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A mistake, a raid, a couple terrified
Pioneer Press ^ | 03/27/2007 12:28:02 AM CDT | DAVE ORRICK

Posted on 03/27/2007 5:12:46 AM PDT by VRing

The man leveled his gun at Nicole Thompson's face.

Moments later, he had the mother of four on the ground with the barrel to the back of her head. According to her and her husband, the man screamed, "If you move, I'll shoot you in the f-- head!"


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More plain clothes jack booted nonsense.
1 posted on 03/27/2007 5:12:48 AM PDT by VRing
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To: VRing
Let me guess: a con fingered the wrong house for the police. Oops!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 03/27/2007 5:14:07 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: VRing

It all began as a drug investigation.

According to reports from police and prosecutors, audio recordings of the incident, and the Thompsons:

A confidential informant for the Anoka-Hennepin Drug Task Force set up what he and cops thought would be a drug sting targeting Ryan Robert Baker, 30, of East Bethel. In fact, Baker's intention was to rob the informant without selling him any drugs, according to theft charges to which he pleaded guilty this month.

Shortly after 1 p.m. Feb. 16, Baker and the informant, who was not identified, drove to Spring Lake Park. The informant wore a radio transmitter, and cops listened as Baker told him to drive to the 8300 block of Able Street Northeast. The police, following from a distance, didn't know where Baker was heading. Baker picked the Thompsons' house, apparently at random.

The Thompsons run a video and film production business out of the house, so they were home. They've never had a run-in with the cops, and neither of them knew the informant or Baker. Wade Cordts, an intern for their company, also was at the house. The Thompsons' four children, ages 8 to 18, weren't home.

Nicole Thompson heard a knock at the front door. She answered it and saw two men struggling over a wad of cash. One of the men asked about drugs. She yelled to her husband, who ran to the door and pinned the two men against a wall outside the house. Cordts helped keep them there while Nicole Thompson called 911.

"I need a policeman please," she says in a recording of the 911 call. "Two gentlemen just rang my doorbell, and they're fighting on my doorstep. No, I don't know them. My husband and another gentleman who lives with us are out there right now trying to restrain this guy, but I don't exactly know what's going on."

Amid the sounds of a struggle over the wire planted on the informant, cops heard him say he was being robbed. A supervising detective called out over the police radio, "This is a rip-off. Bust, bust, bust."

An audio recording given by the Anoka County Sheriff's Office to the Thompsons documents the incident, as heard through the muffled microphone on the informant. A salvo of screamed profanities announces the officers' presence. Some of it is inaudible; some of it is clear, like, "Anybody f-- moves, you get a boot in the head, understand?"

'EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES'

That's hardly the language used by the police - a combination of officers from several jurisdictions assigned to the task force - in official reports.

"I exited the vehicle took my badge out, held it in my left hand as far as I could," wrote Detective John Potter, one of the first on the scene. "I announced that I was the police and ordered everyone to the ground."

To Brad Thompson, the group of plain-clothed men who poured out of a beat-up minivan looked "like bikers," not police. And while he doesn't deny they may have had badges in view, all he saw was the guns pointed at him.

"I didn't know for sure they were police until the handcuffs came out," he said.

Police reports are littered with references of "exigent circumstances," a phrase drawn from legal rulings that give police the authority to enter a home without a search warrant if they fear they could be in immediate danger. The Thompsons didn't understand why a dozen officers were combing through their house; they hadn't been read their rights and no one told them what it was all about.


3 posted on 03/27/2007 5:17:47 AM PDT by bvw
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To: VRing

Every individual has a right to protect his/her life and property. If someone breaks into a house the individual has a right and an obligation to repel the invader by deadly force if needed. If the invader is a plainclothes policeman intruding into the wrong house, the invader may be killed. And that would be justified.
In this situation the homeowner didn't have a chance to protect him/herself and you can see what happens. If the innocent homeowner moves in the "wrong" direction, he/she is shot.
And tyranny and terrorism by government marches forward.


