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Blair convenes Cobra team as crisis in Iran escalates
scotsman.com ^ | 25th March 2007 | BRIAN BRADY

Posted on 03/25/2007 5:17:55 AM PDT by Dog

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This just went bigtime...
1 posted on 03/25/2007 5:17:56 AM PDT by Dog
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To: Dog
the diplomats and the politicians were acutely aware that Tehran has built a foreign policy on disregarding diplomatic niceties.

Ah the British penchant for understatement, there's really nothing quite like it.

L

2 posted on 03/25/2007 5:22:51 AM PDT by Lurker (Calling islam a religion is like calling a car a submarine.)
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To: Dog
"There is nothing to be gained in provoking a confrontation, because that would be playing into their hands. But neither should we let them have it all their way. We tried that before and we're still trying to get our kit back."

What a spineless uttering.

3 posted on 03/25/2007 5:23:31 AM PDT by Glenn (Annoy a RudyBot...Think for yourself.)
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To: Dog

it may be this type of incident which forces the US and Britain to finally take off the gloves and whip these peoples a**es..enough is enough..


4 posted on 03/25/2007 5:23:59 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (Never argue with an idiot..they'll bring you down to their level, then beat you with experience..)
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To: Glenn

"What a spineless uttering."

Tells the tale, doesn't it?


5 posted on 03/25/2007 5:25:41 AM PDT by mutley
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To: Dog

Time to start seizing Iran's oil tankers.


6 posted on 03/25/2007 5:25:52 AM PDT by Normal4me
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To: Dog

This went nowhere. The Iranians calculated that the British would not do anything other than talk, and they are correct.


7 posted on 03/25/2007 5:26:37 AM PDT by Pox (Just say NO to RINO Rudy!)
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To: Dog

I truly hope you're correct. It's one thing not to make a big deal out of little deals...it's another thing entirely not to make a big deal out of big deals. The longer the west allows itself to be blackmailed, the surer becomes it's demise.


8 posted on 03/25/2007 5:27:01 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Dog
Iran did it because of the Security Council sanctions.
9 posted on 03/25/2007 5:29:24 AM PDT by Nextrush ( Chris Matthews Band: "I get high....I get high.....I get high.....McCain......")
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To: Dog

Why isn't the USA involved? Weren't the Brits acting under a US regional commander?
Start sinking Iranian naval vessels. No civilian casualties that way. There must be a Brit or US sub in the area.


10 posted on 03/25/2007 5:29:26 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: Dog
The Commander frantically radios to the 'top brass' as he sees this unfold before his eyes...

..the 'top brass' say...'Hold your fire'...

..WHY?

WHY allow this to happen without a fight????????

I can't imagine American forces allowing this to happen before their eyes and not try to stop it.

And I mean that as no disservice to the Brits, I really don't.

I am quite surprised they allowed this?

11 posted on 03/25/2007 5:29:36 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: Normal4me

The United States should immediately bomb and destroy Iran's oil pipelines, shutting off their supply of money in the process, wrecking their economy if they don't meet our demands. Imagine that! We demand!
These tin-horned dictators seem to forget that the United States has the power to vaporize their countries in about one hour. They need to be physically reminded.


12 posted on 03/25/2007 5:30:40 AM PDT by pleikumud
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To: Dog
I'm also glad to read the definition of COBRA.

I thought it was some super force like our DELTA guys and wondered why they openly announced this.

13 posted on 03/25/2007 5:31:06 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: Normal4me

Time to plant the Union Jack and/or Stars and Stripes on Kargh Island. They want to mess with a Navy, let's show them the Navies that are waiting off shore.


14 posted on 03/25/2007 5:31:07 AM PDT by Bulldawg Fan
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To: Dog

I guess we'll see now what Tony Blair is made of.


15 posted on 03/25/2007 5:31:22 AM PDT by veronica (You hate Rudy. I hate the terrorists.)
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To: Normal4me
Time to start seizing Iran's oil tankers.

That would get their attention.

16 posted on 03/25/2007 5:31:22 AM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Pox

I fear you're right..the left has infiltrated everywhere to the point that they're attempting to negotiate with people who have no interest in negotiation, but instead will keep committing more and more acts of war while the west continually gives in..


17 posted on 03/25/2007 5:32:25 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (Never argue with an idiot..they'll bring you down to their level, then beat you with experience..)
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To: Dog
Top level COBRA is an acronym for Cabinet Office Briefing Room A, where its meetings are held.

"Send in Commander Bond, Miss Moneypenney".

18 posted on 03/25/2007 5:32:32 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Islam is the non-dissolving flavah bomb in the melting pot of civilization.)
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To: Guenevere

We and GB are both playing a game with Iran that we can't win because they are following the rules of the low road and we are taking the high road. Sometimes you just have to drop some bombs to make a point like Ronnie did with Libya.


