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To: bvw; VRing
A confidential informant..... set up what he and cops thought would be a drug sting targeting Ryan Robert Baker,.....In fact, Baker's intention was to rob the informant without selling him any drugs.....Shortly after 1 p.m. Feb. 16, Baker and the informant....drove to Spring Lake Park. The informant wore a radio transmitter, and cops listened as Baker told him to drive....The police, following from a distance, didn't know where Baker was heading. Baker picked the Thompsons' house, apparently at random.

It looks to me as if, in this instance, the facts do not fit what appear to be preconceived notions.

When they arrive on the scene, the police only know that their informant and Baker are fighting over a wad of cash with an unkown person at a random house picked by Baker.

What are they supposed to do? Politely ask everyone to calm down so they can figure out what's going on? Should they ignore the likelyhood that this is a drug buy going bad, and gunfire may break out at any moment?

I'm sure that they could have been more polite and they could have refrained from cursing (the article does seem to make a big deal out of the officers cursing). It appears to me from the story that they had probable cause to search the house.

The story posted by bvw reads as if it were written by the Thompsons' attorney, to publicise a lawsuit. While I think the WOD is a total failure and that we should "Get Out Now!" (copyright Cindy Sheehan), this incident doesn't sound totally unreasonable. Nobody was shot, and the Thompsons' were not hauled off to jail.

43 posted on 03/27/2007 5:58:33 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: jimtorr

"Nobody was shot, and the Thompsons' were not hauled off to jail"

I can't believe what I'm reading.

Boy, did they get off lucky or what? huh?

Let me put YOU and your family through that wringer, we'll see if you are so sanguine about the outcome.

Like a liberal turned conservative, its all very different after you been mugged.


45 posted on 03/27/2007 6:08:15 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: jimtorr
Nobody was shot, and the Thompsons' were not hauled off to jail.

Now there's a consolation worthy of any jackboot. They didn't arrest the innocent homeowner, they didn't kill his dog and they didn't shoot him. How hospitable.

50 posted on 03/27/2007 6:17:22 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: jimtorr
The police INSTIGATED this whole near tragedy with their idiotic drug string. They set this savage loose in the neighborhood and let it get completely out of control.

What are they supposed to do? Mitigate crime, not instigate it.

What are they supposed to do? Politely ask everyone to calm down so they can figure out what's going on?

53 posted on 03/27/2007 6:26:21 AM PDT by DManA
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To: jimtorr
Nobody was shot, and the Thompsons' were not hauled off to jail.

And they were darned lucky. That isn't how most of these situations work out.

56 posted on 03/27/2007 6:30:07 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: jimtorr
"When they arrive on the scene, the police only know that their informant and Baker are fighting over a wad of cash with an unkown person at a random house picked by Baker."

No. When they arrive on the scene, the unknown person has Baker subdued and up against the wall. The unknown person's wife is on the phone with the 911 dispatch. That's the person the cops threatened to shoot in the f'n head.

"What are they supposed to do? Politely ask everyone to calm down so they can figure out what's going on?

Yes. " Should they ignore the likelyhood that this is a drug buy going bad, and gunfire may break out at any moment?"

No.

"I'm sure that they could have been more polite and they could have refrained from cursing (the article does seem to make a big deal out of the officers cursing).

Yeah, it seems the folks at the paper expected to see a level of professionalism that wasn't displayed in this incident.

" It appears to me from the story that they had probable cause to search the house."

They had zero probable cause. The perps had never entered the house and I'm sure the homeowner didn't act like a bad guy. Neither did his wife, who was on the phone with the 911 dispatch center. That alone would should have been their clue, that the home was not a drug store. Don't think the dispatcher and the cops did not have contact, they did.

" The story posted by bvw reads as if it were written by the Thompsons' attorney, to publicise a lawsuit. "

So? They deserve to be both sued and reprimanded.

"Nobody was shot, and the Thompsons' were not hauled off to jail."

Whoopty do. The Thompson's were assaulted by thugs at gunpoint, and they were not given the coutesy a citizen deserves. Furthermore the cops were led by a team of criminals, and didn't pay attn to that fact, or their own wire. The conversation over the wire didn't included the homeowner, and at the time of the officer's approach, the homeowner had both up against the wall. It's clear the LEOs iinvolved, especially the one in charge are incompetent and failed to recognize the reality of the situation. Instead they insisted on playing hard core. There were no exigent circumatances here, only a complete failure to act as professionals.

62 posted on 03/27/2007 6:54:51 AM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: jimtorr

It appears to me from the story that they had probable cause to search the house.

Are you crazy!!?? They didn't know anything about the house, by your logic the police should search every house they don't know is being investigated for drug activity!

If anyone without a badge did what these thugs did that person would be in prison for kidnapping, assault with a deadly weapon, breaking and entering, terroristic threats, and on and on.
No what these "LEO's" did was extremely and clearly criminal.


80 posted on 03/27/2007 10:00:36 AM PDT by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: jimtorr
What are they supposed to do? Politely ask everyone to calm down so they can figure out what's going on? Should they ignore the likelyhood that this is a drug buy going bad, and gunfire may break out at any moment?

that is EXACTLY what they should have done. In 5 minutes everything would have been figured out and the cops could have taken their two stooges off this guys property, after an apology of course.

99 posted on 03/27/2007 10:48:25 AM PDT by fnord (If gun owners, pot smokers, and poker players start a political party, they'd never lose an election)
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To: jimtorr
What are they supposed to do? Politely ask everyone to calm down so they can figure out what's going on?

That would certainly be a nice start.

113 posted on 03/27/2007 7:00:17 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: jimtorr
Okay, one can, and you do, argue that the police did, given circumstance once occurring on that porch, act properly.

I can even agree with you in hypothetical.

In instant case, no, they did not act properly once situation went down, imo, from the write ups description. Steroid-abuser style policing. Lucky, very lucky no dogs killed, and damn lucky no people killed.

But that's not anywhere near as significant as what set up the situation up to that point.

They set themselves up for trouble, six ways from Sunday. and they got it. They f-d up everybody.

117 posted on 03/27/2007 8:22:06 PM PDT by bvw
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