring a bill, and to hold hostage the paychecks of the men and women in uniform over the issue of when we give victory to the other side.

And that is when the $96 million dollar supplement began to expand like Murtha's waistline. When it was finally passed it had ballooned to nearly $124 million.

Now don't get me wrong - I think that spending more on defense is nearly always a good thing. The problem with this evolving spending measure was that it was all about the pork. The additional $28 million added to the bill was the price of all the "gimmes" that Democrat leadership was forced to pony up just to bribe, er... buy, scratch that... secure the reluctant congressional members’ votes. And by increasing the price tag by more than an additional one fourth of the monies of the original supplement, they were only able to get 218 votes - the barest of bare minimums to get the measure passed.

So not only did the Democrats author a resolution that called for the terrorists to claim victory on August 31, 2008, not only did they twist arms of lower ranking members to get them on board, now they were willing to spend the money that you and I are sending them by way of our tax bill - to fund the effort to buy congressional members' loyalty to the concept of the terrorists winning.

Am I the only one in America that thinks this is truly, dastardly, diabolically - sick?

Personally I believe I work far too many hours, for not nearly enough money, to be paying the exorbitant amount of taxes - to only have them be used against the safety and welfare of my family.

How do these people sleep at night?

It is one thing to attempt to a have a philosophical position that spouts platitudes about the violence of our world. It's another to be against war as a general principle and long for the day when conflicts can truly be decided by judgment and fair play.

But when we have sinister forces on earth that seek our destruction and we have members of Congress who instead of representing the safety, security, and freedoms of America - decide instead to take our own income and bankroll our future destruction, then somebody, somewhere has to say something!

Fortunately we have a President who will have the judgment to veto this measure. But I am still greatly disturbed by the fact that the "People's House" of those who represent us, are so eager to wave the flag of surrender. They could not telegraph any more precisely how they would like to see us lose, and the terrorists win, than by putting a date on a piece of legislation for total terrorist victory… And they did it before our watching eyes.

It is unwise to believe that 218 congressional members know more about the situation on the ground than the commanders who serve us without political bias or corruption.

It is unsafe to surrender the type of staging ground Iraq would become if we were to leave the terrorists there unmolested and undefeated.

It is un-American to act in the interest of our enemies.

It is unpatriotic (against one’s love for one’s own country) to legislate, campaign in favor of, and bribe representatives to vote for defeat.

And it is unacceptable that Democrats spit on “We The People” in this fashion.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: democrat; democrats; dncvalues; kmc; liberalagenda; liberals; stuckonstupid
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To: jazusamo
What is this obsession that liberals have with seeing America destroyed?

I'm guessing they're tired of hiding under their beds and just want if over with.  Or they believe that the terrorist will spare them because of their undying support.

101 posted on 03/25/2007 8:25:18 AM PDT by scratcher
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To: mkjessup
You should read this reply which contains Alinsky's rules for radicals and observe how many of them you utilize.
102 posted on 03/25/2007 8:26:23 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Caipirabob
So much great commentary on this thread.

Absolutely...I believe this is FR at it's best.

103 posted on 03/25/2007 8:26:39 AM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: Mark17
You give them [Dims] too much credit. They think that they are the elite, entitled to be at the top of the heap, no matter what.

Machiavellian leftists use that character flaw to achieve the destruction of US, hoping to sink all boats, rather than raise those that can be raised.

104 posted on 03/25/2007 8:33:52 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: advance_copy

Good Job.


105 posted on 03/25/2007 8:34:43 AM PDT by scratcher
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To: philman_36; All
You should read this reply which contains Alinsky's rules for radicals and observe how many of them you utilize.

No Phil, you need to get yourself a life and get over this fixation you seem to have developed for me, I'm sorry, but you're just not my type.

We're done here.
106 posted on 03/25/2007 8:38:19 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: jazusamo
I also believe this vote is going to hurt them in the long run...Pelosi wanted to show her leadership ability. It's going to come back to bite her...

