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Venezuela's Chavez announces plans for 'collective property' under shift toward socialism
The Associated Press ^

Posted on 03/25/2007 6:32:11 PM PDT by Dan Evans

CARACAS, Venezuela: President Hugo Chavez announced Sunday that his government's sweeping reforms toward socialism will include the creation of "collective property."

Vowing to undermine capitalism's continued influence in Venezuela during his television and radio program "Hello President," Chavez said state-financed cooperatives would operate under a new concept in which workers would share profits.

"It's property that belongs to everyone and it's going to benefit everyone," said Chavez, a close ally of Cuban leader Fidel Castro whom opponents accuse of leading Venezuela toward Cuba-style communism.

Chavez — a leftist former paratrooper popularly known as "El Comandante" — said his government fully respects private property, but pledged to replace capitalist ideals with socialist principles on cooperatives such as cattle ranches and farms.

"It cannot be production to generate profits for one person or a small group of people that become rich exploiting peons who end up becoming slaves, living in poverty and misery their entire lives," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at iht.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: hugochavez; latinamerica; lunatic; socialism; venezuela
Critics say reform has failed to revive Venezuela's agriculture industry, which does not produce enough food to satisfy domestic demand. The government has been forced to import food amid shortages of staples such as meats, milk and sugar.
"If Mr. Chavez really wants to help Venezuela's poor farmers, he must offer them technical assistance and sufficient financing because land doesn't become productive without investment," said opposition leader Alfonzo Marquina. "We're only seeing increasing shortages and more expensive products."

What a surprise. The practise of collectivizing property didn't cause that to happen in the Soviet Union, North Korea or Cuba did it?

1 posted on 03/25/2007 6:32:14 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans

workers would share profits

What profits? Why would a collective stab it's own citizens by overcharging them to earn profits?

(/sarcasm)


2 posted on 03/25/2007 6:34:45 PM PDT by listenhillary (You can lead a man to reason, but you can't make him think)
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To: Dan Evans

I didn't see this coming. What a surprise!


3 posted on 03/25/2007 6:37:58 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really needed?)
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To: listenhillary
The Israeli kibbutz has been forced to go capitalist to save the institution. Pure socialism doesn't exist in any free society today - not even Israel where socialism was once the professed faith of the country's pioneering elite.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

4 posted on 03/25/2007 6:38:24 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dan Evans
...his government fully respects private property, but..."everything I do from now on is going to make you think I don't, so don't worry"

The dreaded but.

5 posted on 03/25/2007 6:38:48 PM PDT by M203M4 ("More guns" is often a very good answer.)
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To: Dan Evans
The government has been forced to import food amid shortages of staples such as meats, milk and sugar.

Ragnar Danneskjöld, where are you?

6 posted on 03/25/2007 6:40:22 PM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: Dan Evans

well, this idiocy will collapse under its own weight, and pretty soon - unless someone bumps off this pineapple, in which case it will collapse even sooner.


7 posted on 03/25/2007 6:40:24 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: listenhillary
The fact that socialism is championed by so many of the self-proclaimed intelligentsia of the world makes it quite clear that they are not intelligent, or thoughtful, or moral.
8 posted on 03/25/2007 6:41:35 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Dan Evans

Yep, but it doesn't look like that will stop him. Coming soon - forced relocation of both peasants and professionals to collective farms, five-year plans, gulags, and fawning New York Times reporting about the progress made under his benevolent reign... That is, until he gets the full Ceausescu treatment...


9 posted on 03/25/2007 6:41:43 PM PDT by Zeppo (We live in the Age of Stupidity. [Dennis Prager])
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To: GSlob
It would happen even faster if we could convince part of the dem voters to move there.

Ahhh..what a dream.

I've got two one way tickets for anyone that wants to give up their US citizenship for that POC country.

10 posted on 03/25/2007 6:44:28 PM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Dan Evans

Hmmmmmmmmmmm,maybe I'm jumping to conclusions here,but I'm beginning to suspect Chavez is a communist. Nah,he can't be,Joe Kennedy thinks he's great !!!


11 posted on 03/25/2007 6:47:56 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: anyone
"Since the reform began five years ago, officials have redistributed over 1.9 million hectares (4.6 million acres) of land that had been classified as unproductive or lacked property documents dating back to 1847, according to a recent government census."

Anyone have any idea if the bar set by this date is too high or is it reasonable?
12 posted on 03/25/2007 6:49:41 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Dan Evans
...pledged to replace capitalist ideals with socialist principles on cooperatives such as cattle ranches and farms.

Maybe his buddy Mugabe can train him on his world-class 3-step Farming For Socialists:

1) Drive out or kill everyone that knows how to grow food;
2) Give the farms to people that don't know how to grow food;
3) Drive out or kill the reporters that are writing about the ensuing mass starvation.

13 posted on 03/25/2007 6:49:42 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: proud_yank; StJacques

Chavez/Venezuela Ping

Latin American Left Ping

The wank Chavez hurtles headlong into rabid stupidity.


14 posted on 03/25/2007 6:50:01 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Dan Evans

15 posted on 03/25/2007 6:50:21 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Indeed


16 posted on 03/25/2007 6:54:30 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr (Erudition and arrogance is just as destructive to a society as ignorance and brutality.)
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To: Dan Evans

Each generation has to find out the follies of socialism for itself. We've done some unpleasant things in South America but nothing compared to what they are about to do to themselves, I fear.
I really would like the next presidential debate to include a question about the Monroe Doctrine (however I am not so sure I would like the answer)..
just my .02


17 posted on 03/25/2007 6:57:41 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, ATF and DEA)
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To: 6SJ7

"Ragnar Danneskjöld, where are you?"

