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How the Falklands War was won
The Daily Telegraph ^ | 27/03/2007 | Michael Novak

Posted on 03/27/2007 5:46:57 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

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1 posted on 03/27/2007 5:47:00 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I wonder if the British could have fought that war with today's 24/7 media.


2 posted on 03/27/2007 5:48:50 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan

I wonder if Brits could win a real/life war, like enemz that have carriers some 1,000 tanks, subs and 500 fighter jets...

I doubt it.


3 posted on 03/27/2007 5:54:11 AM PDT by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: mainepatsfan

Blair should take a copy of these articles with him for morning re-reading.


4 posted on 03/27/2007 5:55:07 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: mainepatsfan

I noticed the bit about the press and the subs and the forcing of the night attack.

I think the press is glad the enemy reads their stories.


5 posted on 03/27/2007 5:58:40 AM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Blair is no Margaret Thatcher and his Labour Party has its full share of anti-war and appeasement types. Blair may talk tough, but has neither the military power nor more importantly the political will to get anything done. Sadly the same thing is happening to the US particularly with the political will part.


6 posted on 03/27/2007 5:59:15 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: kronos77

Not without us.


7 posted on 03/27/2007 6:00:28 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: kronos77

Thought that was real-life.

Anyway which enemy do you suggest?


8 posted on 03/27/2007 6:01:09 AM PDT by Jack_Macca
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I was too young when that war was fought to remember it. How much coverage did our media give it?


9 posted on 03/27/2007 6:01:32 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan
It's a miracle the UK won the war, with their own domestic enemy (the BBC) doing everything possible to undermine military operations.

You can bet your life that if Margaret Thatcher were still PM, she wouldn't be wringing her hands about how 'very serious' the current situation with Iran is, 'negotiating', let alone go crawling to the Russians seeking their 'help'.

I'd be willing to bet that Ahmadinejad's corpse would still be smoking if the Iron Lady were in charge today.
10 posted on 03/27/2007 6:01:59 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

As I recall first time the general public became aware of the Harrier "jump-jet"..which was already in the U.S.Marines' arsenal.


11 posted on 03/27/2007 6:02:32 AM PDT by Dixiekraut (Convey)
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To: PeteB570

Sad but true.


12 posted on 03/27/2007 6:03:46 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: sukhoi-30mki
I still have this magazine. One of my all-time favorite covers:


13 posted on 03/27/2007 6:04:14 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (?El proletariado del mundo, une! - Xuygo Chavez)
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To: The Great RJ

And the Iranians know it.


14 posted on 03/27/2007 6:04:31 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan
With the BBC World service announcing that a British parachute battalion was poised to take Goose Green, Lt-Col "H" Jones, the CO of 2 Para, realized all hope of a surprise attack was lost and ordered his men to attack that night.

Then, as now, the MSM works diligently to aid the enemy.

15 posted on 03/27/2007 6:04:35 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: mainepatsfan

Since the British were repelling an invasion from a dictatorship nobody particularly liked, there was little controversial about the Falklands war.

I remember being glued to my TV watching CNN's reports from British TV. So the Falklands war was perhaps the first one covered by 24x7 media, and I think we can say today's media wouldn't have covered it any differently.

D


16 posted on 03/27/2007 6:04:40 AM PDT by daviddennis (If you like my stuff, please visit amazing.com, my new social networking site!)
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To: mainepatsfan

You mean those opinionated editorials with high gloss pictures and shock effect that claim to be news?


17 posted on 03/27/2007 6:05:54 AM PDT by Red6 (Come and get it.)
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To: mainepatsfan

It got good coverage...after all it was a bizarre situation in the post Vietnam era to see two western nations going at each other .


18 posted on 03/27/2007 6:06:02 AM PDT by Dixiekraut (Convey)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

"Blair is no Margaret Thatcher".
Maybe not, but I think he is Maggie's equal and just as determined.


19 posted on 03/27/2007 6:10:18 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: mkjessup

I was working with a bunch of folks from the UK when the Iraq war began. They told me they were thrilled they didn't have to get the war coverage from the BBC (a lot of them were ex military).