4 posted on 03/27/2007 5:19:34 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Fascism is wrong even if it's practiced by the government)
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To: All

A citizen and bad guys. And the "friends" of bad guys. Who are those "friends": the cops, during the long period of the oppressive drug laws.


5 posted on 03/27/2007 5:19:36 AM PDT by bvw
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To: VRing

"The police, they're going back to their homes, and they're feeling remorse: 'Oh, my God, we could have hurt someone today.' "

Yeah, that's why they were so apologetic and accepted the invitation to visit the folks that got jumped.

Oh yeah, they didn't. Time to move to another town, Mr. and Mrs. Thompson. You are on the s%#^ list now for complaining.


6 posted on 03/27/2007 5:20:27 AM PDT by ko_kyi
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To: bvw

Very strange story. And scary that this can happen to anyone at anytime.


7 posted on 03/27/2007 5:20:49 AM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

"You think you've had a bad day" ping.


8 posted on 03/27/2007 5:21:07 AM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS) "These lefties are terminally inebriated on dishonesty." The Nuge)
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To: bvw

"The Thompsons didn't understand why a dozen officers were combing through their house; they hadn't been read their rights and no one told them what it was all about."

Where are the bootlickers to tell me that the police are the guardians of our liberties?


9 posted on 03/27/2007 5:21:26 AM PDT by VRing (Happiness is a perfect sling bruise.)
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To: VRing

The above is a clip of the necessary context from the article, otherwise how can we discuss it.


10 posted on 03/27/2007 5:21:38 AM PDT by bvw
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To: traviskicks

ping


11 posted on 03/27/2007 5:21:47 AM PDT by KoRn (FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT!)
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To: VRing

Where was this?.......


12 posted on 03/27/2007 5:22:22 AM PDT by Red Badger (If it's consensus, it's not science. If it's science, there's no need for consensus......)
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To: traviskicks

Ping


13 posted on 03/27/2007 5:22:47 AM PDT by VRing (Happiness is a perfect sling bruise.)
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To: VRing
Armed and dangerous.

When will we pass a law that allows us to summarily hang these jack booted thugs from the nearest tree?

Civility in delivering warrants would return, post haste.
14 posted on 03/27/2007 5:23:00 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: bvw

Special...


15 posted on 03/27/2007 5:23:44 AM PDT by DB
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To: Red Badger

Spring Lake Park, Minnesota.


16 posted on 03/27/2007 5:23:50 AM PDT by VRing (Happiness is a perfect sling bruise.)
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To: VRing

Call John Edwards...he'll know what to do. (SARC)


17 posted on 03/27/2007 5:23:51 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: bvw

Thanks.


18 posted on 03/27/2007 5:24:34 AM PDT by VRing (Happiness is a perfect sling bruise.)
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To: Al Gator

"When will we pass a law that allows us to summarily hang these jack booted thugs from the nearest tree?"

Never. The jackboots are here to protect us, remember?


19 posted on 03/27/2007 5:25:52 AM PDT by VRing (Happiness is a perfect sling bruise.)
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To: VRing

Maybe the historical phrase "Liberty Tree", or "Liberty Pole" might be remembered by the modern Sith Lords of IP.


20 posted on 03/27/2007 5:26:17 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
Police reports are littered with references of "exigent circumstances,"

In other words, they lied.

L

21 posted on 03/27/2007 5:26:40 AM PDT by Lurker (Calling islam a religion is like calling a car a submarine.)
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To: VRing
"The police, they're going back to their homes, and they're feeling remorse: 'Oh, my God, we could have hurt someone today.' "


Believe this and I got some stock in a bridge in New York I want to sell you.

Truth is they all went to the bar later and laughed all night about "did you see the way she sh!t when I....."
all the while grabbing their crotch in their best Philly accent "I gotchur f***ing civil rights right here! right effin here!!.....

These armed idiots need to be shut down, now.
22 posted on 03/27/2007 5:28:29 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: VRing

Near Lake Wobegon?.........