LOL - I'm reading that right now and it's amazing how relevant and fresh it still is after, what, 50 years?

Also, after evolving into a staunch conservative since college, the book means so much more reading it now than it did when I first read it 30 years ago.


18 posted on 03/25/2007 7:00:17 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: Obie Wan
Joe's father or uncle would've bitchslapped Chavez so fast that Joe II would not know what happened.
19 posted on 03/25/2007 7:02:43 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, ATF and DEA)
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To: Dan Evans

Venezuela is on its way to the economic success enjoyed in Cuba and Zimbabwe. Watch for a massive exodus of skilled workers and business owners.


20 posted on 03/25/2007 7:16:24 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Dan Evans

The communist bastards are back.


21 posted on 03/25/2007 7:21:33 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: Dan Evans
Communism hasn't worked in the past.....
But.........
What the hell........
Try it one more time........
Geeez!
22 posted on 03/25/2007 7:26:55 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Dan Evans

No wonder the American Left likes Chavez. He's a communist.


23 posted on 03/25/2007 7:38:59 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: Dan Evans

its the 1st annual Hugo Chavez Birthday Party and Share the Wealth Kegger !


24 posted on 03/25/2007 7:39:55 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Dan Evans

"Surprise, surprise, surprise!"

25 posted on 03/25/2007 7:42:24 PM PDT by machman
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To: The Great RJ; All
Which would be a great boon for us.. Also look for more Venezuelan restaurants to pop up real soon..
26 posted on 03/25/2007 7:43:34 PM PDT by KevinDavis (?To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual ways of preserving peace? ?)
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To: Dan Evans
Over 70 years of socialism and communism failing, and here comes another Wesley Mooch thinking he can do it better than Lenin, Mao, and Castro (among others). And the democRATs love these failed tyrants.

I guess I'll pop some popcorn and watch Venezuela follow Zimbabwe down the road to oblivion...

5.56mm

27 posted on 03/25/2007 7:54:10 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: goldstategop
Yes, and even in "Socialist" Sweden, at its peak 70% of the economy was in private hands. The figure must now be at least 85% and growing.

Tito allowed for a mixed economy and foreign investment in the old Yugoslavia only 15 years after taking power.

If only we could get Kim Jong and Fidel to see the light...

28 posted on 03/25/2007 7:57:01 PM PDT by Clemenza (NO to Rudy in 2008! New York's Values are NOT America's Values! RUN FRED RUN!)
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To: Eccl 10:2


I think the kibbutzes fizzled naturally rather than failed. They had a good moral foundation grounded in a common desire, rather than a mandated scheme designed to stroke an ego or two.
29 posted on 03/25/2007 8:05:59 PM PDT by DevNulled
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To: DevNulled

Agreed about the kibbutzes (kibbutzim?). They were something of a necessity "back in the day", but lost their pioneer relevance as Israel developed.


30 posted on 03/25/2007 8:11:21 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: Dan Evans
"It's property that belongs to everyone and it's going to benefit everyone.."

I might go down there to visit (for the weather, of course), I'll go to his place and make myself at home.

You don't think he'll mind, do you?

31 posted on 03/25/2007 9:55:38 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (OUR schools are damaging OUR children)
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To: Dan Evans

Chavez needs to read up on "The Tragedy of the Commons."


32 posted on 03/25/2007 10:00:45 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Championship U)
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To: the anti-liberal
"It's property that belongs to everyone and it's going to benefit everyone.."

"That which is common to the greatest number has the least care bestowed upon it." - Aristotle

33 posted on 03/25/2007 10:02:01 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Championship U)
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To: Dan Evans

"We don't need no steenking Capitaleesm"

34 posted on 03/25/2007 10:07:08 PM PDT by BigFinn (Have you paid your 'indulgence' to the Carbonista?)
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To: Dan Evans

Who didn't see this coming?


35 posted on 03/25/2007 10:12:16 PM PDT by DesScorp (.)
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To: Dan Evans

Lenin tried the exact same thing. It lasted a little over two years. Huey really ought to crack a history book sometime.


36 posted on 03/25/2007 10:19:27 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
I know people, some close to me, who think it is a heresy when I decry big government and champion liberty. I would write this off to chemical dependency, but the whole government-entertainment-media complex has sprinkled some pixie dust on the poor fish. The left is making an unsaid alliance with the Mooselimbs...and just how this will come to critical mass is anybody's guess.
37 posted on 03/25/2007 10:20:30 PM PDT by ashtanga
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To: Dan Evans
"Chavez, who hosted Sunday's program from a ranch in Venezuela's sun-baked plains, said his government would move to expropriate large ranches and farms spanning more than 300,000 hectares (740,000 acres) and redistribute lands deemed "idle" to the poor under a nationwide agrarian reform.

Since the reform began five years ago, officials have redistributed over 1.9 million hectares (4.6 million acres) of land that had been classified as unproductive or lacked property documents dating back to 1847, according to a recent government census.

Critics say reform has failed to revive Venezuela's agriculture industry, which does not produce enough food to satisfy domestic demand. The government has been forced to import food amid shortages of staples such as meats, milk and sugar."

I predict more shortages to come. What an economic moron this guy is!

38 posted on 03/26/2007 2:17:57 AM PDT by Roy Tucker ("You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality"--Ayn Rand)
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To: The Great RJ
Watch for a massive exodus of skilled workers and business owners.

Already happening. Most are going to S. Florida.

39 posted on 03/26/2007 2:50:30 AM PDT by jslade (The beatings well cease when morale improves!)
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To: Dan Evans

Does this mean he's moving in with me?


40 posted on 03/26/2007 2:53:25 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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