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A mistake, a raid, a couple terrified
Pioneer Press ^ | 03/27/2007 12:28:02 AM CDT | DAVE ORRICK

Posted on 03/27/2007 5:12:46 AM PDT by VRing

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To: Al Gator
Civility in delivering warrants would return, post haste.

But...but...then the bad people could flush those drugs down the toilet! The constitution is incompatible woth indoor plumbing!

/drug warrior mode

41 posted on 03/27/2007 5:52:06 AM PDT by Wormwood (Future Former Freeper)
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To: bvw
"Anybody f-- moves, you get a boot in the head, understand?"

Compare and contrast:

"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."
--George Orwell, 1984

42 posted on 03/27/2007 5:55:39 AM PDT by Wormwood (Future Former Freeper)
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To: bvw; VRing
A confidential informant..... set up what he and cops thought would be a drug sting targeting Ryan Robert Baker,.....In fact, Baker's intention was to rob the informant without selling him any drugs.....Shortly after 1 p.m. Feb. 16, Baker and the informant....drove to Spring Lake Park. The informant wore a radio transmitter, and cops listened as Baker told him to drive....The police, following from a distance, didn't know where Baker was heading. Baker picked the Thompsons' house, apparently at random.

It looks to me as if, in this instance, the facts do not fit what appear to be preconceived notions.

When they arrive on the scene, the police only know that their informant and Baker are fighting over a wad of cash with an unkown person at a random house picked by Baker.

What are they supposed to do? Politely ask everyone to calm down so they can figure out what's going on? Should they ignore the likelyhood that this is a drug buy going bad, and gunfire may break out at any moment?

I'm sure that they could have been more polite and they could have refrained from cursing (the article does seem to make a big deal out of the officers cursing). It appears to me from the story that they had probable cause to search the house.

The story posted by bvw reads as if it were written by the Thompsons' attorney, to publicise a lawsuit. While I think the WOD is a total failure and that we should "Get Out Now!" (copyright Cindy Sheehan), this incident doesn't sound totally unreasonable. Nobody was shot, and the Thompsons' were not hauled off to jail.

43 posted on 03/27/2007 5:58:33 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: Wormwood

That was the original idea all right.

I guess nobody told the cops, but plumbers have gone high tech since then. I can reach a snake with a video camera down that hopper and search the pipe right up to the point it hits the public main.

Anything between the hopper and the main is guranteed to come from that house. And I promise you, with a good snake, you WILL be able to retrieve evidence.

But hey, we're here to play Rambo, not roto rooter. How effin sexy is that?


44 posted on 03/27/2007 6:05:02 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: jimtorr

"Nobody was shot, and the Thompsons' were not hauled off to jail"

I can't believe what I'm reading.

Boy, did they get off lucky or what? huh?

Let me put YOU and your family through that wringer, we'll see if you are so sanguine about the outcome.

Like a liberal turned conservative, its all very different after you been mugged.


45 posted on 03/27/2007 6:08:15 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: Wormwood; bvw; Joe Brower
Which reminds me, this belongs on this thread:


46 posted on 03/27/2007 6:09:10 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: metmom

And the wife is right; if you sue the cops, who are you going to call next time you need help?



If you need help calling the cops will get you help in about half an hour.

Be smart, plan ahead. Be sure to call the cops half an hour before a burglar tries to break in. >>>>>>>>S<<<<<<<<<


47 posted on 03/27/2007 6:09:54 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: sgtbono2002

Better still, just get in the habit of shooting the bloody hell out of ANYBODY that breaks in your house.


48 posted on 03/27/2007 6:11:38 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: metmom

At least the children weren't there to see all this go down. I would get a really good lawyer, be selling my house & moving asap. If that happened to me I would be having panic attacks without a doubt.


49 posted on 03/27/2007 6:12:20 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: jimtorr
Nobody was shot, and the Thompsons' were not hauled off to jail.

Now there's a consolation worthy of any jackboot. They didn't arrest the innocent homeowner, they didn't kill his dog and they didn't shoot him. How hospitable.

50 posted on 03/27/2007 6:17:22 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: JoeSixPack1
Now there's a consolation worthy of any jackboot. They didn't arrest the innocent homeowner, they didn't kill his dog and they didn't shoot him. How hospitable.

Keep in mind that some Freepers grade liberty on a curve.

51 posted on 03/27/2007 6:18:43 AM PDT by Wormwood (Future Former Freeper)
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To: Wormwood

And that curve starts with the badge and ends at the fire chief's dog. The rest of us can take a gun butt to the head and like it.


52 posted on 03/27/2007 6:23:22 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: jimtorr
The police INSTIGATED this whole near tragedy with their idiotic drug string. They set this savage loose in the neighborhood and let it get completely out of control.

What are they supposed to do? Mitigate crime, not instigate it.

What are they supposed to do? Politely ask everyone to calm down so they can figure out what's going on?

53 posted on 03/27/2007 6:26:21 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

Big advantage here is the homeowner got a good look at the fake undercover guys so he'll be able to obtain satisfaction someday if he wishes.


54 posted on 03/27/2007 6:26:33 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: pandoraou812

No kidding. I have a friend whose husband was arrested on false charges made out of spite, brought by someone they thought was a friend. There was nothing of this sort of behavior, just a visit by a cop and request to go to the station with him. Very civil and low key but it really threw them for a loop, and she was one tough cookie, not the easily shook up kind. I agree, time to move and let the department pick up the costs.


55 posted on 03/27/2007 6:28:59 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: jimtorr
Nobody was shot, and the Thompsons' were not hauled off to jail.

And they were darned lucky. That isn't how most of these situations work out.

56 posted on 03/27/2007 6:30:07 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: DManA
They set this savage loose in the neighborhood and let it get completely out of control.

Precisely!

57 posted on 03/27/2007 6:31:10 AM PDT by Wormwood (Future Former Freeper)
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To: metmom

I know I wouldn't want to stay in that town. If you sue & they really ought to IMO.... their lives will become hell. People who don't know what really went down will think of them as drug dealers, their children will suffer....its time to move asap IMO.


58 posted on 03/27/2007 6:33:38 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: Wormwood
A local talk show host in Dallas was appalled at the lack of public outcry against the recent death of a Dallas police officer killed in the line of duty. Police overkill and bad behavior during misdirected SWAT raids, the perennial use of speed traps and other traffic citations that seem focused on revenue enhancement, and even some of the police behavior seen on the "reality-based" cop shows on TV have eroded the goodwill that should exist between the law-abiding majority and law enforcement. Mistrust of police is no longer confined to the black ghetto, as was the case 30-40 years ago.

America is slowly moving in the direction of a Third World type nation, where the citizens distrust the police and the police regard themselves as being above the law.

59 posted on 03/27/2007 6:36:29 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Wallace T.
America is slowly moving in the direction of a Third World type nation, where the citizens distrust the police and the police regard themselves as being above the law.

I agree with everything you said except the word, "slowly".

60 posted on 03/27/2007 6:40:08 AM PDT by Wormwood (Future Former Freeper)
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