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Blair convenes Cobra team as crisis in Iran escalates
scotsman.com ^ | 25th March 2007 | BRIAN BRADY

Posted on 03/25/2007 5:17:55 AM PDT by Dog

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To: Dog

Gee, I wonder what team they will have to assemble when Iran has nukes.


151 posted on 03/25/2007 8:10:45 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: maquiladora
Now if they were US forces, things would be a lot different.

Really?

Remember the Pueblo?

Remember the recon plane forced down in China?

152 posted on 03/25/2007 8:14:33 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Dog
Tony Blair is set to up the ante: the plight of the Shatt al-Arab 15 is officially a crisis and he will need the Cobra team to handle it.

Top level COBRA is an acronym for Cabinet Office Briefing Room A, where its meetings are held.

LOL

COBRA my a$$.. hognosed , rolls over and plays dead.

153 posted on 03/25/2007 8:18:20 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Dog; potlatch; ntnychik; devolve; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; gonzo

Oh, okay, you win, we're provoked.

154 posted on 03/25/2007 8:26:29 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Dog
As the crew members were surrounded in their two rubber dinghies, the Cornwall's commander, Commodore Nick Lambert, frantically radioed back to his own top brass for instructions.

Big mistake.

The response to the inquiry, which had been immediately patched through to Ministry of Defence headquarters in Whitehall, was to hold fire.

Second mistake.

Where's Horatio Hornblower when you need him?

155 posted on 03/25/2007 8:27:15 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: mutley
I wonder if Jimmuh ever lets this notion slip into his thinking about the current world situation?

Jimmuh - thinking

Are you sure those two words belong in the same sentence?

156 posted on 03/25/2007 8:29:01 AM PDT by Condor 63
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To: Alas Babylon!

"I'm sorry, but the timne to confront them was when the whole thing started. HMS Cornwall could have, should have stopped it then!"

Spot on, as they say! The Commander of the Cornwall, had the power to respond, and he is most assuredley kicking himself for making the phone call instead of keeping his eye on the ball. There is a time for action, and you can't get it back. He could have called about 30 min later and said " Sorry sir, I had to act to protect our troops, and those Iranies won't be bothering us again." Even if fired, he would have held high respect in his retirement.


157 posted on 03/25/2007 8:34:55 AM PDT by AmericanDave (It's like Deja Vu, all over again............ Yogi Berra)
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To: Lurker
Ah the British penchant for understatement, there's really nothing quite like it.

Understatement is good. Underaction, less so.

158 posted on 03/25/2007 8:34:59 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: MrLee

We could clone him. And probably should.

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We don't have a "Ronnie" around today to lead us........


159 posted on 03/25/2007 8:36:38 AM PDT by XenaLee
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To: mutley

mutley wrote:
I wonder if Jimmuh ever lets this notion slip into his thinking about the current world situation?"

Didn't you notice in his latest self-serving book, most of the Carter Center Staff resigned in protest over his outrageous statements? Even his closest advisors can't penetrate his pea brain!


160 posted on 03/25/2007 8:42:13 AM PDT by AmericanDave (It's like Deja Vu, all over again............ Yogi Berra)
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To: pleikumud

Roger that.


161 posted on 03/25/2007 8:42:22 AM PDT by FReepapalooza
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To: Dog

"As the crew members were surrounded in their two rubber dinghies, the Cornwall's commander, Commodore Nick Lambert, frantically radioed back to his own top brass for instructions. "


There's the problem with this episode. A front line commander with limited permission/ability to react to a hostile situation.


162 posted on 03/25/2007 8:42:42 AM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: BuffaloJack

"Why isn't the USA involved?"

Because McCain has already stated that there's nothing we can do...


163 posted on 03/25/2007 8:44:47 AM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
it may be this type of incident which forces the US and Britain to finally take off the gloves and whip these peoples a**es

Nice thought...not going to happen though. Nothing short of Iran using "the big fire" will cause that to happen. The Prime Minister and the President are too politically weakened by the rampant pacifism infecting their populations - and powering their internal political enemies - to be able to take any aggressive action. They have no recourse but "diplomacy", because their internal opposition is too powerful to allow anyting else, which is why Iran feels completely free to do pretty much whatever they want knowing the response will be nothing but a "harshly worded" statement that must be cleared through numerous other countries.

