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To: sukhoi-30mki

I recently spent 2 weeks in the U.K. (sadly) on business.

It was incredible to me just how many of the English people have zero pride
in their own nation - I mean zero.

It's almost as if they emulate the dark dreary weather they live in every day.

I was really surprised at how little energy the nation has, how little muchizmo there was in the men alone.

It can turn around - but it's going to take a rock solid leader with rock solid strength to do it.


22 posted on 03/27/2007 6:13:04 AM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: Jake The Goose
"zero pride"

Not exactly true. When visiting in-laws with my English born wife last September, we spent some time with some of her older cousins. I was struck by the fact that the men, from separate houses, had pictures of figurines of planes and ships from WWII in their living rooms. One even quizzed me on my knowledge of WWII planes. They bemoaned the changes that had happened in England since their youth. One night in my sister and brother in-law's house we all watched a giant celebration of Britain held at Hyde Park, and my in-laws sang along to the patriotic songs. I assumed all was not lost.

83 posted on 03/27/2007 8:02:58 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Jake The Goose

I'd take what people say to a visiting American with a pinch of salt. It's not for nothing the Aussies call us 'whingeing Poms'! Lovely weather at the moment by the way!


105 posted on 03/27/2007 2:31:51 PM PDT by pau1f0rd (Still more majestic shalt thou rise, More dreadful from each foreign stroke.)
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To: Jake The Goose

"I recently spent 2 weeks in the U.K. (sadly) on business.

It was incredible to me just how many of the English people have zero pride
in their own nation - I mean zero."

What parts of the UK did you get to see? Also the UK is made up of 4 nations, being the English, Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish. There is pride in the UK, but little nationalism. This was used during the days of the Empire. Times are now different.

In military terms, the war showed the limits of the British armed forces. In political terms it gave Thatcher another term in office.

Might I point out that as its the 25 year anniversary,a little humility and commemoration might be in order. Brave soldiers from both sides lost lives, gained reputations and made careers. Whatever other agenda's people might have on this thread are insignificant, as its the soldiers from the UK and Argentina that must be honoured before any virtual points scoring.

"It's almost as if they emulate the dark dreary weather they live in every day"

Easy misconception to make is that the UK is dreary and rainy. It has no less, or greater, rainfall than New York State or Massachusetts. Oh and if I may use your meteorogical analogy what does the Massachusetts thunderstorms and blizzards (having spent some time there at Uni) say about the US?


125 posted on 04/02/2007 6:11:18 AM PDT by Rikstir
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