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Why do Democrats crave defeat?
Townhall.com ^ | March 25, 2007 | Kevin McCullough

Posted on 03/24/2007 10:39:38 PM PDT by jazusamo

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To: jazusamo
The Democrat Party is the Political Machine of the Left.

The Left is a deep current of Decadence in Western Civilization that, if not defeated, will destroy Western Civilization.

It is as dangerous as the black plague that ravished the world in centuries past, but it is even more deadly. It threatens the complete destruction of Western Civilization, an accomplishment that the black plague failed to achieve.

The West cannot be destroyed from without, i.e. by foreign enemies. However, the West is in mortal danger of destruction from within, by the forces of Decadence--the Left.

If it were not for the Left--the enemy within--the foreign enemies of Western Civilization would be of little consequence and would be easily dispatched.

The United States is the last, great stronghold of Western Civilization in the world today. That's why her enemies want her destroyed.

51 posted on 03/25/2007 3:25:00 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The Left is America's Ephialtes.)
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To: advance_copy
During two years working in the Pentagon and one year on a Navy base, I knew many veterans of the Vietnam War. Every one had something stolen from them.

Did they call the Pentagon Police?

You can sense in every Vietnam veteran the loss they carry, having been robbed of such great honor they had earned.

Are you sensing anything from this Vietnam Vet?

My BS detector's on full gain.

Every member of the United States military today should find a Vietnam veteran and ask them what it is like to go through life having lost a war.

Theives and a Drama Department at the Pentagon. Who knew?

52 posted on 03/25/2007 3:43:15 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: jazusamo
Why do Democrats crave defeat?

The short answer is because that is what their Lord and Master Satan wants for America. And like good lackeys, they are doing their master's bidding.

53 posted on 03/25/2007 3:53:19 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: jazusamo
Democrats crave defeat because they do not believe in discrimination.

Survival requires discrimination. You must be able to discriminate between good and evil, safe and dangerous, true and false, God and satan, and you must be free to act on your discriminations.

Sometime in the past 50 years, men of the west (not just Democrats) lost the ability to discriminate. In fact, the failure of the Bush administration is occurring because when they discriminate, as they must, they fear that they are doing something wrong. When they are accusedof discrimination by the left, they act guilty.

We need to get the ability to discriminate back, or we will die.

54 posted on 03/25/2007 4:01:22 AM PDT by Jim Noble (But that's why they play the games)
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To: Tut; All

Thanks for the article. Many outstanding comments on this thread. BTTT!


55 posted on 03/25/2007 4:24:14 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: jazusamo
Demoncrats want the defeat/destruction of America so that they may present themselves as saviors. It worked very well for them in the early 1930's.
56 posted on 03/25/2007 4:50:16 AM PDT by gdzla
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To: leadpenny

Bookmark


57 posted on 03/25/2007 4:54:13 AM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: jazusamo

"What is this obsession that liberals have with seeing America destroyed?"

I've read some pretty good answers to this question so far on this thread. Let me add my bit. Yes, these bolsheviks (I prefer this term rather than "liberal". Seems a bit more accurate) hate the U.S. and hunger for it's destruction. My niece is a bolshevik. She explained that the U.S. consumes a majority of the world's resources, holds a majority of the world's wealth, and gives little in return. She feels ("Feels" is a good bolshevik word. Denies reason) that this is unfair. If the United States falls, all these resources and that wealth will be reallocated, and her world will be a better, far fairer place. She believes Corporations are the mechanism for this exploitation, and are closely associated with government interests. Capitalism is evil and merciless. It leaves the broken and downtrodden in its wake.
She is a hypocrite, as are all bolsheviks. Her husband works in the aerospace industry as a computer programer. He is an immigrant that has come to the U.S. to make a better living for himself and his family. He too, hates the United States. Doesn't make any sense does it? Additionally, bolsheviks must remain loyal to their sense of intellectual superiority. Bragging rights at their evening cocktail clutches are very important to them.


58 posted on 03/25/2007 5:01:19 AM PDT by Gum Shoe
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To: jazusamo

It's a good question.

Think about N.O.W. Then Bill Clinton.

Then, if you dare, Juanita.

The democrat party is very much now run by women and homosexuals. Not all democrats fit that narrow definition, but the agenda clearly, belongs to those two groups.

What do women and homosexuals have in common? They do not crave to be strong. They seek to be desirable.

At some level, pardon me ladies, but fact is, most seek to be taken.

That's the problem. Liberals want America to be a woman. And then ... be taken. I believe on some level, that's what liberals are about.

