Skip to comments.Why do Democrats crave defeat?
Posted on 03/24/2007 10:39:38 PM PDT by jazusamo
Sunday, March 25, 2007
Please explain something to me. What is this obsession that liberals have with seeing America destroyed?
Why are they so intent on humiliating their fellow citizens? And why don't they have at least some modicum of pride about the greatest nation the world has ever produced?
In other words, why are they so insistent on seeing America pummeled?
It is clear from the way they recoil when someone refers to them as "anti-American" or "unpatriotic" that there is a piece of them (however insignificantly tiny) that does not wish to be classified as such.
But I cannot for the life of me comprehend why they are so offended. It seems to me that if you love your country, that you love it most when it faces its toughest challenges. But this is not the case with John Murtha, Nancy Pelosi, Rahm Emmanuel, and the other 215 that first authored, then voted for, the bill that would hand over victory to the terrorists we have been battling so hard to defeat since 9/11.
In their own echo-chamber vanity Murtha, Pelosi and company believe themselves to be smarter than the commanders of the operations in the war on terror. And they believe that we will sit mesmerized, like sheep, while they single-handedly attempt to give the terrorists a date for victory - August 31, 2008.
But they didn't just author defeat - they campaigned for it.
Only a day or two earlier the "let the terrorists win" bill looked like it was in deep trouble. Some of the more socially conservative blue-dog democrats argued that it would not play well to the average citizen to be authoring a bill, and to hold hostage the paychecks of the men and women in uniform over the issue of when we give victory to the other side.
And that is when the $96 million dollar supplement began to expand like Murtha's waistline. When it was finally passed it had ballooned to nearly $124 million.
Now don't get me wrong - I think that spending more on defense is nearly always a good thing. The problem with this evolving spending measure was that it was all about the pork. The additional $28 million added to the bill was the price of all the "gimmes" that Democrat leadership was forced to pony up just to bribe, er... buy, scratch that... secure the reluctant congressional members votes. And by increasing the price tag by more than an additional one fourth of the monies of the original supplement, they were only able to get 218 votes - the barest of bare minimums to get the measure passed.
So not only did the Democrats author a resolution that called for the terrorists to claim victory on August 31, 2008, not only did they twist arms of lower ranking members to get them on board, now they were willing to spend the money that you and I are sending them by way of our tax bill - to fund the effort to buy congressional members' loyalty to the concept of the terrorists winning.
Am I the only one in America that thinks this is truly, dastardly, diabolically - sick?
Personally I believe I work far too many hours, for not nearly enough money, to be paying the exorbitant amount of taxes - to only have them be used against the safety and welfare of my family.
How do these people sleep at night?
It is one thing to attempt to a have a philosophical position that spouts platitudes about the violence of our world. It's another to be against war as a general principle and long for the day when conflicts can truly be decided by judgment and fair play.
But when we have sinister forces on earth that seek our destruction and we have members of Congress who instead of representing the safety, security, and freedoms of America - decide instead to take our own income and bankroll our future destruction, then somebody, somewhere has to say something!
Fortunately we have a President who will have the judgment to veto this measure. But I am still greatly disturbed by the fact that the "People's House" of those who represent us, are so eager to wave the flag of surrender. They could not telegraph any more precisely how they would like to see us lose, and the terrorists win, than by putting a date on a piece of legislation for total terrorist victory And they did it before our watching eyes.
It is unwise to believe that 218 congressional members know more about the situation on the ground than the commanders who serve us without political bias or corruption.
It is unsafe to surrender the type of staging ground Iraq would become if we were to leave the terrorists there unmolested and undefeated.
It is un-American to act in the interest of our enemies.
It is unpatriotic (against ones love for ones own country) to legislate, campaign in favor of, and bribe representatives to vote for defeat.
And it is unacceptable that Democrats spit on We The People in this fashion.
Thus, anything done to hasten the destruction of this nation is a GOOD thing.
After September 11, President Bush decimated the Taliban, chased Al Qaeda into the caves, established an ally in Pakistan while keeping good relations with India, and averted economic catastrophe in this country. Democrats could only recover from his success by destroying him at all costs.
