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$27 million anti-evolution museum to open soon
Lexington Herald-Leader ^ | March 26, 2007 | Andy Mead

Posted on 03/26/2007 12:18:38 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger

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To: Bobbyjoe
RE: 11

"its programs, unlike those at other planetariums, will say that the light from the stars we see did not take millions of years to get here."

Anyone know what this means? What do creationists think about stars?

Other than that they were made on the fourth day, I can't tell you very much about how God made them (other than that He 'spoke' them into existence).

Ideas vary, but no one knows. Each model has various pros and cons:
a) God created the light in transit;
b) The speed of light has changed since the Creation;
c) Time Dilation where time near the center of the universe (Earth) ran much slower than time on the perimeter of the universe. This also required that the original dimensions of the universe were fairly compact - and then spread out after wards (Scripture makes several references to God 'stretching out the heavens'). The net result being that stars at the perimeter of the universe could have taken billions of years to form, while only days were passing on the Earth.

The net result is that I don't know.
It is certainly man's privilege and duty to study God's Creation -- but I suspect the details to this answer will have to wait until we can ask the Creator Himself.
In the mean time I have more than enough mundane challenges to keep me occupied.

41 posted on 03/26/2007 1:13:15 PM PDT by El Cid (for there is none other name [Jesus] under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
I hate, absolutely hate these stupid threads. It's embarrassing that people believe this nonsense. Gosh, in this day and age...
42 posted on 03/26/2007 1:18:00 PM PDT by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: El Cid

Your post just made me cry. All my tax money spent on education (yours) wasted...absolutely wasted.


44 posted on 03/26/2007 1:19:27 PM PDT by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: El Cid
Ideas vary, but no one knows. Each model has various pros and cons:

and yet you reject the most plausible explanation, which has more than enough ideas, theories, and evidence behind it, all of which fit neatly into every other idea, theory, and piece of evidence we have about a few zillion other scientific topics..

45 posted on 03/26/2007 1:27:03 PM PDT by Teacher317 (Are you familiar with the writings of Shan Yu?)
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To: cloud8
This is a joke, right?

Yes, it is. But they do mean it.

46 posted on 03/26/2007 1:28:18 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Tons of scientific evidence proven out vs what someone wrote in the bible....

If I have a brain then I go with the former.


47 posted on 03/26/2007 1:34:45 PM PDT by misterrob (The Clinton Culture of Corruption-Alliteration is a Wonderful Thing)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
I won't be back up in that area until June or so. It sounds like one could make a day trip and hit the Corvette museum on the same day.

I hope they do a good job instead of adding another nut-job piece to feed those who deny God His authorship of us.

48 posted on 03/26/2007 1:35:00 PM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: USMMA_83
Your post just made me cry. All my tax money spent on education (yours) wasted...absolutely wasted.

I can normally go quite awhile on these threads without getting my dander up. This post crossed the line. El Cid was only trying to explain what he thinks. I've got a degree and love astronomy and chemistry. But guess what? I'm still a Creationist!

Why can't God have done these things? What can't evolution be a part of His Designs? Open your mind up a little more.

49 posted on 03/26/2007 1:35:07 PM PDT by EarthBound (Ex Deo,gratia. Ex astris,scientia (Duncan Hunter in 2008! http://www.gohunter08.com))
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To: El Cid
c) Time Dilation where time near the center of the universe (Earth)....

Do you really believe that the Earth is at or near the center of the universe?
50 posted on 03/26/2007 1:35:52 PM PDT by HaveHadEnough
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To: Cooking101

"So I say bring back the Inquisition"

I'm a nonbeliever, do I get to keep my head?


51 posted on 03/26/2007 1:38:08 PM PDT by VRing (Happiness is a perfect sling bruise.)
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To: EarthBound
Yes, Evolution can be a part of his design. Creationism can't. As an aside, what do you love about Chemistry?
52 posted on 03/26/2007 1:38:33 PM PDT by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: VRing

Nope...off with your head, and off to hell for you...make room for me there too bub...


53 posted on 03/26/2007 1:40:07 PM PDT by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: DaveLoneRanger
if any Freeper creationists (or shucks, evolutionists, if you can be nice...!)

Is laughing considered not nice?

54 posted on 03/26/2007 1:42:17 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Evolution science = global warming science. Non theistic religion with a lot of techno babble.


55 posted on 03/26/2007 1:42:28 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.)
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To: USMMA_83

Interactions b/tw atoms and how properties between combinations can vary so widely. ie: Sodium and Chlorine. Probably should say that quantum-physics is my favorite science.


56 posted on 03/26/2007 1:42:32 PM PDT by EarthBound (Ex Deo,gratia. Ex astris,scientia (Duncan Hunter in 2008! http://www.gohunter08.com))
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To: LukeL
Because the factors of which we can directly test can be applied to an old earth.

For example when observing ice cores near the poles when we look down 26 rings we see ash that matches the ash from Mt. St. Helen's. When we look down 1937 years we see ash from Pompeii. So if going down 2,000 rings matches with 2,000 years of recorded history, than it isn't a stretch to apply this to 100,000-200,000 years.


Yes, I know that they say it's that simple. It isn't. I challenge you: look up what I'm about to mention, in case you doubt it's correct. Antarctic cores are *not* done by counting layers. There *Are No Rings*. There is too little snow in Vostok and Dome C, where the cores have been taken, for there to be rings. It's part of the reason why they can claim such long time periods; if there were countable rings, the lengths of the cores needed would be preposterously long.

So, how do they model the proported age in Antarctic cores, if not for rings? You guessed it: radioisotopes with fudge factors! In this case, deuterium, which they try to align with deep sea cores, which themselves aren't counted by annual layers... well, you get where this is going. It's one assumption chained off of another off of another.

Now, the *Greenland* cores are done by rings -- only they make one serious error: they assume that the ice has been there for millions of years. Because of this, they claim that the rings at the bottom are literally paper thin. The argument is that the ice glaciates and calves from the bottom, so those layers would be more spread out. Makes sense, but *only* if you begin with that ancient assumption, putting the glaciers at equilibrium. If they're not at equilibrium, this argument falls out the door, and what you're actually looking at with paper-thin slices is individual snowfalls and day-to-day climate fluctuations. What they interpret as regular, periodic climate trends are the annual fluctuations.
57 posted on 03/26/2007 1:44:01 PM PDT by OldGuard1
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To: LukeL

So you don't believe God created Adam but you believe the bible?


58 posted on 03/26/2007 1:45:03 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.)
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To: LukeL

So you don't believe God created Adam but you believe the bible?


59 posted on 03/26/2007 1:45:47 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.)
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To: Cooking101

"Where is Torqemada when you need him?"

He used to be living in Afghanistan; now it's probably somewhere along the Pakistani border. I hear he's looking for help, you sound like his kind of guy.


60 posted on 03/26/2007 1:46:18 PM PDT by 49th (This space for rent.)
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