23 posted on 03/27/2007 5:28:46 AM PDT by Red Badger (If it's consensus, it's not science. If it's science, there's no need for consensus......)
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To: VRing

It is a well-written article. Kudos to the Pioneer Press and the reporter, Dave Orrick, and editors.


24 posted on 03/27/2007 5:28:52 AM PDT by bvw
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To: VRing

OOps, you're right, I forgot. /s>


25 posted on 03/27/2007 5:29:24 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: VRing

Isn't there any way of these cops having a mug of the guy they're after? I mean really, the drug dealer doesn't have a record and picture on the police file?

The guys lucky he didn't greet anyone with a gun or there'd be 4 orphans right now.

I'd hesitate about the lawsuit EXCEPT for the inconvenient little fact that the lead cop allegedly picked the house at random. And the wife is right; if you sue the cops, who are you going to call next time you need help?

This get the drug dealers at all costs cr@p has got to stop. It's not worth what it's doing to innocent citizens.


26 posted on 03/27/2007 5:29:38 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

They KeyStone-cops-on-steroids, evidently, were after a a figment of their bad guy informant's imagination. He wanted to rob someone and pulled the coppers along for cover.


27 posted on 03/27/2007 5:31:53 AM PDT by bvw
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To: goldstategop

wow, not again


28 posted on 03/27/2007 5:35:08 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE (Free speech for thee, but not for me?)
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To: bvw

Why don't you try reading the whole article. It isn't hard to do.


29 posted on 03/27/2007 5:35:22 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: VRing

Did they shoot the dog?


30 posted on 03/27/2007 5:36:23 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - the uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Oh you know they did.

SOP, the guy who bags the dog gets all his drinks free afterward.


BTW, How do you REALLY feel about Rudy? lol


31 posted on 03/27/2007 5:43:26 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: VRing

Posting this without explanation as above did a dis-service to your readers. May I inquire as to why you posted it all?


32 posted on 03/27/2007 5:43:29 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Victory in war means winning, unless you are a democ-rat.)
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To: metmom
"This get the drug dealers at all costs cr@p has got to stop. It's not worth what it's doing to innocent citizens."

That'll never happen. It keeps the police, media and the courts busy and blows smoke and mirrors in order to distract the cops and the public.

Just watch shows like Most Wanted, COPS, Most Shocking if you don't think the media loves this stuff...it sells on TV.

Way too many crooked politicians and crooked businesses (lying corporations about their profits that need attention....real attention. The socialist agenda of many in all levels of government who slowly and surely remove almost all rights to the pursuit of life liberty and justice for all Americans.

And Mena, Arkansas is back in business these days too.

I just wish the cops and the government would get a s equally excited about detaining and deporting illegals...especially those that have already been deported and continue to commit other crimes.

33 posted on 03/27/2007 5:46:05 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Al Gator

I am generally not in support of Giuliani at this time. :)


34 posted on 03/27/2007 5:46:18 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - the uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR)
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To: RSmithOpt

</B></I> Turning off html tags...hopefully.


35 posted on 03/27/2007 5:46:56 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Rapscallion

What sort of explanation does your average news article require, in your humble opinion?


36 posted on 03/27/2007 5:47:19 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - the uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR)
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To: RSmithOpt

They shut off automatically when you close out your post.


37 posted on 03/27/2007 5:47:47 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - the uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR)
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To: Red Badger

Near Lake Wobegon?.........

Exactly. I used to live in the area as well - Anoka, Fridley, Columbia Heights. I guess the neighborhood has really gone down hill since the early 60's...


38 posted on 03/27/2007 5:49:43 AM PDT by Paisan
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To: bvw
The Thompsons should file a lawsuit for home invasion, abuse of authority uunder official color, illegal arrest and unlawful imprisonment. Its not about the money - for something good to come from their ordeal, the financial punishment must be so heavy, the cops will think twice about terrorizing innocent people in the future.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

39 posted on 03/27/2007 5:50:40 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: VRing

Botched Paramilitary Police Raids: An Epidemic of "Isolated Incidents"
http://www.cato.org/raidmap/


40 posted on 03/27/2007 5:50:45 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Al Gator
Civility in delivering warrants would return, post haste.