So lowly partisan interests of the left demanded the war in Iraq must be lost. Victory in the conflict would extract too high a political price for them. They and their allies in media needed America to be humiliated in Iraq, no matter the price to our nations security.
Democrats have yet to achieve the defeat they require, but we have already paid a price for their banal political interests. We have paid in blood, treasure, and prestige. This alone is cause enough for my permanent contempt of them, which every Democrat has earned and should count on in perpetuity.
And there is something even uglier in their treachery. The war in Iraq may not break America. Even if denied victory, which every Democrat has as primary unwavering goal, our nation might recover. Yet there is a price paid that cannot ever be restored.
Every American, who serves in Iraq, though they may not know this, is engaged in the most significant endeavor of their lives, no matter what else they do. There is a reason old men who fought put on their memorial hats, medals, some even their uniforms, and assemble with regularity their whole lives to commemorate the battles in which they were called to fight. War and its outcome lasts a lifetime; its effect on those who fight is indelible.
During two years working in the Pentagon and one year on a Navy base, I knew many veterans of the Vietnam War. Every one had something stolen from them. The same leftist political interests, whose most important agenda today is defeat in Iraq, denied them the glory of victory in Vietnam forty years ago. You can sense in every Vietnam veteran the loss they carry, having been robbed of such great honor they had earned.
Every member of the United States military today should find a Vietnam veteran and ask them what it is like to go through life having lost a war. Then they should recognize that the leftist agenda requires they be forced to live the same.
Of course, Democrats will blame President Bush. They will proclaim forever that he lied us into war.
But it was George Tenet, appointed to be Director of the CIA by Bill Clinton, who told President Bush that WMD in Iraq was a slam dunk. In October 2002, Tom Daschle demanded the debate on an Iraq War resolution, which most Democrats including the Senate Majority Leader voted to support.
Hillary Clinton stood in the Senate and said of her decision to support the Iraq War resolution, In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program.
Clinton then asserted of Saddam Hussein, He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members.
If George Bush lied us into war, then so did Hillary Clinton and a number of Democrats. If we were not lied into war, then Democrats today are trying to lie us into defeat. Either way, the leftists are trying to steal from our soldiers the honor they are due and on which they should stand their whole lives as they remember the travails of combat.
In the aftermath of 9/11, America left victorious would do too much damage to the agenda of the left; a defeat had to be arranged. We have no way of knowing if Democrats planned for the U.S. to be bogged down in Iraq, but it was not long after the war started before Democrats started using words like quagmire and Bushs Vietnam.
If Democrats get their way, and they might, Americas Iraq War veterans will carry the burden of defeat their whole lives. They will pay the price and suffer loss for the leftist agenda. It was the only way for the left to survive after September 11.
Why do Democrats crave defeat?....they don't, to a leftist, America's defeat is victory for the worlds left
I am not sure, but I honestly believe many demon rats (democrats) are socialists at best and outright communists at worst and the US has been a bone in the throat of communism for a long time.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
With few exceptions, Democrats are cowards, traitors, liars and fiends. They deny and/or despise God and all that is Holy, they believe it is their destiny to drag down our Nation into dishonor and defeat so that they can build a socialist/Communist-style society on the ashes of our Constitutional Republic.
The Democrats wage war on conservatives, not on America's enemies. Democrats prefer to give aid and comfort to those who would rob, rape and murder us, in their view, criminals are the victims, and the victims (as long as they are conservative Republicans) deserve whatever they get.
Democrats believe that every day is April 15th, conservative Republicans believe that every day is July 4th, and RINOs believe that we need to 'reach out' to our poor, misunderstood, unappreciated 'friends across the aisle'.
And that's just for starters.
Great post, AC. Thank you for it, I couldn't agree more.
Anything to maintain THEIR political power: military defeat, blame Bush for everything, keep the people pessimistic and dependent on Big Govt for a hand out and solution to every personal problem, fewer freedoms, legislate from the bench, no moral judgments, no more "can-do" spirit (because ya just "can't do" without the Govt), etc., etc.
I agree. I also believe this vote is going to hurt them in the long run. They knew it probably wouldn't get thru the Senate and for sure the president wouldn't sign it but I guess Pelosi wanted to show her leadership ability. It's going to come back to bite her, JMO.