19 posted on 03/25/2007 5:33:02 AM PDT by omega4179 (Unless you're telling me that John Edwards is gay....)
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To: Glenn

""There is nothing to be gained in provoking a confrontation, because that would be playing into their hands."
Indeed you are correct sir. It also says a lot about our gutless quotient as well.


20 posted on 03/25/2007 5:33:24 AM PDT by DogBarkTree (The United States failure to act against Iran will be seen as weakness throughout the Muslim world.)
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To: Guenevere

Maybe to avoid an escalation and war


21 posted on 03/25/2007 5:33:27 AM PDT by thomas16
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To: Guenevere
The response to the inquiry, which had been immediately patched through to Ministry of Defence headquarters in Whitehall, was to hold fire.

They really stepped on it, did'nt they?

22 posted on 03/25/2007 5:35:13 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [This is some nasty...])
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To: Guenevere

Guennie we are all wondering why.


23 posted on 03/25/2007 5:35:43 AM PDT by Dog ( Residing somewhere in Eeyore's Gloomy Place...)
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To: pleikumud
Are you for real, you obviously want world war 3, you mustn't have children that would be eligible for draft in a few years. I just love all this chest pounding.
24 posted on 03/25/2007 5:35:45 AM PDT by thomas16
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you obviously want world war 3

You're a real drama queen, aren't you?

Get those emotions in check before you hurt yourself.

25 posted on 03/25/2007 5:36:52 AM PDT by Glenn (Annoy a RudyBot...Think for yourself.)
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To: TADSLOS
"Send in Commander Bond, Miss Moneypenney."

If that were only possible.
26 posted on 03/25/2007 5:37:08 AM PDT by opticks
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To: Dog
As the crew members were surrounded in their two rubber dinghies, the Cornwall's commander, Commodore Nick Lambert, frantically radioed back to his own top brass for instructions.

The response to the inquiry, which had been immediately patched through to Ministry of Defence headquarters in Whitehall, was to hold fire.

The order to show restraint has been observed throughout the forces and the British government in the 48 hours since, but it is unclear how long both sides will be able to maintain control.


How can they say such a thing?

To the British press and government: "Both sides maintain control"???? The Iranians took control of your mates! They broke that restraint from the very beginning!!! Your skipper stood by and passed the buck (I'm sure under orders) upstaris when while he watched his own men be attacked! Your higher ups let it be so. Now you want to spend perhaps millions of pounds convening government resources to "confront" the Iranians?

I'm sorry, but the timne to confront them was when the whole thing started. HMS Cornwall could have, should have stopped it then!

27 posted on 03/25/2007 5:37:14 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: omega4179

"We and GB are both playing a game with Iran that we can't win because they are following the rules of the low road and we are taking the high road. Sometimes you just have to drop some bombs to make a point like Ronnie did with Libya."

We don't have a "Ronnie" around today to lead us........


28 posted on 03/25/2007 5:37:37 AM PDT by MrLee
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To: omega4179

No need for bombs. Bombs may leave civilian casualties for the MSM to whine about. Iran has a navy. Start sinking it.


29 posted on 03/25/2007 5:38:14 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: Dog

Sure, sure. Let's establish a dialogue./s


30 posted on 03/25/2007 5:38:22 AM PDT by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: Dog

The Cobra team? Aren't those the guys who wear the blue spandex and run around shouting 'COBRA!', all the while randomly shooting their guns? He should call the G.I. Joe team instead. They are much more effective.


31 posted on 03/25/2007 5:38:44 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: Dog

But seriously - England is a member of NATO. Does that mean anything?


32 posted on 03/25/2007 5:40:39 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: Dog
To be honest I cannot see this escalating much further. There will probably be some humiliating mock trial/confession for the media to boost internal morale in Iran, then they will be released.

There isn't a snowsball chance of the UK or US launching a operation to rescue them, as they've probably been seperated and are being held in various unknown bases in the capital. Plus, there is no political will to issue a military ultimatum.

The Iranian's will maximise the potential from the propaganda then claim the moral victory by eventually releasing them.

33 posted on 03/25/2007 5:40:59 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: thomas16

What should the West do if Iran calls our bluff and executes these fine sailors as a show of force?

Throw a State funeral (If the bodies are even returned) and continue to smile and talk to Iran and "her allies".


34 posted on 03/25/2007 5:41:28 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: maquiladora
The Iranian's will maximise the potential from the propaganda then claim the moral victory by eventually releasing them.

Well, if that's all this is about, no big deal, eh?

35 posted on 03/25/2007 5:42:20 AM PDT by Glenn (Annoy a RudyBot...Think for yourself.)
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To: maquiladora

Right now it's a game of diplomacy but if harm comes to the prisoners it will be telling what the response is.