We are neutered...and its the flaming pacifism of our own population that did it.

164 posted on 03/25/2007 8:48:37 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Chuck Dent
An interesting theory.

And one I might agree with both in G.B and the U.S.

Many willing to fight die while those that aren't slink off for the next of their 1000 deaths.

Unfortunately those odds are not in the favor of the warrior class.

165 posted on 03/25/2007 8:48:48 AM PDT by Condor 63
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To: thomas16

"you obviously want world war 3"

Are you afraid, Thomas?


166 posted on 03/25/2007 8:48:49 AM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: Pete

You gotta be kidding. Right? Most of the leftist wussies (that's approximately half of Americans) couldn't care LESS if members of our military are being held hostage. And they could care even less than that about the British military. They'll cave and negotiate with the extremists until every one of us is either in slave camps or headless.

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That means the Iranians just voided their greatest asset - Western peace advocates in the media and on the left.


167 posted on 03/25/2007 8:49:58 AM PDT by XenaLee
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To: Dog
Sheesh, Iran's nutjob is now has officially won the "DumbA$$ Award" in my book. That's just what you want, to have British Special Forces to have you and your country in THEIR crosshairs.
168 posted on 03/25/2007 8:50:54 AM PDT by Chgogal (Vote Al Qaeda. Vote Democrat.)
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To: Dog

Now Iran has Great Britain pi$$ed off!

What were they thinking?


169 posted on 03/25/2007 8:51:44 AM PDT by airborne (Airborne! Ranger! Combat Tested Vietnam Veteran! DUNCAN HUNTER !!)
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To: pleikumud

The event horizon includes China.


170 posted on 03/25/2007 8:52:55 AM PDT by RightWhale (Treaty rules;commerce droolz; Repeal the Treaty)
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To: Dog
Those Iranians are in trouble now!


171 posted on 03/25/2007 8:53:44 AM PDT by Doohickey (Rudolph Giuliani: metro-American)
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To: Chuck Dent

I agree with you in your assessment of the watery nature of the residual gene pool in the population extant in Great Britain...the same can be said for Europe.

However, I would add...as I mentioned in another thread....it was not only the death of the warriors in World War I, but also World War II.

You can't have two such wars with such high mortality within 20 years of each other without it affecting the surviving gene pool. It was hardly even a generation apart. Killed the fathers and then killed the surviving sons. Emasculated the entire population.

Not only did the warriors get killed off, but even those that left offspring behind - the warriors did not come back to raise those offspring. The warriors' progeny was left behind to be raised by traumatized women and the government.

To further exacerbate the situattion - both the high rate of abortions as well as the influx of an alien ideology (actually invited in) to fill the labor gap left by the dead warrirors), can't help but add to the problems.

So, in addition to the death of the warriors and its affect on the gene pool, a fifth column resides in the countries of Europe, the UK, ready to fill the vaccuum.

We are not far behind. Yes, the warriors here are still alive, but our policies are heavily influenced by weak kneed emasculated Europe and the UK. The UN of course, which also unfortunately influences our policies, is dominated by both the "weak knees" and the alien ideology.

How many warriors have been aborted here?

How many of our warriors are ridiculed here?

Even the word "warrior" is considered outdated.

Well, try to defend the country and culture without them. Not possible. We need women to make a home/country/culture and a man to defend that home/country/culture.


172 posted on 03/25/2007 8:55:50 AM PDT by Basheva
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To: Dog

I really believe that Iran already has some type of nukes that was sold to them by Russia or North Korea or they are just stupid as hell. How can a country like Iran have such nerve.


173 posted on 03/25/2007 8:56:45 AM PDT by MATSEVAH
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To: thomas16

WWIII has already been started. Open your eyes.

Dang moonbats...


174 posted on 03/25/2007 8:56:56 AM PDT by Paul_N_Lakeside
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To: babygene
Because McCain has already stated that there's nothing we can do...

Hilarious. I was hoping someone would notice his bold remark. Mr. Courage!
175 posted on 03/25/2007 8:57:06 AM PDT by Vinomori
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To: Guenevere; Godzilla; Oorang; HipShot; Cindy
..the 'top brass' say...'Hold your fire'.....WHY?