I like your analogies to the dates, they're right on.
Exactly, everything else comes after including the well being of our country.
Is that too hard to understand?
In fact tratitorous
Doug Thompson sure put it out there, it's almost eerie.
If an American victory were deemed to put the sheep shears into the Democrats hands, then they'd be warmongers.
Follow the "Benjamins" (aka "el dinero").
No it's not too hard to understand and they've got the libs on SCOTUS helping them.
I disagree. The leftists I know--and I know a lot of them, living in Boston and working in Cambridge--all walk around with their arms in casts from all the back-patting they do to themselves.
There is an article here from the NYT--look it up by typing in the words "toilet paper" in keyword search--that shows a perfect example of lefty self-love.
Yo' Kevin McCullough -
Have you any sense of what compromises a socialist?
It is really very simple. The overwhelming majority of democrats and a few Republicans in Congress are cowards.
As so many of the responses on this thread have been, your post was a treat to read.
All of my treasure for the ability to write so clearly and with the greatness that some of you folks seemingly do with ease, confidence and wisdom.
Democrats are indeed worthless cowards, traitors and liars, all.
We certainly have our own problems, failings and weight to carry, but these Traitors will only have value... when their bodies have rotted and they become nourishment for plant life, period.
Within the family or team, it's one for all and all for one, from each according to the ability to each according to their need. Very Marxist. Any child worth their salt would cry bloody murder if their parent gave their sibling millions and a life of luxury, while they were left to clean the fire place like poor Cinderella.
It takes a firm grounding in religion, history or other studies to learn that the rules by which communities, economies, corporations and nations best operate are quite different.
The leftists lack this grounding. Perhaps in a few cases they are well read, but they haven't learned to apply different rules to the world at large.
They instinctively hate the successful, the wealthy, the biggest businesses, the wealthiest nations, and in particular the modestly wealthy, big business friendly, leader of the wealthiest nation - President Bush. They go after big oil, big drug, big hamburger, big retail, big tobacco, big auto, big military, big anything. It's all evil to them.
They get spitting mad at all this ... It's just not fair!! If someone has a million times another, it is just plain evil! Nevermind that the only alternative is for almost everyone to live in deep poverty, poorer than the poorest American.
They live in fear, fear arising from lack of faith. And as all fearful people, they are particularly subject to rage, jealousy, envy and hatred.
They are the left. Their leaders have known for a century that a well taught, faith based, population is the mortal enemy of concentrated (in their hands) power at the highest levels. Their leaders have somewhat successfully worked to undermine the religious and educational basis of a strong citizenry.
We fight on two fronts - Islamic Jihad and Leftist Marxism. I don't know which is more dangerous, but I suspect that it is the latter.
The answer is very simple. The Democrat party is the communist party in drag (although their masks are beginning to come off) and their goal is, and always has been, to overthrow the United States government and replace it with a soviet state. This is what it's all about and before it's over, there will be another civil war, the soviets will be defeated, and we will get our country back.
Sorry, meant cultural self-hatred.
Democrats want to be in charge,and they will do ANYTHING to get that power ,even if it means America's demise.With their latest vote the Dems had to nearly promise the moon to get some of their own people to vote for it.Something is going to happen,sooner or later, and the Dems will be unable to blame anyone but themselves.
There is a peculiar mindset, found especially often in liberals, that believes that anything that's exceptionally good, by its existence, will make everything else (including themselves) worse. By destroying the good things they can thus make everything else, including themselves, better by comparison.
Thanks for your post.
I almost didn't post this article tonight because it's passed my usual bedtime but I figured I would go ahead for the late ones here.
I'm glad I did, there are many great posts on it.
Yeah, as I mentioned in my initial post, they sure do hate the very society that has given them a platform to express their hatred of it.
Some outstanding contributions on this thread.
The more I learn about Information Operations and Psychological Operations, the more I realize what a job is being done on the American domestic target audience.
Wow, spot on! Be careful about using the "C" word in public though, as you'll immediately be labeled a McCartheyist. I prefer "Bolsheviks."
What we now recognize as Islamic Jihad was fomented with Soviet assistance. Cultural Marxism/political correctness served as an information operations preparation of the battlefield for the current iteration of this multi-century war of civilizations.