36 posted on 03/25/2007 5:45:35 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Dog

I wonder how Mrs. Bill would handle this


37 posted on 03/25/2007 5:50:29 AM PDT by reefdiver (The sheriff of Nottingham collected taxes on behalf of the common good)
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To: Glenn

thomas16 sounds like a Democrat = defeatist, afraid


38 posted on 03/25/2007 5:50:32 AM PDT by pleikumud
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To: thomas16

Iran doesn't have what it takes to start a world war we would end them in a week just like all the rest.


39 posted on 03/25/2007 5:50:45 AM PDT by omega4179 (Unless you're telling me that John Edwards is gay....)
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To: thomas16

A military confrontation with Iran is just about an absolute certainty. Wouldn't it be better to fight them now while we have the upper hand, rather than fight them a decade from now when they have nukes, and we no longer have a comparative advantage?


40 posted on 03/25/2007 5:52:04 AM PDT by bw17
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To: reefdiver

She would make a feckless speech, calling on the "international community" (which doesn't exist) to do something.


41 posted on 03/25/2007 5:52:23 AM PDT by pleikumud
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To: maquiladora
I can already tell that the Brits are gonna make a trade. Already on the BBC it is not a headline. They are talking about the slave trade, EU and other crap. The MOD wants this to go quietly into the night and then they will make a trade.
42 posted on 03/25/2007 5:53:38 AM PDT by Dacb (No winter lasts forever; no spring skips its turn.)
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To: reefdiver

If you're talking Mrs. Bill Clinton, then probably the same way Jimmy Carter "handled" the first Iranian hostage crisis.


43 posted on 03/25/2007 5:55:11 AM PDT by conserveababe (A wise man (or woman) knows much and says little. A fool knows little and says much.)
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"There is nothing to be gained in provoking a confrontation, because that would be playing into their hands"

With that attitude I suppose this will be resolved by begging for help from London's radical mullahs instead of telling Tehran to release them immediately or suffer the consequences. They need Maggie Thatcher.

44 posted on 03/25/2007 5:55:21 AM PDT by Reagan is King (Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the people doing it)
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Regardless of whether you view it as a 'big deal' or not, the outcome is probably going to be the same, i.e. a rerun of 2004 - humiliation followed by release. It was a preplanned operation by the RG to retaliate against moves against the RG's operations in Iraq & to boost internal support for the regime. They picked UK forces because they knew the would not fight back and their position is to always de-escalate in this type of situation.


45 posted on 03/25/2007 5:55:54 AM PDT by maquiladora
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NOPE...it is for real...what they have done is a clean distraction...they have distracted the media from the NUKES and uranium and have turned this to HOSTAGES. As long as they have a distraction that they can manipulate...they control the news, and pull the strings and have a made for tv puppet show with the Tony Blair being the main puppet.

Next turn of events...Iran will cut off supplies of oil to the US by gumming up the Straights of Hormuz (sp) and will sell there product over land to China, India etc. So the US if were to EVER bomb the oil supplies in Iran, it will be perceived as a strike on the world, not just Iran.

Officially touch and go...this capture has 15 lives in limbo...they certainly have been gaining good knowledge about our technology they keep kidnapping with the boats...and some day and maybe soon...don't be surprised when a British boat approaches a US vessel and we then find out that suicide rag heads made a surprise visit to our troops and they actually use our bombed vessel to clog the water ways.

The next war or terror will be on the water ways...if the terrorists can sink enough ships, in major waterways, they will have a bigger desvasting impact on the world then a war fought on land...they can control the flow of oil.

46 posted on 03/25/2007 5:58:23 AM PDT by antivenom (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!)
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To: rollo tomasi
Oh there's no doubt that things would change rapidly if they were killed or tortured. But that's not going to happen. The Iranians don't want a a military responce from the West. They'll use this situation to their advantage while still keeping their asses safe.

Now if they were US forces, things would be a lot different. But that's why they picked UK marines. They're playing it safe. Easy target, satisfactory propaganda and humiliation. No fear of retaliation.

47 posted on 03/25/2007 6:02:02 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: Dacb

Make a trade with what?? What if the U.S. holds all the Iranian prisoners? You think we would just roll over like that? We hold all the bargaining chips, we might give them back and allow the trade, but I'd bet Bush gets some assurances from Blair as to UK cooperation with any future conflict with Iran


48 posted on 03/25/2007 6:02:33 AM PDT by jhpigott
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To: Dog
The smaller-scale precedent, the taking of six British marines and two sailors on the same waterway in June 2004, was a painful lesson.

Another more recent datapoint to consider: the taking of 3 Israeli soldiers and killing of others, on clearly Israeli soil, last Summer... that led to a few weeks of a mini war. Although not carried thru to their release, it was the correct response to the Iranian (via Hezbolla/Hamas) provocation.

49 posted on 03/25/2007 6:03:59 AM PDT by C210N (Bush SPIED, Terrorists DIED!)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

"There is alway's hope"....EST


50 posted on 03/25/2007 6:04:55 AM PDT by gathersnomoss
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