20 posted on 03/27/2007 6:10:35 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: kronos77
Against a real power like Iran without our assistance? not a chance. It's nothing against them, they just have completely gutted their armed forces. In a few years there navy will barely be able to be considered a coastal defense fleet.
21 posted on 03/27/2007 6:11:06 AM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I recently spent 2 weeks in the U.K. (sadly) on business.

It was incredible to me just how many of the English people have zero pride
in their own nation - I mean zero.

It's almost as if they emulate the dark dreary weather they live in every day.

I was really surprised at how little energy the nation has, how little muchizmo there was in the men alone.

It can turn around - but it's going to take a rock solid leader with rock solid strength to do it.


22 posted on 03/27/2007 6:13:04 AM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: VeniVidiVici

I'm sure George Lucas did as well.


23 posted on 03/27/2007 6:14:26 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: Jack_Macca

I suggest any enemy that is not latin-american dictatorship armed with WWII US relic cruiser and with more than 7 Antiship missiles.

Argentinians did several stupidities:

1. failed to extend runway on Falklands so that it could lounch Mirage and Super Etendar and Skyhawk Jets
2. get more Exocet missiles
3. Organise circular perimeter defence on Falklands.

Wrong usage of Airforce

1. Mirages were used from minladn thus fighting on max range of jets, having 30 minutes of combat time.
2. Attacking Destroyers and friggates (with succes) instead of landing ships, troop carriers and carriers themselves.
3. Absence of heawy artillery on falklans.
4. absece of significant fortifications
5. usage of recruits on Falklands that were one month in service instead of veteran soldiers.

Britts have luck to fight morones.

Anyway, British fleet hade problems. Just as how many propellers were in usage on their carriers? carriers hade propulsion problem.


24 posted on 03/27/2007 6:14:33 AM PDT by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: spikeytx86

Barring their nukes.


25 posted on 03/27/2007 6:14:37 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: spikeytx86

True. Iran would kick Britts asses.
What assauld fleet UK have?
carriers?
LPDs?

Gulf is so narrow that Iran dont need to use AS missiles, just regular mavericks or simmilar...

And in fleet-to-fleet clash, ....wawes would rule Brittania...


26 posted on 03/27/2007 6:17:53 AM PDT by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: 6SJ7

Cripes. They're our enemies best source of intel.


27 posted on 03/27/2007 6:17:53 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: kronos77

I think some British admiral told Thatcher that,if the carrier Invincible was damaged or sunk,things would be become very difficult.If the Hermes was hit,it would be all over.


28 posted on 03/27/2007 6:18:06 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: daviddennis

So know one was buying the Argentinian claim that they were just liberating the islands from European imperialism?


29 posted on 03/27/2007 6:19:02 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: sukhoi-30mki
I highly doubt Britain would even launch if their home island were threatened.
30 posted on 03/27/2007 6:19:12 AM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: kronos77

They have 2 carriers, I believe they are STOVL carriers though. And I think within a decade or 2 they will be down to 1. They are about to mothball some 200 naval vessels, so I dont know how much longer Britian will even be able to project force in the european theater let alone in far off lands.


31 posted on 03/27/2007 6:21:31 AM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: spikeytx86

Why would they fight Iran?
Londonistan is Mecca for Islamists anyhows...

I sugest that USA bomb london. If you level London, it would destroy islamism in Europe.

Than bomb Paris...


32 posted on 03/27/2007 6:22:10 AM PDT by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: kronos77

I wouldn't sell the British short.


33 posted on 03/27/2007 6:25:49 AM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: kronos77

I'm sure I read somewhere that Britain went halfway around the world - a couple of hundred miles away from a another nation and won.

If you would have wanted the dictatorship to win then fine - it's a free country.

As for Iran, you are right, Britain could not go to Iran and win conventionally. As Vietnam or lebanon showed even if you are better regiment to regiment other factors mean you fail.

But then you are presuming Britain would have to go to Iran. Could Iran come to the UK and win - erm no.


34 posted on 03/27/2007 6:25:50 AM PDT by Jack_Macca
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To: Jack_Macca

True...
There are enough Islamist in Iran, they dont need Londonista ones...


35 posted on 03/27/2007 6:28:07 AM PDT by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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I sugest that USA bomb london.

