Skip to comments.How the Falklands War was won
Posted on 03/27/2007 5:46:57 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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"Blair is no Margaret Thatcher".
Maybe not, but I think he is Maggie's equal and just as determined."
Sorry, no comparison. What is worse, the UK simply does not have the ability to wage war any more. Their Army is half the size of our Marine Corp and their navy forces in the theater are 1 frigate and 3 minesweepers.....
The only way they could act would be with specops and with our help.
Remember, they are partly responsible as their rules of engagement mandated surendering those folk when confronted.
Predictably, the "Daily Worker" American Communist Party crowd were taking that line. I remember arguing with some guy trying to sell the rag on the street over it. But that was mostly reflexive anti-American/anti-Reagan/anti-Thatcher sentiment rather than a seriously thought out position.
Every conflict, battle or war has it's mistakes and luck. I think you will find all those topics written by British writers soon after the War.
To say that history "has granted the Brits a lot of plain old good luck" sounds out of place in your excellent and informative post.
As well as silly, it seems to be quite emotive and grudging. Every victor in sport, business or war gets lucky. This is why the SAS say "Who Dares Wins"!
"... Until one is committed, there is hesitancy, the chance to draw back, always ineffectiveness. Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way. I learned a deep respect for one of Goethe's couplets:
Whatever you can do or dream you can, begin it.
Boldness has genius, power and magic in it! "
I'd take what people say to a visiting American with a pinch of salt. It's not for nothing the Aussies call us 'whingeing Poms'! Lovely weather at the moment by the way!
I take everything I say with a pinch of salt.
No offense intended - I hope it wasn't taken.
I think this Jim_Trent is too nutty, he believes everything he reads in the Internet, it doesn't matter who wrote it. Having been around all sort aircrafts, me don't think it's easy to restore a Vulcan B.2 to fight a war that quick.
Tommyjo, do you know how many Vulcan B.2 was in service before start of the Falkland war?
At the time, the mission was the longest bombing mission in history.
Nice photo gallery.
"Their intelligence service nearly rivals that of Israel."
What the Israeli intelligence that was so on the ball regarding Hezbollah last year?
I'm sure the British would be thrilled with the comparison.
Well that's a fault with military historians around the world.About the AIM-9L being decisive,well lets not ignore the Harrier.It had excellent agility & besides,if it wasn't there,the missiles would have been of no use.
What about the GR.7s?
They can carry Sidewinders and ASRAAMs. Moreover, they also can carry Aden gun pods.
Maggie was tougher than Tony is!
They are upgrading the GR.7s to the GR.9 standard.It can carry ASRAAMs,but they don't even have a radar,so no BVR-weapons & they are heavier than the SeaHarriers.They wouldn't stand a chance against most opponents with those weapons.The SeaHarrier FA.2 armed with the Blue Vixen radar & AMRAAM was generally regarded as the best fighter in Europe till about 8 years ago.Those have been retired.
Stupid move as it leaves a considerable gap until the F-35 is delivered to the Royal Navy.
This couldn't be further from the truth. Where are you getting this info?
The integration of ASRAAM onto UK Harriers was abandoned. The only air-to-air missile is the Sidewinder.
Although the Aden gun pods are carried they don't actually have any guns in them.
The UK version of the AV-8B doesn't have any cannon fit and can't carry the original 30mm Aden. The plans were for the development of the Aden 25mm cannon. That is what you see sometimes carried on the UK Harriers. No cannons are in them and it acts as aerodynamic aid. Sometimes they are replaced with the strakes. The last UK Harriers to carry cannons was the Sea Harriers. They carried the original 30mm Adens in pods. They are all retired now from active UK service.
Thanks for the info. I'm afraid Jim would have been inventing history if he believes that a Vulcan was taken out of the Offutt museum because of the Falklands. The refuelling probes were taken off Vulcans in the U.S. but that is as far as it went.
All the Sea Harrier Mirage/Dagger encounters that resulted in kills were from the rear-aspect. The Mirage/Daggers were less manoeverable and couldn't turn inside the Sea Harriers.
The Sea Harriers manoeverability was proved time and time against French Mirage in exercises. The work up exercises with the French also proved this. The Sea Harriers had also exercised against F-15s and F-5s in the UK.
The only thing that the Mirage/Dagger had advantage on was their superior speed. They had early Sidewinders and Israeli Shafrirs and Matra 530s. The AIM-9Gs that were already in UK service would have been suffice in those encounters. The AIM-9Ls were already in UK service, but assigned to NATO stocks.
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