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Best book on Auschwitz?? (Vanity)

Posted on 03/26/2007 4:11:09 AM PDT by Colosis

I have just returned from Auschwitz after a short stay in Cracow. I didn't do much research before I went which I now greatly regret. I'm still in a state of semi-shock at what I have seen and would like any recommendations on what I should read. I hear Primo Levi's book is good.


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1 posted on 03/26/2007 4:11:09 AM PDT by Colosis
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To: Colosis

viktor frankl. man's search for meaning


2 posted on 03/26/2007 4:38:15 AM PDT by ripley
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To: Colosis
Night..by Elie Wiesel is one of the most powerful little books I've ever read on this subject.

A must read!

3 posted on 03/26/2007 4:41:18 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: Colosis
Actually, Wiesel was in Buchenwald Concentration Camp...

..but if you don't need a specific camp, I fully believe the larger known ones, Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Bergen-Belsen, Ravensbruck....were very similar.

Another powerful book is The Hiding Place by Corrie Ten Boom...she was in Ravensbruck.

4 posted on 03/26/2007 4:49:14 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: Colosis
My mistake....Wiesel was at Auschwitz, and I believe a few more, as well.
5 posted on 03/26/2007 4:51:02 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: Colosis
I visited Auschwitz / Berkenau four months ago. One good feel the evil still present at the sites. As you probably know, Auschwitz was a camp built before the Germans invaded Poland, Berkenau was built for the final solution of the Jews. Berkenau was a very small village that the Nazi's razed and then built the camp.

When on tour, I asked our Polish guide didn't the locals know what was going on? She very sharply pointed out that Oswiecim (Polish name of town) was commandeered by the Nazi's and renamed Aushwitz (German). The Nazi's then began building the final solution to the Jewish "issue" by ordering a 40 Kilometer buffer zone around the camps. Meaning that no one associated with the camps could live in the area. The Germans occupied the original houses in Oswiecim and threw out the inhabitants.

Back to your question on "Best Book". I've read quite a bit on the camps and if you have visited, the best book is between your ears. It was the most moving moments of my life. The seven tons of hair, the prosthetics that were salvaged, eye glasses and shoes displayed at Auschwitz along with standing on the ashes of humanity at Birkenaus two crematoria's is better than any book I could have read.

The only positive aspect I got out of the tour was the thousands of people that were there that day including grade school children. My hope is that through this education history will not repeat itself. I feel that in today's world, I am wrong.

I wish I knew HTML, I have some great pic's that I would love to share with other FReepers. Anyone wish to share a quick "do this to post pic's"?
6 posted on 03/26/2007 4:57:49 AM PDT by mmanager (Rudy = The GAG ONE - Guns, Abortion and Gays - Remove one and call yourself conservative.)
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To: mmanager

"I visited Auschwitz / Berkenau four months ago. One good feel the evil still present at the sites".

Meant "One could feel.........."

Sorry 'bout that, only one cup of joe and heading to the airport.


7 posted on 03/26/2007 5:00:30 AM PDT by mmanager (Rudy = The GAG ONE - Guns, Abortion and Gays - Remove one and call yourself conservative.)
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To: Colosis

Martin Gilbert


8 posted on 03/26/2007 5:02:38 AM PDT by Misschuck
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To: Colosis
What an emotional place that is. It didn't really hit me till I saw paperwork from a Gym teacher, born in Chicago, that was killed there. My father was born in Chicago and went to visit relatives in Poland in 1937. He didn't get back till 1947.

When I was there they sold a book on site called "Auschwitz; As seen by the SS". It was diaries from the original camp commander, a camp doctor and a coporal in the SS. It was astounding to read. Info here.

Is the place being kept up. When I was there they were talking about how they were running out of money to maintain it.

9 posted on 03/26/2007 5:02:40 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: mmanager
To post a picture type this:
10 posted on 03/26/2007 5:07:10 AM PDT by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: Colosis

According to the leader of Iran, its all a lie. And, even if some jews were killed, he says that if Europe felt so guilty about letting all the jews be murdered, why didn't europe give the jews a homeland in europe rather than palestinian land?

This is a guy we almost gave a visa to come to New York and bad mouth Ameria.


11 posted on 03/26/2007 5:08:07 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: mmanager
There's an html sandbox on FR. Do a keyword search for sandbox.

To post a pic:

In this example replace the "[" and "]" with "<" and ">" respectively.

For posting the pic the html is: [img src="image adress"]

For example this pic

looks like this with the brackets instead of the "<,>'s".

[img src="http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k135/raybbr/oddballs/Pelosi.jpg"]

I hope that helps. I would really like to see curren pics. I was there in '95.

12 posted on 03/26/2007 5:12:09 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Bahbah
To post a picture type this:

Hee hee. There is a way to post the angle brackets without causing the html to disappear them but I can't remember what it is.

