Skip to comments.How the Falklands War was won
Posted on 03/27/2007 5:46:57 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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"Blair is no Margaret Thatcher".
Maybe not, but I think he is Maggie's equal and just as determined."
Sorry, no comparison. What is worse, the UK simply does not have the ability to wage war any more. Their Army is half the size of our Marine Corp and their navy forces in the theater are 1 frigate and 3 minesweepers.....
The only way they could act would be with specops and with our help.
Remember, they are partly responsible as their rules of engagement mandated surendering those folk when confronted.
Predictably, the "Daily Worker" American Communist Party crowd were taking that line. I remember arguing with some guy trying to sell the rag on the street over it. But that was mostly reflexive anti-American/anti-Reagan/anti-Thatcher sentiment rather than a seriously thought out position.
Every conflict, battle or war has it's mistakes and luck. I think you will find all those topics written by British writers soon after the War.
To say that history "has granted the Brits a lot of plain old good luck" sounds out of place in your excellent and informative post.
As well as silly, it seems to be quite emotive and grudging. Every victor in sport, business or war gets lucky. This is why the SAS say "Who Dares Wins"!
"... Until one is committed, there is hesitancy, the chance to draw back, always ineffectiveness. Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way. I learned a deep respect for one of Goethe's couplets:
Whatever you can do or dream you can, begin it.
Boldness has genius, power and magic in it! "
I'd take what people say to a visiting American with a pinch of salt. It's not for nothing the Aussies call us 'whingeing Poms'! Lovely weather at the moment by the way!
I take everything I say with a pinch of salt.
No offense intended - I hope it wasn't taken.
I think this Jim_Trent is too nutty, he believes everything he reads in the Internet, it doesn't matter who wrote it. Having been around all sort aircrafts, me don't think it's easy to restore a Vulcan B.2 to fight a war that quick.
Tommyjo, do you know how many Vulcan B.2 was in service before start of the Falkland war?
At the time, the mission was the longest bombing mission in history.
Nice photo gallery.
"Their intelligence service nearly rivals that of Israel."
What the Israeli intelligence that was so on the ball regarding Hezbollah last year?
I'm sure the British would be thrilled with the comparison.
Well that's a fault with military historians around the world.About the AIM-9L being decisive,well lets not ignore the Harrier.It had excellent agility & besides,if it wasn't there,the missiles would have been of no use.
What about the GR.7s?
They can carry Sidewinders and ASRAAMs. Moreover, they also can carry Aden gun pods.
Maggie was tougher than Tony is!
They are upgrading the GR.7s to the GR.9 standard.It can carry ASRAAMs,but they don't even have a radar,so no BVR-weapons & they are heavier than the SeaHarriers.They wouldn't stand a chance against most opponents with those weapons.The SeaHarrier FA.2 armed with the Blue Vixen radar & AMRAAM was generally regarded as the best fighter in Europe till about 8 years ago.Those have been retired.
Stupid move as it leaves a considerable gap until the F-35 is delivered to the Royal Navy.
This couldn't be further from the truth. Where are you getting this info?
The integration of ASRAAM onto UK Harriers was abandoned. The only air-to-air missile is the Sidewinder.
Although the Aden gun pods are carried they don't actually have any guns in them.
The UK version of the AV-8B doesn't have any cannon fit and can't carry the original 30mm Aden. The plans were for the development of the Aden 25mm cannon. That is what you see sometimes carried on the UK Harriers. No cannons are in them and it acts as aerodynamic aid. Sometimes they are replaced with the strakes. The last UK Harriers to carry cannons was the Sea Harriers. They carried the original 30mm Adens in pods. They are all retired now from active UK service.
Thanks for the info. I'm afraid Jim would have been inventing history if he believes that a Vulcan was taken out of the Offutt museum because of the Falklands. The refuelling probes were taken off Vulcans in the U.S. but that is as far as it went.
All the Sea Harrier Mirage/Dagger encounters that resulted in kills were from the rear-aspect. The Mirage/Daggers were less manoeverable and couldn't turn inside the Sea Harriers.
The Sea Harriers manoeverability was proved time and time against French Mirage in exercises. The work up exercises with the French also proved this. The Sea Harriers had also exercised against F-15s and F-5s in the UK.
The only thing that the Mirage/Dagger had advantage on was their superior speed. They had early Sidewinders and Israeli Shafrirs and Matra 530s. The AIM-9Gs that were already in UK service would have been suffice in those encounters. The AIM-9Ls were already in UK service, but assigned to NATO stocks.
I'd post a pic of it but can't remember how. Any help out there?
It would be a serious mistake to underestimate the Brits. While they may not have the depth of resources that the United States Armed Forces have, or for that matter several other countries, the British soldier is still a tough SOB who will simply not stop. Their surface fleet is getting depleted (and while they may be getting some advanced ships, like the PAAMs system, their navy is getting diluted due to funding cuts), but going against the RN means contending with the fact that there might be some British sub trailing you. And that is not a very healthy proposition.
You'd probably have to load it onto an on-line photo album and then link it here.
The four squadrons at RAF Waddington had 8 aircraft each. Out of those 32 airframes 10 were chosen to be made fully ready for use in the conflict. The RAF was in the process of retiring the Vulcans by the summer of 1982.
"I recently spent 2 weeks in the U.K. (sadly) on business.
It was incredible to me just how many of the English people have zero pride
in their own nation - I mean zero."
What parts of the UK did you get to see? Also the UK is made up of 4 nations, being the English, Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish. There is pride in the UK, but little nationalism. This was used during the days of the Empire. Times are now different.
In military terms, the war showed the limits of the British armed forces. In political terms it gave Thatcher another term in office.
Might I point out that as its the 25 year anniversary,a little humility and commemoration might be in order. Brave soldiers from both sides lost lives, gained reputations and made careers. Whatever other agenda's people might have on this thread are insignificant, as its the soldiers from the UK and Argentina that must be honoured before any virtual points scoring.
"It's almost as if they emulate the dark dreary weather they live in every day"
Easy misconception to make is that the UK is dreary and rainy. It has no less, or greater, rainfall than New York State or Massachusetts. Oh and if I may use your meteorogical analogy what does the Massachusetts thunderstorms and blizzards (having spent some time there at Uni) say about the US?
"I sugest that USA bomb london. If you level London, it would destroy islamism in Europe.
Than bomb Paris..."
Just wondering where you are from Mr Kronos? Being a UK'er, I take exception to your suggestion that the US should bomb London. Thats over 12 million people.
Why the name Kronos? If its in reference to the father of Zeus, and son of Uranus, you may want to reconsider. There are strong tones of an Oedipal Complex in his myth don't you know.
Ahh ok, Serbia. Enough said. While I dont agree, I can see the cause for such hostility.