My guess is that it would be impossible for a ship of war to open fire at that range with the enemy in such close proximity to friendlies without opening up the probability of suffering casualties from friendly fire. Even if the Royal Marines were on board, a sniper shot wouldn't be enough and raking them with automatic weapons fire would be too much.

WHY allow this to happen without a fight????????

Indeed. As an example, when I as an NRA Certified Firearms Instructor give a class to a woman for her FL CCW permit, I always tell her it's never necessary to move to be robbed. Such movement to a place of privacy for the attacker is ALWAYS bad for the prisoner. Never, ever get into a car with an attacker, just because he seems to have the advantage! You'll wind up raped or dead or both. I hope that's not the case, here. There is a female among the captured. Does this demonstrate why we don't like the idea of women in direct combat positions? Sure it's easy to be progressive and sophisticated and certainly women can do the job...but there is a downside as a society when we contemplate the fate of female combatants if captured. I think this was the result of poor planning for the security phase of the operation. They didn't provide a means of resistance to any sort of assault force. Nor was there anything done to insure they had access to indirect fire as a screen. If they had a helicopter gunship nearby there would have been some precision long range fire available. All that would have been needed is the will to employ it, which still doesn't seem to have been the case.

I can't imagine American forces allowing this to happen before their eyes and not try to stop it.

It has happened in history. Remember the U.S.S. Pueblo? Taken by the North Koreans during the height of the cold war? Then there was the attack by North Korean forces against a tree cutting expedition into the DMZ in 1978. The Koreans HACKED to death with machetes and axes a tree cutting party of Americans within full view of American forces all loaded up and ready to SLAY. We did nothing. Let 'em die. It's all about the ROE or Rules of Engagement. It has to do with the spine of the administration in charge at the time and that was IIRC, the Presidency of JIMMY "The Peanut" Carter.

176 posted on 03/25/2007 8:57:11 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Guenevere
WHY allow this to happen without a fight????????

Because if they acted like soldiers, somebody may have gotten hurt!

177 posted on 03/25/2007 8:57:50 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: Dog
The response to the inquiry...was to hold fire.

There's your problem right there. My sympathies to the Captain - if a single one of these sailors dies in Iranian captivity he's going to re-live those events every single day for the rest of his life.

178 posted on 03/25/2007 8:59:23 AM PDT by Doohickey (Rudolph Giuliani: metro-American)
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To: Dog
The response to the inquiry...was to hold fire.

There's your problem right there. My sympathies to the Captain - if a single one of these sailors dies in Iranian captivity he's going to re-live those events every single day for the rest of his life.

179 posted on 03/25/2007 8:59:23 AM PDT by Doohickey (Rudolph Giuliani: metro-American)
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To: thomas16
If someone isn't willing to agree with you bunch of yahoos they must be a Democrat

Or, in your case, worse. A totally dishonest coward.
180 posted on 03/25/2007 9:02:49 AM PDT by Vinomori
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To: ExSoldier

I thought the tree-cutting incident was in 1976? I remember our TI telling us in basic training that we might go to war with NK over it.


181 posted on 03/25/2007 9:05:35 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!
Not '76 for sure. It was either 1977 or 1978. I know because I was at an ROTC camp each year and I got a letter from a friend not in ROTC about the incident and reflecting on my timing re my desire to pursue an army commission.
182 posted on 03/25/2007 9:08:56 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
My guess is that it would be impossible for a ship of war to open fire at that range with the enemy in such close proximity to friendlies without opening up...

I see this as a tactical decision to be made by the the senior officer present. Whitehall would have no insight as to what weapon systems could or could not be brought to bear in this situation.

183 posted on 03/25/2007 9:09:45 AM PDT by Doohickey (Rudolph Giuliani: metro-American)
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To: thomas16

You sound scared.


184 posted on 03/25/2007 9:10:46 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: Scott from the Left Coast

you're correct, I just had one of those fleeting moments when I wished adults were in charge..:(


185 posted on 03/25/2007 9:11:25 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (Never argue with an idiot..they'll bring you down to their level, then beat you with experience..)
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To: Dog
I'm sure the SURRENDER PARTY firmly in power now in the US legislature strongly disapproves of the British heavy-handed diplomatic efforts in this situation. After all, the British should not have been in Iraqi or Iranian waters. They didn't giiiive peeeeace a chaaaance. /sarcasm
186 posted on 03/25/2007 9:11:38 AM PDT by CurlyBill (Democrats: Weak on defense, soft on crime, tough on your wallet)
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To: Dog

If the Iranians can hold uniformed military personnel, bearing recognizable insignia, operating under a formal command structure, carrying out a legal mission sanctioned by the United Nations, etc, as "spies;" then what's to stop Britain from detaining every and any Iranian official they can get their hands on, diplomats included, as "spies"?