13 posted on 03/26/2007 5:16:22 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Guenevere; Colosis

"Another powerful book is The Hiding Place by Corrie Ten Boom...she was in Ravensbruck."

I second that recommendation.

And if you want to read a moving tale about a young Polish girl of 17 who helped to hide people and kept them out of the camps in the first place read, "In My Hands" by Irene Opdyke.

I'll never forget that book. She's a true hero. :)


14 posted on 03/26/2007 5:16:35 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: raybbr

Thank-You, I will give it a try when I get back later this week.

I have probably 100 pic's that I took and would share with anyone that would like to have them.

Just tell me how to share (create a folder on someone's homepage?) All I am is an operator of this machine, I have never took the time to figure out how it works.

Have a great week!


15 posted on 03/26/2007 5:16:50 AM PDT by mmanager (Rudy = The GAG ONE - Guns, Abortion and Gays - Remove one and call yourself conservative.)
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To: mmanager
Just tell me how to share (create a folder on someone's homepage?) All I am is an operator of this machine, I have never took the time to figure out how it works.

The best way to this is to upload your pics to a place like photobucket.com. They will host your pics for free and you can link them using their menus. I don't know how they do it but there are millions of pic loaded there and it doesn't cost a dime. No real advertising either.

Hope to see some pics. Is the place being kept up. I was there in 95 and they had been talking about how they were going to need money to maintain it.

16 posted on 03/26/2007 5:24:20 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Colosis

Primo Levi, "Survival at Auschwitz"


17 posted on 03/26/2007 5:24:35 AM PDT by redwhit
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To: Guenevere
On the theme of if you do not need a specific camp, try reading this one - Dachau, 1933-1945: The Official History by Paul Berben. When stationed in Naples, Italy (77-79), I checked this out of the AFSOUTH Library and read it. You can only read a few pages at time before you have to put it down and shake the horrors out of your mind. A wife of one of the commandants would have men with colorful tattoos skinned and after trating the skin, would make a lampshade out of it. Guards would toss babies in the air and see how many times you could shot it before it hit the ground. This type of stuff still goes on today but the majority close thier eyes to it.
18 posted on 03/26/2007 5:27:34 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: mmanager
I feel that in today's world, I am wrong.

There is still wholesale killing of groups of people....but these days they are just killed in place and not shipped to one location to be killed. If the United Nations would fulfill its mission perhaps there would be less of it.
19 posted on 03/26/2007 5:28:48 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: raybbr

Oops. It's early. That's my excuse.


20 posted on 03/26/2007 5:30:21 AM PDT by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: raybbr

Thanks again,
Yes the sites are being kept up as they are a resource for revenue in the area. The Pole's (rightfully so) make sure that everyone knows that this was a German place. All of the tour guides had personal story's how the camps affected their families lives.

Most all of the buildings at Birkenau in the man-camp side our gone, with only the brick chimney's and foundations remaining. The women's camp is virtually still intact because the buildings were made of brick where the man-camp was wooden structures.


21 posted on 03/26/2007 5:38:47 AM PDT by mmanager (Rudy = The GAG ONE - Guns, Abortion and Gays - Remove one and call yourself conservative.)
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To: SJackson; Alouette; Salem

Ping for your lists to add recommended books to this thread?


22 posted on 03/26/2007 5:54:56 AM PDT by Esther Ruth
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Holocaust-related recommended books

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23 posted on 03/26/2007 6:04:20 AM PDT by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: mmanager; All

Thanks to all for the information. when I tried goggling 'Auschwitz', I was saddened by the number of holocaust denial sites out there. I can't help thinking that humanity is bound to make the same mistake again. I saw this quote from somewhere in Auschwitz, though I don't know the Author "the veneer of humanity, like tissue over the railway tracks of hatred".


24 posted on 03/26/2007 6:04:26 AM PDT by Colosis (Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK) IRA = Ragheads)
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To: Colosis

bttt


25 posted on 03/26/2007 6:05:14 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Freep Fox they drop the ball on GOE)
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To: Colosis

I read Primo Levy's book - he described the cold and lack of food towards the end of the war - (when the supply of food failed, possibly due to allied bombing of the railways) He also was very careful to separate what he himself saw from the gossip he heard about gas chambers - according to Levy, he saw only one execution, that of a prisoner who attempted to commit arson by setting a fire in a workshop. The prisoners were suffering from starvation and typhus towards the end and he felt lucky to have survived - recommend his book.


26 posted on 03/26/2007 8:17:11 AM PDT by Howard Jarvis Admirer (Howard Jarvis, the foe of the tax collector and friend of the California homeowner)
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To: mmanager
When on tour, I asked our Polish guide didn't the locals know what was going on? She very sharply pointed out that Oswiecim (Polish name of town) was commandeered by the Nazi's and renamed Aushwitz (German). The Nazi's then began building the final solution to the Jewish "issue" by ordering a 40 Kilometer buffer zone around the camps.