Thank you very much.
Ping to Kevin!
So what were the Democrats to do ? Not Much. They were turning into frothing maniacal rabid dogs - biting and clawing at anything they could. And as Rush likes to say, descending into the first stages of utter madness. They had failed in everything else until then including their prediction about the economy.
So their only hope lay in Iraq, which unfortunately for them was out of their control. Well not entirely, but for the most part. If Bush was to be discredited, paving the way for 2008,** AMERICA MUST LOSE**. This is Bush's war, so America must not only lose, it must be HUMILIATED like never before - and if possible with body count in the tens of thousands. But how can the Democrats achieve that ? There are two ways that are obvious a) Force a withdrawal -- a withdrawal in the public's eye is a defeat because the job is still unfinished. And thats all they care about - how the public perceives it. b) Cut off funding. If you cut off funding then b) leads to a) and the Democrat mission is accomplished.
In conclusion, the Democrats do not care about America. They do not really care if America wins or America loses so long as they can reclaim power in 2008. But for now, an American defeat to them is a means to an end. That my FRiends is why the Democrats crave defeat.
Ah, the good old B word. I agree it's safer, but only because the graduates of todays indoctrination centers (Universities) don't know what "Bolshevik" means.
This time the choice is Hillery Clinton, the one person more incompetent than JEC.
I've never seen such strong words in print - except on FR. He actually called the democrats "un-American" and "un-patriotic" .. pretty strong stuff in D.C. .. and I loved this statement: "... this is truly, dastardly, diabolically - sick?"
BUT .. I HAVE THE ANSWER TO Kevin McCullough's question. In the book, "Legacy: Paying the price for the Clinton years", written by Rich Lowry, Rich quotes an article by Jacob Weisberg, titled "Clincest". Weisberg was marveling at all the incestuous relationships within the Clinton admin. Many of the heads of depts were Rhodes Scholars and 8 staff members were former Harvard professors. He outlined all the academic and social ties of the Clinton team, making for "the increasingly cozy relationships among press, law, academia and govt that now mark the Clinton era". Weisberg called this group a "hermetic and incestuous clique".
Rich went on - This elite didn't just feel a call to run the country, it felt it deserved to run the country. Then, Rich continued to quote Weisberg, and it was a stunning revelation: "They think of themselves as entitled to power in a way their antecedents never did" ... "the Clinton circle has a pronounced class consciousness that tells them they're not just lucky to be here. They're running things because they're the best". How could anyone reject the leadership of a group of people so intelligent and famously "conscience stricken?" In the Clintons, this sense of entitlement produced a deep anger at the fact that their ambitions encountered resistance.
Bush was not supposed to win in 2000. Gore was supposed to win and when he didn't the "elites" went ballistic. How dare the public reject those who were entitled to govern. The Bush-hatred is all wound up in these facts about the "entitlement mentality of the democrats". This is why Bush must fail at being President because he had the audacity to take away their entitled position of power. He must be rendered moot and a failure. That's why we have the hate-Bush all the time garbage. And .. frankly .. I'm pretty sick of it.
The going rate used to be 30 pieces of silver.
Just another part of the Democrats' "Contract On America".
because they are progressists who like to judge the dead, fabricate paper against those who can't (Schiavo), in other words death worshipers and homosexual necrophiliacs at heart, and that this war on terror is shaping into a war which attacks their very hearts they dare not acknowledge nor show fully... yet.
However, the Gathering of Eagles tells me that the dems will not get their way .. and this disgusting vote will keep them out of the WH in 2008.
As far as I'm concerned, its Blood Money. The Democrats are willing the sacrifice the lives of American soldiers for money. Where is their Patriotism?
I learned that in Spring 2001, during the event that really made me a committed FReeper. MSM non-coverage of the Cincinnati riots was astounding. Here we were, getting daily, real-time, first-hand reports on FR, often from people making transcripts from local and even police radio broadcasts, while the national media made barely a peep about the whole event. Presumably because it wouldn't reflect well on a favored minority group.
MSM media ops on the American people went downhill after 9/11. A media black hole similar to the one above happened almost immediately, with respect to 9/11 images, for example.