There are far too many liberals out there, who want to lose.

It helps if the "taker" says the right things. But fact is, liberals don't seek to win.

Except against conservatives. Because conservatives don't want to take them, or have anything to do with them. A woman scorned?

It may be that simple, IMO.

It's quite dangerous. Liberals are putting a dress on America. Next comes the lipstick.


59 posted on 03/25/2007 5:01:21 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Mr. President: PARDON NACHO AND JOSE!)
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To: advance_copy
Either way, the leftists are trying to steal from our soldiers the honor they are due and on which they should stand their whole lives as they remember the travails of combat.

Your whole synopsis is eloquently put.

Ya know, I often call these people "stupid", "idiotic", or just befuddled "dumbasses", but the reality is after what we saw this week with the outrageous "defunding vote" these people are just plain EVIL BASTARDS!

60 posted on 03/25/2007 5:06:23 AM PDT by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: jazusamo

Why do liberals seem to hate America while bristling when we call them anti-American? Because they DO love America. They love its land, the physical space that America occupies, but they abhor capitalism, and therefore liberals hate everything that made America what it is today.


61 posted on 03/25/2007 5:11:44 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: PGalt
One last thought here.

For a good while the Democrat leadership have denied that Iraq had anything to do with the war on terror even while the bombings and murdering by the Al Qaeda in Iraq goes on daily. I am amazed at this every time I read or hear this.

They shutout and totally ignore the realities that we face even after being told time after time after time they still live in denial of the truth.

A letter from Zawahiri sent to Zarqawi of his plans for his side on the war. He states the following

So we must think for a long time about our next steps and how we want to attain it, and it is my humble opinion that the Jihad in Iraq requires several incremental goals:

The first stage: Expel the Americans from Iraq.

The second stage: Establish an Islamic authority or amirate, then develop it and support it until it achieves the level of a caliphate- over as much territory as you can to spread its power in Iraq, i.e., in Sunni areas, is in order to fill the void stemming from the departure of the Americans, immediately upon their exit and before unIslamic forces attempt to fill this void, whether those whom the Americans will leave behind them, or those among the un-Islamic forces who will try to jump at taking power.

There is no doubt that this amirate will enter into a fierce struggle with the foreign infidel forces, and those supporting them among the local forces, to put it in a state of constant preoccupation with defending itself, to make it impossible for it to establish a stable state which could proclaim a caliphate, and to keep the Jihadist groups in a constant state of war, until these forces find a chance to annihilate them.

The third stage: Extend the jihad wave to the secular countries neighboring Iraq.

The fourth stage: It may coincide with what came before: the clash with Israel, because Israel was established only to challenge any new Islamic entity.

My raising this idea-I don't claim that it's infallible-is only to stress something extremely important. And it is that the mujahedeen must not have their mission end with the expulsion of the Americans from Iraq, and then lay down their weapons, and silence the fighting zeal. We will return to having the secularists and traitors holding sway over us. Instead, their ongoing mission is to establish an Islamic state, and defend it, and for every generation to hand over the banner to the one after it until the Hour of Resurrection.

If the matter is thus, we must contemplate our affairs carefully, so that we are not robbed of the spoils, and our brothers did not die, so that others can reap the fruits of their labor.

D-If we look at the two short-term goals, which are removing the Americans and establishing an Islamic amirate in Iraq, or a caliphate if possible, then, we will see that the strongest weapon which the mujahedeen enjoy - after the help and granting of success by God - ispopular support from the Muslim masses in Iraq, and the surrounding Muslim countries.

So, we must maintain this support as best we can, and we should strive to increase it, on the condition that striving for that support does not lead to any concession in the laws of the Sharia.


He also wrote about the media in the following.

However, despite all of this, I say to you: that we are in a battle, and that more than half of this battle is taking place in the battlefield of the media. And that we are in a media battle in a race for the hearts and minds of our Umma. And that however far our capabilities reach, they will never be equal to one thousandth of the capabilities of the kingdom of Satan that is waging war on us. And we can kill the captives by bullet. That would achieve that which is sought after without exposing ourselves to the questions and answering to doubts. We don't need this.

If you are interested in reading the letter if you have not already, a copy of it can be found at http://www.iraqfact.com/Zawahiri_letter_to_Zarqawi.html
62 posted on 03/25/2007 5:12:49 AM PDT by Tut
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To: jazusamo

For DemocRATs in defeat there is victory. The fact that they are putting everyone in the US in joepardy doesn't matter as long as there is political gain. A massive recall movement is in order.