There is a very long documentary called "Shoah" that interviews the people in the homes nearest to the camps along with Poles of that generation who survived. It paints a slightly different picture than the response by your guide...

27 posted on 03/26/2007 8:51:33 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Colosis

I've read numerous great books, many of which have already been suggested, but I saw a fantastic movie the other day (it's not new)called "Out of the Ashes." It is about Giselle Perl, a Hungarian physician who ended up working with Dr. Mengele in a minor capacity (of course she had no choice).

I sobbed through about half of this movie. Dr. Perl is now dead but her story is well worth knowing.

So many people forget about the horrible experiments done by Mengele and I believe this part of history must never be forgotten either.


28 posted on 03/26/2007 9:05:54 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: mmanager

I always hoped that people would never repeat the horrors of the Nazi death machine but, like you, the way the world seems to be tilting today (especially the Muslim terorrists and the rise of anti-semitism and so son), I am afraid nothing has changed at all. The names and instruments change but the evil is there in its fullest capacity, as strong as ever. No one has learned a thing. Or, let me say it a different way. The people who need to know will not be the ones that learn.


29 posted on 03/26/2007 9:08:28 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Colosis

My Father was with Patton in WW2. He brought home photographs of several of the camps.

I still have them in the family scrapbook.

There were pictures of incredibly emaciated bodies stacked like cordwood by the hundreds.

There were pictures of rooms stacked to the ceilings with rings, bracelets and necklaces.

I will never doubt the Holocaust.


30 posted on 03/26/2007 11:34:44 AM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Guenevere; Colosis
Night..by Elie Wiesel is one of the most powerful little books I've ever read on this subject.

Ditto.

31 posted on 03/26/2007 11:35:26 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Championship U)
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To: Howard Jarvis Admirer

What's your guess? How many reading what you wrote grasp your motivation?

Or is there no malice in you and you are just not very bright?


32 posted on 03/26/2007 3:19:28 PM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: Colosis
Well, you do need to read Night, but it will not further your understanding.

After you read Night, you need about five years to get over it, and then you can start to think about it again.

33 posted on 03/26/2007 3:21:29 PM PDT by Jim Noble (But that's why they play the games)
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To: Halgr

Three of my great-grandparents and many other relatives of mine were murdered in that way. I have seen the letter from a Jewish organization written to my grandmother after the war, when she wanted to know what became of her elderly parents, that contains what the Nazis called their "Vernichtungsdaten." Extermination Dates. The mind cannot comprehend.

My grandfather made it alive out of Buchenwald, and my father, at age 7, was saved by England and the Kindertransport.

How can anyone doubt the Holocaust?


34 posted on 03/26/2007 4:44:55 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Sabramerican

Primo Levy's book can speak for itself - I recommend it.


35 posted on 03/26/2007 4:46:26 PM PDT by Howard Jarvis Admirer (Howard Jarvis, the foe of the tax collector and friend of the California homeowner)
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To: Colosis

Primo Levi's book does it for me. Yet another poor soul who thought that his Italian neighbors would "protect him."


36 posted on 03/26/2007 4:47:28 PM PDT by Clemenza (NO to Rudy in 2008! New York's Values are NOT America's Values! RUN FRED RUN!)
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To: Colosis; SJackson; yonif; Simcha7; American in Israel; Slings and Arrows; judicial meanz; ...
"Best book on Auschwitz??"

Although Elie Wiesel's NIGHT is one of the "big dogs" on the block of Holocaust history, I also recommend The Holocaust Chronicle for its extensive research (thick as a phone book), as well as the whole book being posted online. It has numerous pictures I don't think you will see anywhere else.

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37 posted on 03/26/2007 7:29:49 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: Colosis; All
Memory of the Camps

A supplement to reading, powerful in its own right. Footage from 1945, of Dachau, Buchenwald, Belsen, and other camps, narrated by Trevor Howard. Be warned of disturbing content.

38 posted on 03/26/2007 7:44:31 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Salem
I agree 'The Holocaust Chronicle' is a chilling, meticulous researched and well documented work on the entire history of the Shoah. It's the best book I have seen on the general subject.

I was a little surprised 'Publications International' was the publisher considering they are better known for fine detailed large coffee table size books on automotive history, children's books & cookbooks. Really nice books.

Barnes & Noble has been selling the excellent work for only $19.95.

Martin Gilbert's 2003 book is another superbly documented collection of individual histories of those who risked everything to saved Jewish neighbours, refugees, children & babies, all of which were slated to be murdered by the Nazi death machine. I have the hardback edition, although it may now be out in paperback.

39 posted on 03/27/2007 3:06:22 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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