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Where Eagles dare, pacifists doctor and dupe (ANSWER & media exposed)
Canada Free Press ^ | 3-25-07 | Judi McLeod

Posted on 03/25/2007 2:13:26 PM PDT by smoothsailing

A fawning mainstream media

Where Eagles dare, pacifists doctor and dupe

By Judi McLeod

Sunday, March 25, 2007

My friend Jackie Gordon, who exposes anti-war ANSWER for their lies on the Internet, wants to know about pictures posted on their website that appear to be doctored.

As we all know by now, the ragtag, loose knit and lovable vets called The Gathering of Eagles changed history in Washington D.C. on March 17. Traveling in great numbers from far distances, they outnumbered ANSWER three to one--but a fawning mainstream media failed to report the facts, as usual taking the side of ANSWER.

Well, Jackie it is not the "doctored" that so much matters to me but the "duped".

In pictures from anti-war protests of late, I'm seeing more women turning out in burqas. I can't say for certain whether they are actually the women of the enemy, or university students who callously don the dress of the enemy in an effort to get straight to the heart of anyone who has a daughter or son fighting for freedom in harm's way. Has anyone noticed how the so-called "9/11 truthers" keep showing up at anti-war protests?......

(Excerpt) Read more at canadafreepress.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: answer; antiwar; bias; canada; canadafreepress; doctored; duped; fakephotos; gatheringofeagles; hottopic; libtards; mediabias; moonbats; pacifists; photos; washingtondc
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1 posted on 03/25/2007 2:13:27 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

A FReeper questioned that photo:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806246/posts


2 posted on 03/25/2007 2:17:46 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: smoothsailing

One of the rules of perspective is that colors become less bright the more distant something is from you, it creates depth in photos or painted pictures. In this photo the colors of signs at the back of the crowd appear as bright as those at the front. Its a pretty obvious photo shop job.


3 posted on 03/25/2007 2:19:31 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: LibFreeOrDie; Lady J USA 1981
Thanks LFOD!

Lady J, you'll like this! :)

4 posted on 03/25/2007 2:22:43 PM PDT by smoothsailing (http://www.gatheringofeagles.org/)
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To: smoothsailing; All

Well .. there was supposed to be about 8,000 of them .. and that picture doesn't look out of proportion for that amount of people.

The other thing .. look at some of the flags .. there were so many of them, surely one of them would be caught in any attempt to fatten the group. I searched and searched the picture, but I couldn't find any.

Also .. on the weekend of the march - there were all sorts of pictures of this same group posted by the GOE .. and it still looks about the same size to me.


5 posted on 03/25/2007 2:29:12 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("... first time in history the U.S. House has attempted to surrender via C-SPAN TV ...")
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To: smoothsailing

The more I hear of this woman, the more often I am inclined to read her column.

Keep it coming!


6 posted on 03/25/2007 2:32:36 PM PDT by Old Sarge (+ /_\)
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To: smoothsailing
It's so much easier to stand and scream anti-war slogans at a protest than it is to stand on the front lines in Iraq.

I like this lady, she says it like it is using plain old common sense.

7 posted on 03/25/2007 2:35:11 PM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: smoothsailing
Traveling in great numbers from far distances, they outnumbered ANSWER three to one--but a fawning mainstream media failed to report the facts, as usual taking the side of ANSWER.

Three to one? Wow! That gets bigger every time I read the story.

8 posted on 03/25/2007 2:46:56 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (Global Emergency!)
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To: smoothsailing
REMEMBER THIS PHOTO--It went around on the Net?

The appearance of the sergeant's sleeve has been altered in the Internet-circulated version to reflect the viewpoint that the U.S. military has shouldered a burden of global importance with little or no support from the countries (Russia, Germany, France) whose flags are pictured below the "DOING THE WORK OF" patch.

Well, this Judi McCloud is doing the work ALL U S "Journalists" SHOULD be doing!

9 posted on 03/25/2007 2:53:46 PM PDT by radar101 (Dream Team--Hunter&Thompson)
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To: Mr.Unique
U S Park Service Count--not GOE, not A N S W E R

Three to one? Wow! That gets bigger every time I read the story.