63 posted on 03/25/2007 5:15:55 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, but DemocRATs believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: jazusamo
Too bad the GOP spent like drunken sailors in recent years. If we hadn't we could make better protests against all the pork.

For the GOP to complain about pork now seems a lot like saying "Where's my pork chop?".
64 posted on 03/25/2007 5:16:39 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: jazusamo
Democrats crave defeat because they are self-hating people who feel guilty with success. They are manipulated by international forces, (and have been since the 1930's)that actively work for a weakened US. The end of the cold war with US victory was the scariest moment in history for these forces. The desperation with which they have sought the weakening of the US ever since is appalling but not unexpected.

The forces of the left use a variety of tools to weaken us. They use the tax laws to make us weak economically. They seek imaginary environmental issues to limit our industrial and agricultural strength. The seek to limit the 2nd amendment to remove power from the hands of individuals and inculcate a sense of dependency in the population. They seek to limit our speech so as to limit our thoughts. The plan is general, pervasive and fairly successful. Look at how they marginalize people like Ann Coulter who speaks her mind. Look at how the term "gun-nut" sounds reasonable when applied to any gun owner.

If we won the war against islamo-fascism tomorrow and became energy independent by next Wednesday and proved that climate change (if it exists at all) was caused by the sun and not man, the left would have to find another weapon with which to limit us.

There are only two human forces on earth, one fighting for individual freedom and the other fighting to limit it. The first fights from a position of loving strength, accomplishment and individual excellence, the other from a position of self-hating, weakness and groupthink.

65 posted on 03/25/2007 5:19:48 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: oprahstheantichrist
Be careful about using the "C" word in public though, as you'll immediately be labeled a McCartheyist. I prefer "Bolsheviks."

Bolsheviks is probably to accurate for the mavens of the left to understand, and goes right over the head of those uneducated in history. I often use the term I first saw used by David Horowitz, neocommunist. Horowitz knows what he is talking about given that he was once a member of the "new left".

66 posted on 03/25/2007 5:25:18 AM PDT by Fraxinus (My opinion worth what you paid.)
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To: advance_copy

bttt


67 posted on 03/25/2007 5:26:50 AM PDT by petercooper ("Daisy-cutters trump a wiretap anytime." - Nicole Gelinas - 02-10-04)
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To: jazusamo

The Rats collectively are pacifists. They have almost no morals, but the remaining shred thinks killing people is the only sin.

They think the issue of war was settled in the 70's. There shall be no war. None! There is no cause to justify the killing of people that requires war.

We commonly refer to enviros a representative of a new religion, but pacifism is close to the same irrational belief.


68 posted on 03/25/2007 5:28:08 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Abby is my girl....)
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To: jazusamo
Why do Democrats crave defeat?

First, democrats hate America. If you look at the majority of them, there are many that think capitalism is bad and government is good. More people on the gov's teat and their party keeps growing. I've talked to many dims who think that no single person or corporation should be allowed to have more money than themselves. They actually believe in 100% socialism.

Many dims are either immigrants who came here from depressed countries to make better lives for themselves. The first thing they do, is see that they can live on the taxpayers' contribution and so begins another dim on the way to welfare.

Social programs and the constant pork projects the dim congress is passing is a good example of what the dim's idea for the US. They hate the fact that people can actually make it on their own and not have big gov helping them survive.

69 posted on 03/25/2007 5:50:23 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Many people are being held as slaves by the democrats through government assistance.)
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To: Darkwolf377; mkjessup
Both of you wrote excellent replies to this thread. Kudos to both of you.
70 posted on 03/25/2007 6:02:21 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: jazusamo

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71 posted on 03/25/2007 6:03:45 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Darkwolf377

I see another reason - a political reason.
Liberals are democrats. Democrats are diametrically opposed to anything Republicans are for. If Republicans had come out against the war after 9/11 the Democrats would have been major warmongers.


72 posted on 03/25/2007 6:05:46 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: jazusamo

I am pleased that my congressman (Lincoln Davis (D-Tn)), despite being a democrat, voted against this silliness. I wish more democrats were like him.


73 posted on 03/25/2007 6:25:05 AM PDT by TN4Liberty (Sixty percent of all people understand statistics. The other half are clueless.)
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To: jazusamo
I think it is more than defeatism. The Democrats are so consumed with Bush hate that they must discredit him at every turn and how better than to not only blame him for an unpopular war but also an ignominious defeat. The August 2008 time table is not arbitrary. They want the war to come to a humiliating end just in time to have the maximum effect for the 2008 elections.