187 posted on 03/25/2007 9:12:15 AM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: Alas Babylon!
I just did a google and actually, you're correct. August 18th 1976. I wonder if there was a subsequent incident there in 1977 or 78? I seem to vaguely remember that the North Koreans later downed one of our helicopters flying along the DMZ and this was the incident which my buddy wrote of.
188 posted on 03/25/2007 9:14:00 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: thomas16
...this forum used to have a more intellectual conversation about 5 years ago now all we have are abunch of chest thumping, bible thumping yahoos.

thomas16
Since Aug 20, 2004

189 posted on 03/25/2007 9:16:40 AM PDT by CurlyBill (Democrats: Weak on defense, soft on crime, tough on your wallet)
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To: Dog

can you say " telegraphing your punch?"


190 posted on 03/25/2007 9:20:52 AM PDT by sure_fine ( • not one to over kill the thought processâ„)
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To: BuffaloJack
Sink their fleet.
Every last pos that floats.
If a plane is in the air, divert it to Iraq or Gitmo.

Blockade that sandpit. Air & Sea. Nothing gets in or out of Iran until they apologize for the kidnappings, release the prisioners, and distribute free heating oil to any drug free family in Harlem who needs it. UK has their own oil and coal so they should receive money for what they need most.....improved dental care.
191 posted on 03/25/2007 9:22:09 AM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: spokeshave
multiple Fosterization

Ha, ha, ha! Good one.

192 posted on 03/25/2007 9:24:07 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs...nothing more than Bald Haired Hippies!)
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To: thomas16
"Are you for real, you obviously want world war 3, you mustn't have children that would be eligible for draft in a few years. I just love all this chest pounding."

Hey Thomas.....does the 16 after your name indicate your age?

It sure sounds like it.

193 posted on 03/25/2007 9:30:22 AM PDT by albee (The best thing you can do for the poor is.....not be one of them. - Eric Hoffer)
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To: pleikumud

And that something would be, of course, holding hands and singing Kumbaya.


194 posted on 03/25/2007 9:33:50 AM PDT by Codename - Ron Benjamin (I'm gonna sing the doom song now. Pre-emptive, multi-tasking, interrupt control!)
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To: Dog
"There is nothing to be gained in provoking a confrontation, because that would be playing into their hands." - British defence official

Bullsh/t. Iran has indenialbly already provoked the confrontation. The West's "it would be playing into their hands" excuse not to give Iran what it has coming is getting tired. ....and not surprisingly it appears to be encouraging them.

195 posted on 03/25/2007 9:35:08 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: rollo tomasi
What should the West do if Iran calls our bluff and executes these fine sailors as a show of force?

They won't be executed, and if they were it would be war.

196 posted on 03/25/2007 9:42:28 AM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Zeroisanumber
Read post #36. Iran is testing our limits and working us no doubt.

I was using a hypothetical situation towards the moonbat I was responding to.
197 posted on 03/25/2007 9:47:41 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Dog
Commodore Nick Lambert, frantically radioed back to his own top brass for instructions.

Hard to believe the CO had no discretion ?
A Nelsonian approach might have been better "What signal" etc.

198 posted on 03/25/2007 9:51:02 AM PDT by 1066AD
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To: Pete
given a blank check by the public

You should see comments in lefty UK papers - this is all a setup by US/UK to attack Iran for OIL, "Gulf of Tonkin" etc. Unbelievable.

199 posted on 03/25/2007 9:56:40 AM PDT by 1066AD
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To: Stultis

I was thinking the same thing. There is another thread where the Iranians are threatening to hold a trial and execute the 15 British soldiers. If they do that, then the 15 Iranians that do get rounded up by Britian should be executed, too.


200 posted on 03/25/2007 9:59:26 AM PDT by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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