10 posted on 03/25/2007 2:55:49 PM PDT by radar101 (Dream Team--Hunter&Thompson)
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To: CyberAnt

If you go to the link of the original thread, however, there is a steepled church in the background, one that I never saw in DC or Arlington!


11 posted on 03/25/2007 2:56:04 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: Mr.Unique
U S Park Service Count--not GOE, not A N S W E R

Three to one? Wow! That gets bigger every time I read the story.

12 posted on 03/25/2007 2:58:35 PM PDT by radar101 (Dream Team--Hunter&Thompson)
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To: smoothsailing

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/judi032107.htm


13 posted on 03/25/2007 2:59:16 PM PDT by radar101 (Dream Team--Hunter&Thompson)
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To: radar101
That's another good article!
14 posted on 03/25/2007 3:21:04 PM PDT by smoothsailing (http://www.gatheringofeagles.org/)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

I was the one who tipped off Canada Free Press.


15 posted on 03/25/2007 3:22:35 PM PDT by Lady J USA 1981
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To: radar101
U S Park Service Count.

Source or link? The last I heard, the Park Service was out of the counting business.

16 posted on 03/25/2007 3:23:31 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (Global Emergency!)
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To: RaceBannon

Oh my, that's interesting! I'll check it out!


17 posted on 03/25/2007 3:25:15 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("... first time in history the U.S. House has attempted to surrender via C-SPAN TV ...")
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To: Mr.Unique
The numbers aren't important unless they're put in context. ANSWER claimed they'd have tens of thousands there, at best they had 5-8,000.

Gathering of Eagles had hoped to attract a thousand or so, and the actual turnout was a surprise to all of us. There have been various estimates for GOE, ranging from 15,000 to 50,000. It's hard to pin down, because we were located in many different areas around the memorials,Constitution Ave.,and the main speaker stage,etc.

18 posted on 03/25/2007 3:29:14 PM PDT by smoothsailing (http://www.gatheringofeagles.org/)
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To: radar101
And the Park Service was basically forbidden by Congress to make crowd estimates after controversies over its counts, especially after the Million Man March on Oct. 16, 1995. District and Capitol Police spokesmen followed the Park Service's lead.

You were saying?

19 posted on 03/25/2007 3:29:33 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (Global Emergency!)
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To: smoothsailing

They did a great job on the article. I read it this morning, I had a meeting to go so I didn't have time to post this myself. If Canada is willing to help expose their lies, why isn't America? Canada is probobly the most unlikely place to expose the truth, but kudos to Canada Free Press.


20 posted on 03/25/2007 3:39:56 PM PDT by Lady J USA 1981
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To: Lady J USA 1981
It is good, and I'm glad they did it. I'm also glad you tipped them off. Way to go, Lady J! :-)
21 posted on 03/25/2007 3:42:38 PM PDT by smoothsailing (http://www.gatheringofeagles.org/)
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To: Mr.Unique

I will say this...I was there, and outside the Lincoln Memorial, it was at least even and I thought we had more.

However, they had all of their people at one location, and the Gathering of Eagles had their people at multiple locations. I know they were definitely outnumbered, positively as much as two to one from what I personally saw, and taking into account what I didn't see, three to one is likely.


22 posted on 03/25/2007 3:50:41 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: CyberAnt

I dont recognize those hills and radio towers at all, is that even DC?

23 posted on 03/25/2007 3:57:30 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: RaceBannon; CyberAnt
Check this out:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806644/posts

24 posted on 03/25/2007 4:01:22 PM PDT by smoothsailing (http://www.gatheringofeagles.org/)
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To: RaceBannon

But .. if you look to the left, what is that building with the four posts .. is it the WH? But .. I don't recall seeing all those regular houses near the WH. And .. right above that building is a really tall building - the Washington monument? Weird - definitely New England .. because of the bare trees.

Also .. this picture does not have as many AMERICAN FLAGS as the other picture .. I can only see 3 in this one.

These people love to lie to suit their agenda so nothing they do surprises me.


25 posted on 03/25/2007 4:07:03 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("... first time in history the U.S. House has attempted to surrender via C-SPAN TV ...")
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To: RaceBannon

C'mon Race, you live here...right? ;)


26 posted on 03/25/2007 4:16:43 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (Global Emergency!)
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To: CyberAnt
Weird - definitely New England because of the bare trees.