This is all being done for political power. The Democrats have two objectives. First to placate their radical anti war leftist base and second to pick up the majority of American people who they see as tired of the unpopular war. What they are not understanding is that the sycophant MSM is no longer the major source of news and the people are finding out what is really happening in Iraq. They also do not understand that the Islamic fascists emboldened by what they see as a weak American resolve will again attack the US in an attempt to influence the 2008 elections as they did so successfully in Spain.

74 posted on 03/25/2007 6:32:03 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: jazusamo
Final Vote: Jihad 218-Troops 212

As regards the 218 members of Congress who voted for Jihad....

U.S. Code Title 18, Section 2381 Treason. "Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States".

75 posted on 03/25/2007 6:34:26 AM PDT by smoothsailing (http://www.gatheringofeagles.org/)
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To: philman_36; Gator113
Nothing is too extreme for you though, is it? You do more damage than good.

Ah crap, didn't I just finish trying to explain things to you in another thread? Well, in for a dime, in for a dollar:

If the net result is treason to America, it doesn't matter if it was 'simply misguided', 'ignorant', etc., you want to make excuses for treason, I say hang the traitors.

Gator113 doesn't think that's too extreme, I'm beginning to think you're just a little too sensitive for your own good.
76 posted on 03/25/2007 6:38:57 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: mkjessup
Well said and I couldn't agree more ...

With few exceptions, Democrats are cowards, traitors, liars and fiends.
Put Bill and Hillary at the top of that list.

Democrats prefer to give aid and comfort to those who would rob, rape and murder us
Just this morning I saw Jimmy Carter talking about Iraq and terrorists and he said we have to, "love those who hate us."

Democrats believe that every day is April 15th
I'll never forget the day congress passed Clinton's biggest tax hike in history and the Dems danced in the aisles.
77 posted on 03/25/2007 6:40:02 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Hardastarboard; Darkwolf377; philman_36
Both of you wrote excellent replies to this thread. Kudos to both of you.

Tell it to Phil, he seems to want to serve as defense attorney for any number of our domestic traitors.

But thanks for the kind words.
78 posted on 03/25/2007 6:46:07 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: advance_copy
re: your Post #3. Very well said.

I have come to loath these people.

79 posted on 03/25/2007 6:49:36 AM PDT by Gritty (It's not the planes, the tanks, the men, the body armor. It's the political will. - Mark Steyn)
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To: jazusamo

Because they DESPISE BUSH!


80 posted on 03/25/2007 6:51:28 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her Phoniness is Genuine!!!)
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To: mkjessup
Tell it to Phil, he seems to want to serve as defense attorney for any number of our domestic traitors.
Just popping the bubbles of hyperbole you're blowing.
81 posted on 03/25/2007 7:00:23 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: jazusamo
There is a real simple reason why the Democrats Leadership is so desperate to manufacture defeat in Iraq.

Victory in Iraq demonstrates conclusively that the Democrat Leadership, the left over remnants of the 1960s Radical "Anti War" movement, have been wrong their whole political lives. They were wrong to oppose Vietnam in their youth, wrong to oppose Reagan defeat of the Soviet Union, wrong to oppose this war.

Their whole lives have been a reckless exercise in self absorbed arrogance and hubris. They have spent their entire lives screaming simplistic silly slogans about how they feel the world should work. The victory being achieved in Iraq right now proves them wrong. Wrong to have opposed Vietnam and wrong in everything since then.

Conceding victory on Iraq to Bush and the Republicans would require the Democrats to admit their whole view on how to conduct International Relations is wrong and has always been wrong. Rather then EVER admit to being wrong on anything the titanic egos that run the Democrat Congress will do everything in their power to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
82 posted on 03/25/2007 7:07:33 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
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To: Tut; All

I have not read the letter. Thank you very much for the website.

Somewhat related, I found this to be a very interesting read this weekend...

http://www.islam-watch.org/NoSharia/PreventEuropeIslamization6.htm

Many thanks to NoSharia.


83 posted on 03/25/2007 7:22:50 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: jazusamo

Democrats don't crave defeat.
They are fighting a war for world government and socialism.
The enemy just happens to be Freedom and the USA.


84 posted on 03/25/2007 7:25:52 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: mkjessup

No witty rejoinder or did I hit too close to home?


85 posted on 03/25/2007 7:29:02 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; LS; leadpenny; mo; Phsstpok; rodguy911; linux07ster; george76
It is much worse than that. It is frightening/fascinating/unbelievable. Rahm is my congressman and lives in my neighborhood. He is a very effective politician, a Clinton operative, whatever that means.