I have just joined so no-one would listen, but I find that very offensive.

As well as Israel and Australia, there is no other nation on God's Earth that puts it's young people alongside Americans to die if necessary for what it believes in.

36 posted on 03/27/2007 6:29:49 AM PDT by Jack_Macca
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To: mainepatsfan

CNN was in its infancy then but I remember waking up early every morning to watch live reports from a CNN reporter on board a British ship. Once, the ship lauched Sea Sparrows unexpectedly at incoming aircraft and I know he filled his shorts.


37 posted on 03/27/2007 6:30:10 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (Hajjis HATE the waterboard! It can turn a clam into a canary so fast Harry Potter would be jealous.)
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To: kronos77

"Wrong usage of Airforce "

Right on. Had it not been for the phenominal bravery of the Argy A-4 drivers, there would have been no war at all.

Those guys deserve credit for how they executed in the face of all stupidity by their superiors.

Many of them knew that they were at the extreme limit of their range, but stayed focused and on mission, in spite of the problems.

US training in the spotlight.


38 posted on 03/27/2007 6:33:17 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
...to take part in the race south.

What?!? Was Novak born yesterday? I followed that little war closely and the talk at the time was how slow and deliberate the Brits were taking things, in order to give diplomacy time to work. It took forever for the fleet to arrive at the Falklands once it left England. The Argentines were given every opportunity to reconsider.

39 posted on 03/27/2007 6:33:48 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: CholeraJoe

Did they have any correspondents in Argentina?


40 posted on 03/27/2007 6:34:12 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I remember when the Faulkland war was fought. A British "Vulcan" bomber had been in a local aircraft museum for a long time (I remember seeing it for as long as I can remember). Some British technicians flew in and spent a couple of weeks getting it ready to fly. Then it flew out of here to augment the warplanes being used in the Faulkland war.

I understand that they used something like 8 bombers for each mission of one or two that actually dropped bombs. They would use the others as tankers, carrying no bombs, but carrying as much fuel as possible. They would leave from England and some would refuel the others then turn around and head for home. Only the last one or two would make it all the way.

What a way to fight a war.


41 posted on 03/27/2007 6:34:37 AM PDT by jim_trent
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To: sukhoi-30mki
This should be widely read by not only Tony Blair, but also the British citizens and their representatives. Britain has cut its military severely and is no the verge of cutting it even more. Soon, if this trend continues, Britain truly will not have the ability to project force and will only be able to use harsh language.
42 posted on 03/27/2007 6:35:14 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: spikeytx86

They have 2 active light carriers,with one mothballed.The problem is that these have little real airdefence capability after having retired their SeaHarrier fleet.


43 posted on 03/27/2007 6:35:29 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: jim_trent

I recently saw a show about the war on the military channel. I was just as impressed with the logistical aspect of it as I was with the actual combat.


44 posted on 03/27/2007 6:36:35 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: Al Gator

Argentinians were extremly brave pilots, one even tried to attack carrier with Pucara.

A-4s could do much serious damege if they hade Maverick missiles or even older Bullpup missiles.

With 20-30 Exocets Etendars could sink carriers. and if based on Falklands Brits wouldnt even get near falklands.


45 posted on 03/27/2007 6:36:52 AM PDT by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: mainepatsfan

I don't remember any but I expect Spanish language TV had one or two in BA.


46 posted on 03/27/2007 6:37:25 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (Hajjis HATE the waterboard! It can turn a clam into a canary so fast Harry Potter would be jealous.)
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To: kronos77

The reason the Brits won in the Falklands was because when push comes to shove, Tommy can fight.

The British soldier can be one of the most stubborn stalwarts when the chips are down.

The UK politicos and civie heathen may be weak and feckless, but Tommy can fight.


47 posted on 03/27/2007 6:40:09 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: kronos77

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War


48 posted on 03/27/2007 6:40:26 AM PDT by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: kronos77

You almost get the impression that the Argentinians had no military plans beyond taking the islands.


49 posted on 03/27/2007 6:40:38 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: CholeraJoe

I ask because I was just wondering how the MSM dealt with the Argentinian propaganda.


50 posted on 03/27/2007 6:42:20 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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