Skip to comments.Blair convenes Cobra team as crisis in Iran escalates
Posted on 03/25/2007 5:17:55 AM PDT by Dog
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"Why were 15 British sailors sitting in dinghies?
How could they become surrounded by Iranian vessels?
Where was their mother ship and why would they allow the Iranians to leave with the sailors?"
Poor military planning.
Lack of cover and backup for boarding parties and their vessels.
Lack of existing standing orders REQUIRING the senior on-scene commander to protect his folks in whatever manner necessary.
Lack of a reaction plan to prevent enemy access to their port facilities after commiting this kind of aggression by destruction of those facilities if necessary.
Inexcusable lack of planning on the part of military leadership, especially since this exact same thing has happened before in the same waters.
I'd say that nails it square on...
Well, he goes on and on about chest thumping, yahoos and "having others fight the war" while he never gives any reason why we should not go after the Iranian regime. His is the policy of appeasement and weakness. You cannot negotiate or reason with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He will have to be addressed militarily and will probably have to be taken out.
What does Blair do?
Kiss Iranian arse?
Perhaps Blair should ask for a pair from the Iron Lady.
..... or a handful of well-place cruise missiles could torch a good portion of Iran's refining capacity, which would remind the Mullahs of how quickly and easily they can be returned to the 7th century. Iran's economy is already teetering, and they are desperate for more refining capacity (they have to import at least 40% of their refined petroleum products). Take out just 1 or 2 or 3 of Iran's 10 key refineries (and/or supporting pipelines) and they are immediately plunged into economic catastrophe...... major shortages and inflation, etc. The main danger (besides wimpy liberal "opinion" with much wailing and gnashing of teeth) is that it could swing the Iranian population toward a nationalist rallying cry with the loathsome Mullahocracy, which is currently immensely unpopular. Even Stalin was able to make himself a lot more popular (though the catastrophes for the USSR in summer 1941 were largely his fault) by using nationalism against the enemy.
Senior naval leadership involved in preparing or approving operational or contingency plans in that part of the world should have been "retired" by Saturday evening.
Just checked BBC and other British newspapers this evening for news on the kidnapping of these British sailors. It is absolutely amazing that you could read these papers and never know that this has happened unless you go to read some fine print. It seems that the British are so turned off on the war that they could care less about these servicemen. The Telegram one of the more conservative newspapers did have a story but even there they mentioned that never again should their nation be involved in trying to bring democracy to a part of the world that is not going to accept same and warned about any efforts to do the same for Iran.
Thought that readers on this website should know what is going on in the land of our chief ally. I personally believe that most of the rhetoric supporting this war came from Tony Blair not the US. If anything, GWB was bamboozled into to the attack on Saddam by the high flying idealism of Blair and now that ally is going to disappear from the scene within months leaving the US holding the bag.
"Just checked BBC and other British newspapers this evening for news on the kidnapping of these British sailors. It is absolutely amazing that you could read these papers and never know that this has happened unless you go to read some fine print. It seems that the British are so turned off on the war that they could care less about these servicemen."
A good leftist would call this supporting the troops. At least they are not burning them in effigy.
Don't dare question their patriotism.
These people (Rosie and her ilk) are nuts. The other thing that I find hard to understand is how Rosie, a failed, has-been comedienne, can somehow consider herself an expert on foreign policy. And to make it even more frightening, she apparently has an audience that believes her...
You'd never know this crisis was going on at all if you read the US press; the only place I'm seeing anything about it is here on FR, where people are gleaning little scraps from various sources.
As for Blair, I doubt that he talked GWB into anything with regard to Iraq. But whether he did or not, I honestly don't think the US would indulge in such idealistic plans again: no more attempting to conquer a country without any civilian damage, no more attempting to bring the blessings of democracy before the conquered citizens have a nice long period under martial law until they settle down, etc. And no more foggy ideas about Islam as a "religion of peace."
Don't confuse yourself. Bombing Iran would not be Iraq Part 2. It would be a merciless air campaign. Not a boot on the ground would ever be needed after we got through with them via sea and sky.
Roger that. It's "Tales of the Arabian Knights" over there. Always has been.
That would send a "message" as the political imbeciles are wont to repeatedly say.
But what if President Clinton is in charge?
If we just stop and think a minute or so about such a possiblity can one keep from vomiting up breakfast as well as last night's dinner?
Many (unfortunately) Americans are so freaking stupid that the possibility of this happening is the greatest threat that America has ever faced.
The confused gender "wife" of a serial rapist ex-governor of Arkansas travels up to New Yarkansas and gets elected senator in order to fulfill her perverted childhood fantasy. Just unbelievable!
In cases like this it is a mistake to try to rescue. Rescues are suicide missions. The correct approach is to hold the hostage taking country hostage. Start a 12 hour clock ticking... make it clear that Tehran will be a very unpleasant please when the twelve hours are up unless all of the hostages are out of Iran before the time expires. The message should be communicated privately to Iran's leaders.
how the mighty have fallen
No, time to lay a conventional weapon into downtown Qom. Show 'em you mean business.
Inasmuch as Denmark is also a Charter member nation, and it's sovereign territory was physically attcked last year over the "cartoon" thing, I guess you can only draw your own conclusion about Nato membership, even as I have done...