But...but...then the bad people could flush those drugs down the toilet! The constitution is incompatible woth indoor plumbing!

/drug warrior mode

41 posted on 03/27/2007 5:52:06 AM PDT by Wormwood (Future Former Freeper)
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To: bvw
"Anybody f-- moves, you get a boot in the head, understand?"

Compare and contrast:

"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."
--George Orwell, 1984

42 posted on 03/27/2007 5:55:39 AM PDT by Wormwood (Future Former Freeper)
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To: bvw; VRing
A confidential informant..... set up what he and cops thought would be a drug sting targeting Ryan Robert Baker,.....In fact, Baker's intention was to rob the informant without selling him any drugs.....Shortly after 1 p.m. Feb. 16, Baker and the informant....drove to Spring Lake Park. The informant wore a radio transmitter, and cops listened as Baker told him to drive....The police, following from a distance, didn't know where Baker was heading. Baker picked the Thompsons' house, apparently at random.

It looks to me as if, in this instance, the facts do not fit what appear to be preconceived notions.

When they arrive on the scene, the police only know that their informant and Baker are fighting over a wad of cash with an unkown person at a random house picked by Baker.

What are they supposed to do? Politely ask everyone to calm down so they can figure out what's going on? Should they ignore the likelyhood that this is a drug buy going bad, and gunfire may break out at any moment?

I'm sure that they could have been more polite and they could have refrained from cursing (the article does seem to make a big deal out of the officers cursing). It appears to me from the story that they had probable cause to search the house.

The story posted by bvw reads as if it were written by the Thompsons' attorney, to publicise a lawsuit. While I think the WOD is a total failure and that we should "Get Out Now!" (copyright Cindy Sheehan), this incident doesn't sound totally unreasonable. Nobody was shot, and the Thompsons' were not hauled off to jail.

43 posted on 03/27/2007 5:58:33 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: Wormwood

That was the original idea all right.

I guess nobody told the cops, but plumbers have gone high tech since then. I can reach a snake with a video camera down that hopper and search the pipe right up to the point it hits the public main.

Anything between the hopper and the main is guranteed to come from that house. And I promise you, with a good snake, you WILL be able to retrieve evidence.

But hey, we're here to play Rambo, not roto rooter. How effin sexy is that?


44 posted on 03/27/2007 6:05:02 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: jimtorr

"Nobody was shot, and the Thompsons' were not hauled off to jail"

I can't believe what I'm reading.

Boy, did they get off lucky or what? huh?

Let me put YOU and your family through that wringer, we'll see if you are so sanguine about the outcome.

Like a liberal turned conservative, its all very different after you been mugged.


45 posted on 03/27/2007 6:08:15 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: Wormwood; bvw; Joe Brower
Which reminds me, this belongs on this thread:


46 posted on 03/27/2007 6:09:10 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: metmom

And the wife is right; if you sue the cops, who are you going to call next time you need help?



If you need help calling the cops will get you help in about half an hour.

Be smart, plan ahead. Be sure to call the cops half an hour before a burglar tries to break in. >>>>>>>>S<<<<<<<<<


47 posted on 03/27/2007 6:09:54 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: sgtbono2002

Better still, just get in the habit of shooting the bloody hell out of ANYBODY that breaks in your house.


48 posted on 03/27/2007 6:11:38 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: metmom

At least the children weren't there to see all this go down. I would get a really good lawyer, be selling my house & moving asap. If that happened to me I would be having panic attacks without a doubt.


49 posted on 03/27/2007 6:12:20 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: jimtorr
Nobody was shot, and the Thompsons' were not hauled off to jail.

Now there's a consolation worthy of any jackboot. They didn't arrest the innocent homeowner, they didn't kill his dog and they didn't shoot him. How hospitable.

50 posted on 03/27/2007 6:17:22 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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