Oh, definitely. *snicker*

27 posted on 03/25/2007 4:20:29 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (Global Emergency!)
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To: Mr.Unique

Well .. it might have been Oklahoma .. which also looks about the same .. but the church buildings are very different.


28 posted on 03/25/2007 4:21:56 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("... first time in history the U.S. House has attempted to surrender via C-SPAN TV ...")
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To: CyberAnt
Well .. it might have been Oklahoma .. which also looks about the same .. but the church buildings are very different.

...or it might have been DC...

Everybody here wants to be the next Buckhead.

29 posted on 03/25/2007 4:24:52 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (Global Emergency!)
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To: Mr.Unique

Well .. I was pretty sure it was DC - guess you can't read!


30 posted on 03/25/2007 4:26:14 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("... first time in history the U.S. House has attempted to surrender via C-SPAN TV ...")
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To: CyberAnt
...guess you can't read!

I read post 25.

You: Weird - definitely New England .. because of the bare trees.

Do you deny writing that? Did ANSWER write it, with your name at the bottom?

31 posted on 03/25/2007 4:33:15 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (Global Emergency!)
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To: Mr.Unique

What's your problem with what I said ..??


32 posted on 03/25/2007 4:35:59 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("... first time in history the U.S. House has attempted to surrender via C-SPAN TV ...")
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To: CyberAnt
What's your problem with what I said ..??

Well...it was incorrect. And, it is not you personally, it is this rush to call everything fake and acting crazy about it. The pic is quite obviously DC and now folks are saying it isn't.

You know that the media and wackos read what we post. Why give them ammo?

33 posted on 03/25/2007 4:40:29 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (Global Emergency!)
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To: Mr.Unique
FROM THE ORGANIZER http://gatheringofeagles.org/?p=191

Mission Accomplished
March 17th, 2007 | Category: Briefings
What an outstanding day! The Eagles soared! You should be very proud of your fellow veterans, families, and supporters. There’s so much to tell, and we encourage you to post your experiences in the the comments.

In the meantime, two items of business: 1) we have a gallery open for you to upload your digital photos to the website. That way you can share your photos with others. See the tab in the top right corner of the site. 2) the first unofficial estimate of the Eagle turn-out today… 30,000!
That figure may be adjusted upward as more figure are tallied during the week. Fox News reported today that the anti-war protesters had significantly less than they expected. However, they are erroneously reporting that the Eagles were there in “equal numbers”. The truth is that we outnumbered them by at least three to one! Consider…ANSWER had a year to plan their well-publicized event and were hoping for around 100,000. They actually drew about 5,000-10,000, according to various news reports today. The Gathering of Eagles, on the other hand, had about six weeks to plan an unprecedented response - and with no advertising, no publicity, no celebrity or political endorsement, no news coverage, and no big money, we had about 30,000 boots on the ground! The volunteers poured themselves into this historic event, and all of you who attended gave so much to be there. I’ll stop here and let your words speak for themselves. -H.

34 posted on 03/25/2007 5:00:01 PM PDT by radar101 (Dream Team--Hunter&Thompson)
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To: radar101
I’ll stop here and let your words speak for themselves. -H.

Are you backing off of post 10?:

U S Park Service Count--not GOE, not A N S W E R.

The Park Service doesn't do crowd estimates and THIS is a GOE estimate. I'll gladly buy the notion that we had more folks there, so there's no reason to misrepresent (by trying to add Park Service credibility) or inflate numbers.

35 posted on 03/25/2007 5:07:00 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (Global Emergency!)
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To: CyberAnt

No way is that the White House, from any angle...

I think the picture might be real, but certainly isn't from March 17th! Nor does it show hordes like they claim.


36 posted on 03/25/2007 6:16:09 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: Mr.Unique

huh?

I got my information on the numbers from someone who just got a phone call from the Park Department.

The Park Department called the GOE rally leaders and told them the number 30,000 applied to GOE. He told it to me.


37 posted on 03/25/2007 6:19:44 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: CyberAnt

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1806644/posts

Check this, Nick Danger showed us speculators up!


38 posted on 03/25/2007 6:23:42 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: RaceBannon
The Park Service doesn’t do estimates.

Who did the estimate?

39 posted on 03/25/2007 6:27:24 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (Global Emergency!)
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To: Mr.Unique

The Park Service called Larry Baily, Larry Baily told me and I announced it at the dinner we had later.