In some areas (the sanctity of life, for one), he is stronger than Reagan. One of those areas is in the appointment of SC justices. They are even and both wrong, IMO on immigration.
Just for the historical record, conservatives were down on Reagan at this point in his second term, and far beyond that.
They woke up eventually to what some of us already knew.........that Reagan was great.
Some day, those of you who are missing the boat on President Bush will wake up too.
And I promise not to say "I told you so" when you do. :)
Wheres Jessie Jackson when you need him? LMAO!!
Take your moralizing and use it as a suppository. Letting these tinpot dictators get whatever they want because of drama queens like you is how we got WWII. We need to stop this now before it becomes WWIII.
I know this will sound like an "Internet tough guy" post, but I mean it. Had I been commanding HMS Cornwall, I would have opened up on the Iranians with the 4.5 inch gun up forward, and if the brass wanted to try and court martial me when I got home, I guess I'd just have to suck it up.
Listen to me, and listen to me good, because you will take this as more chest thumping, but you better believe that I'm talking about stopping violence, not increasing it.
When a man, say a guy who is President of Iran, stands up and says, "World, I'd just like you to know that there's a whole country I'd like to wipe out, every man woman and child, make 'em dead as a door nail," there's only one appropriate and moral response from the world community. They should kill him before the day is out.
That's right, they should kill him. Any of the times this guy said he wanted to eliminate Israel, there should have been so many planes from so many air forces stacked up over his house with bombs that we had to send air traffic controllers in to make sure they didn't collide. We could have let them immulsify his terrorist ass alphabetically. "Algeria, you're cleared to roll in hot on the target. Mind the Albanian MiG climbing out over the rubble pile. Good day sir."
We sat around and picked our nose back in the Thirties when some crazed nutbar got ahold of a country and said he wanted to kill every Jew. You may be aware of the little conflict that resulted. They called it WWII. It only cost tens of millions of people.
We need to deal with this guy or your kids will be in a war. Or maybe they will have peace...because maybe they'll be jiahdi Muslims--bowing to the twisted moon god Ahmadinejad worships--and liking it.
If someone isn't willing to agree with you bunch of yahoos they must be a Democrat, this forum used to have a more intellectual conversation about 5 years ago now all we have are abunch of chest thumping, bible thumping yahoos.
That's funny...I joined this forum almost seven years ago and I don't remember any threads where people agreed we should all take crap from anti-Semites and let whole countries get wiped out. Maybe I was out of town that day. By the way, thanks for the slap against Christians...trust me sweetheart, nobody needs to hear the voice of God to get this one.
If you all want war so bad sign up! Go on over!
I did my bit when I was young and slim. Now I'm old and pudgy. But other young, slim men are willing to fight this one so your kids don't have to. And unlike you, they realize that when a man wants to kill little children for his god, he has no purpose on this earth other than as a range target.
We're trying to save your children, Israel's children, even Iran's children. We might fight a short war against military targets, or even just kill one guy, and stop a nuclear holocaust that would kill millions. If you can't figure that one out, take your broken moral compass and wander off somewhere out of the way of humans who have brains.
Oh, and be sure to read my tagline. It was written for the likes of you.
Actually, I think the kind of idolization (not that I've seen from you) of Reagan that goes on from some around here diminishes his true greatness.
But the point of what they are doing in mythologizing Reagan is to belittle the great man who now leads us.............and they don't hide it very well.
In Reagan's second term, there were plenty of conservatives who bashed Reagan mercilessly, but I was not one of them. His true greatness was always visible to those with eyes to see it.
The same is true with President George W. Bush. He is an honorable, courageous man and a great leader and my fellow conservatives will recognize that some day.
The pseudo-cons probably won't, but their opinion isn't worth a hill of beans.....
HMS Cornwall could have, should have stopped it then!
Are they new ?
They look good.
I don't think so. What's the old adage? Rattling a saber makes noise, drawing it does not...
As a previous post commented - "Spineless..." Totally wrong IMHO. Note the statement said something to the effect of not letting the Iranians have it all their way. For us Yanks, we have to remember that the British are far more understated and subtle than us. (for better or worse) Where we might say "Return our personnel, or else." the British say "...not have it all their way." The language may be different, but the intent and resolve behind it is not.
The Iranians would do well to remember a bit of US history... That part about "The British are coming, the British are coming!" ;-) Ask Argentina.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
Lol, no, I made them sometime back in different sizes too.
Each time Phil posts his 'Ahmadine-nutcase' I post them in reply!!
the brave freedom loving Iranians need to have their country back. The whackos have already declared war on the US and Britain...so to speak. They have supplied the bombs that have murdered over 170 of our service people. We should wipe out all of their military before they blow up one or more of our cities.
A war with Iran would not be a world war, and I dont see Russia or China jumping in. You are overreacting.
Iraq needs a navy
The response to the inquiry, which had been immediately patched through to Ministry of Defence headquarters in Whitehall, was to hold fire.
The Gutless British leadership...
England is Adrift..... a lamb to slaughter.
Cherrio! Wankers.... "Big Ears" is sipping his tea.
Ta Ta ! chin up ole-Boy!...theres a good fellow!
No 'Bullocks" to be found.