If we lived in a nation in which such treachery would come back to bite those who practice it, the Democrats would never have been handed the Congress last year.

Sorry, but I no longer have any faith in the American people. I especially no longer have any faith in the so-called "real" conservatives who have spent the better part of the last two or three years trashing President Bush here on this forum and elsewhere. When you discourage and demoralize the good guys into rage at the wrong enemy, don't be surprised when the bad guys win.

107 posted on 03/25/2007 8:42:14 AM PDT by Wolfstar (When you whip the good guys into rage at the wrong enemy, don't be surprised when the bad guys win.)
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To: freema
Here is some info you may not know. See Post 87 for confirmation.
108 posted on 03/25/2007 8:46:58 AM PDT by Chgogal (Vote Al Qaeda. Vote Democrat.)
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To: mkjessup
No Phil, you need to get yourself a life and get over this fixation you seem to have developed for me...
I have a life and I have no fixation with you. You're implying that I do doesn't make it so.
...I'm sorry, but you're just not my type.
Your "you're gay" inuendo, just like your "you're following me" BS, has been used before and here it comes back again, just as useless now as then.
We're done here.
You might want to pull that fork out first.
109 posted on 03/25/2007 8:47:49 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: mkjessup
With few exceptions, Democrats are cowards, traitors, liars and fiends.

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:)

110 posted on 03/25/2007 8:48:25 AM PDT by smoothsailing (http://www.gatheringofeagles.org/)
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To: philman_36

You persistent and neurotic hectoring are only demonstrating how mentally disturbed you truly are.

Get help Phil, get it as soon as possible.


111 posted on 03/25/2007 8:50:34 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: TN4Liberty
I am pleased that my congressman (Lincoln Davis (D-Tn)), despite being a democrat, voted against this silliness. I wish more democrats were like him.

Yes...At least there are a few Dems left who put our country before themselves.

112 posted on 03/25/2007 8:51:34 AM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: smoothsailing
As regards the 218 members of Congress who voted for Jihad....

Yes, he put that very well but you have the answer to it.

113 posted on 03/25/2007 8:57:54 AM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: advance_copy
You can largely answer the question you have posed by a re-read of the goals of the Communist Party that became part of the Congressional Record in 1963. These goals of the Communist Party in the late 50's, which have been largely realized, and of the Democratic Party in 2007 have much in common. A scary thought.

Take a look at this FR post from 2000:

The Naked Communist

Or read the Congressional Record version HERE

114 posted on 03/25/2007 9:06:14 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: mkjessup
You (sic) persistent and neurotic hectoring are only demonstrating how mentally disturbed you truly are.
You sound like a great big WAH!
Someone turns the heat on you by calling you on your own words and all of a sudden they're "following you" or they're "the devil". /Bobby Boucheaux's Momma impression
You're a real piece of work. You've yet to even defend what I called you on.
115 posted on 03/25/2007 9:08:44 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Chgogal
an X-ray technician and daughter of a local union organizer who ended up in more than one paddy wagon as a protester in the 1960s.

Thanks for the link. It seems to run in the family.

116 posted on 03/25/2007 9:10:50 AM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: jazusamo; smoothsailing
As regards the 218 members of Congress who voted for Jihad....
Yes, he put that very well but you have the answer to it.


All we need now is a Department of Justice willing to enforce the applicable laws.
117 posted on 03/25/2007 9:16:34 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: aflaak

ping


118 posted on 03/25/2007 9:54:15 AM PDT by r-q-tek86 (Snakes can't be taught to walk.)
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To: Wolfstar
When you discourage and demoralize the good guys into rage at the wrong enemy, don't be surprised when the bad guys win.

Agreed...The attacks by the "real" conservative arm chair generals who want to elevate themselves in others eyes by degrading our president are getting old.

119 posted on 03/25/2007 9:58:02 AM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: mkjessup
All we need now is a Department of Justice willing to enforce the applicable laws.

We need a John Bolton for an Attorney General and his first month in office should be used for a complete house cleaning.

120 posted on 03/25/2007 10:02:37 AM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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