I did a google search on the fallowing: Rahm Emanuel $18 million dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein

I only go into the cached version since it makes the searches so much easier. If you look at the New Editor, dated May 4, 2005 you will find the following:

"Chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Rahm Emanuel (IL) reported a net worth of at least $9 million, with annual income in interest and dividends of almost $400,000 per year. (Rep. Emanuel, who made almost $10 million in 2002, accumulated the bulk of his net worth between 1999-2002 after serving in the Clinton Administration, when, with no experience in the field, he was hired as an investment banker at Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein. There is nothing illegal in this, as many trade-off of previous government contacts and reap big rewards. Besides, benefiting from politics seems to run in Emanuel's family: his brother Ari was filmmaker Michael Moore's agent for the movie "Fahrenheit 9/11.")"
86 posted on 03/25/2007 7:29:31 AM PDT by Chgogal (Vote Al Qaeda. Vote Democrat.)
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To: jazusamo; Darkwolf377; Cannoneer No. 4; leadpenny; Mo1; Phsstpok; george76; Grampa Dave; LS
It is confirmed Rahm Emanual's brother Ari was agent to Micheal Moore's F 9/11

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/does-aris-mom-have-a-secret-recipe/

Does Ari's Mom Have A Secret Recipe?
87 posted on 03/25/2007 7:37:34 AM PDT by Chgogal (Vote Al Qaeda. Vote Democrat.)
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To: Mo1
I meant to ping you. You inspired me to do the search. Thank you.
88 posted on 03/25/2007 7:38:31 AM PDT by Chgogal (Vote Al Qaeda. Vote Democrat.)
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To: philman_36; All
No witty rejoinder or did I hit too close to home?

Not at all Phil, I just didn't want to take up your valuable time from preparing to defend treasonous scumbags and journalists, all of which I'm sure can count on you as a true friend.
89 posted on 03/25/2007 7:46:51 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: Chgogal
I'll bet Emanual has lots of "family" ties ... if ya know what I mean

Might explain why they are having so many Dem conferences in Vegas these days
90 posted on 03/25/2007 7:48:39 AM PDT by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: mkjessup
There you go with your hyperbole again. Let some air out of that bubble.

What is the deal with "All". Is that a cry for help?

91 posted on 03/25/2007 7:55:32 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: mkjessup

BTW, hyperbole is defined as - extravagant exaggeration.


92 posted on 03/25/2007 7:57:00 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Chgogal

Thanks.

Rahm Emanuel is making millions by pandering to the stupid liberals. Like the Clintons, he says one thing but does he opposite.


93 posted on 03/25/2007 8:01:40 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: philman_36
There you go with your hyperbole again. Let some air out of that bubble. What is the deal with "All". Is that a cry for help?

You know Phil, I'm beginning to think you've got a fixation on me. Maybe you need a few tokes to mellow you out?

And don't worry about who I post to, be it you, or be it "all", that's my perogative and you don't have a damn thing to say about it.
94 posted on 03/25/2007 8:13:32 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: jazusamo

Its not the politicians so much that digust me. Its the endless hordes of libtards on blogs who celebrate every bad event that happens to the United States while downplaying every good event.


95 posted on 03/25/2007 8:13:44 AM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: jazusamo
The Democrats do not want America defeated, they just want the threats to America strengthened and institutionalized. It is in their interests to make sure that there is a Booggey Man out there to ensure rationale and support for the bigger government and personal powers necessary to protect us from it. Defeating our enemies diminishes the prize.
96 posted on 03/25/2007 8:15:02 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: jazusamo
What is this obsession that liberals have with seeing America destroyed?

The goal of the left is a one world Marxist secular humanist government with them in control of the world. A strong pro individualist pro capitalist United States is their worst enemy. Even worse than Muslims.

97 posted on 03/25/2007 8:21:16 AM PDT by mjp (I don't want to live in Mexico, Marxico, or Muslimico. I want limited government and lower taxes.)
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To: CyberAnt
That's why we have the hate-Bush all the time garbage. And .. frankly .. I'm pretty sick of it.

Well said, as am I and many others...It's gotten really old.

98 posted on 03/25/2007 8:21:49 AM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: jazusamo
And why don't they have at least some modicum of pride about the greatest nation the world has ever produced?

They know in their bones that they, and people like themselves had absolutely nothing to do with America's greatness.

99 posted on 03/25/2007 8:22:02 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Darkwolf377

Well said, I couldn't add a thing.


100 posted on 03/25/2007 8:24:02 AM PDT by JayAr36
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