40 posted on 03/25/2007 6:28:04 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: Mr.Unique

I live 300 miles away! You knew that, right?


41 posted on 03/25/2007 6:31:50 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: RaceBannon

Somebody's not telling it straight. Either the National Park Service is back in the crowd estimating business or...


42 posted on 03/25/2007 6:36:10 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (Global Emergency!)
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To: RaceBannon
You knew that, right?

Nope. I stand corrected.

See how easy that is?

43 posted on 03/25/2007 6:37:06 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (Global Emergency!)
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To: Mr.Unique

They do estimate, they just dont realese formal estimates after the Louis Farrakahn 100,000 man fiasco...

So, what you get from them is their estimate...unofficial of course...


44 posted on 03/25/2007 7:07:56 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: smoothsailing

***They are Americans. They back down from no one.***

We need more friends in Canada like this.


45 posted on 03/25/2007 7:20:18 PM PDT by wastedyears ("These colours don't run, from cold bloody war." - Steve Harris, Bruce Dickinson)
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To: CyberAnt

If you're in front of the Lincoln Memorial, you see the Reflecting Pool, the Washington Monument, and the White House, in that order.


46 posted on 03/25/2007 7:25:11 PM PDT by wastedyears ("These colours don't run, from cold bloody war." - Steve Harris, Bruce Dickinson)
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To: Mr.Unique; RaceBannon
The Park Service called Larry Baily, Larry Baily told me and I announced it at the dinner we had later.

I got the same estimate from Capt.Bailey by cell phone on Sat. the 17th around 2:30.

Here's something you both might appreciate, courtesy of Citizen Smash

The aerial photo above is marked with my observations of how the groups are arrayed. The anti-war groups are marked in yellow, the police in blue, and the Gathering of Eagles (GOE) in red. As you can see, the middle of ANSWER’s muddy ball field is virtually empty. After four years at Annapolis, I became very accustomed to seeing the assembled Brigade of 4,500 midshipmen. This crowd might be a little bit bigger than that, but not by much. Maybe 6,000 to 7,000 tops. Not an impressive turnout at all, by ANSWER standards.

I give ANSWER the benefit of the doubt – for the moment – and assume that many of the protesters have yet to arrive. It’s only 11:30am, after all, and the march isn’t (officially) scheduled to step off until 12:00pm, although I know from experience that they always start an hour late (in fact, ANSWER’s permit to close the roads to the Pentagon won’t take effect until 1:00pm). So, after trudging around in the mud for a few minutes (and being offered several more socialist newspapers), I decide to head over to the Wall.

47 posted on 03/25/2007 7:42:35 PM PDT by smoothsailing (http://www.gatheringofeagles.org/)
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To: RaceBannon

Yeah, he pinged me.

The pictures are both from D.C. - and while the photographer might have played with the lense length to make it appear there were more people .. there's nothing we can do about that .. except let the media group who took the pictures that we noticed how they shot the picture.


48 posted on 03/25/2007 8:10:10 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("... first time in history the U.S. House has attempted to surrender via C-SPAN TV ...")
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To: Mr.Unique

I'm sorry .. I don't post for the whackos ..!!

The trees do indicate the Northeast - and I believe DC is pretty close to the Northeast!!


49 posted on 03/25/2007 8:22:31 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("... first time in history the U.S. House has attempted to surrender via C-SPAN TV ...")
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To: CyberAnt

Just my 2 cents. but pulled the picture out did some conditioning to it, then compared to the hybrid image of DC off of Google maps. There are only three items in the area that have anything beginning to look like a spire as that seen in the picture. And positioning them in the photo would have resulted in additional clutter not present. at the closest magnification I could get, am having a hard time picking out anything that looked like the lamp posts in the region they were supposed to be. Never having been to DC, I have to rely on the sources available, and after having looked the area over on the satellite photos, can't say I am convinced of the authenticity.
I would say definately a telephoto shot, which will compress distances between objects. Does seem to be a sharp drop-off in color, though I have seen a few incidences of this occuring, especially with the use of a telephoto and if there is a dip in between say the last of the protestors and the treeline behind


50 posted on 03/25/2007 9:15:19 PM PDT by damnedYankee (You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think - me)
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