Posted on 03/27/2007 6:32:11 AM PDT by pissant
"Rudy, you are a fraud"
Yep.
Hmmmmmm....it's hard, so many good ones.....but I'll try to pick my fave slogan.
OK--this is it:
"Vote for Rudy.....he will grab your gun, and flood the country with illegals, but he probably will not raise taxes"
LOL----if you add "Rudy will also give you government money for as many abortions as you want"----that says it all.
Noted, thank you : )
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I'm sorry, miscommunication.
Rudy is not a "social conservative", is my point. He's a fiscal/political conservative.
So when the social Cs tell the rest, "If you disagree with me on X, then you are a traiterous liberal!
apparently you did not read what i said:
i could care less about rudi.
i just do not want another clinton in the white house.
No, I mean CONSERVATIVE- of any stripe. Anti-crime (mostly), pro business, anti-bureacracy and pro military. All sounds good so far. The rest comes in left of center.
Lets leave out the morality of Abortion and Gay "rights":
Where does he stand on the following:
Hate Crimes legislation (anti-constitutional)
Gun control (anti-constitutional)
Illegal Immigration (anti american)
Global Warming (Anti-business leftist wet dream)
History of Judges (not good)
Support for democratic candidates (leftism)
Support of the GOP platform (weak)
Condoms for schoolkids (leftism)
Free speech (mixed record)
Extorting legal businesses (sued tobacco and firearms manufacturers)
Gov't paid abortions: (leftism)
Welfare for illegal aliens (criminal)
Good judge of charater (questionable)
Federal $$ for daycare (leftism)
Freedom = authority (nuts)
calls himself Progressive (leftism)
Considered Goldwater a Bircher (nuts)
Hate Crimes Legislation (leftism)
Rekindler of "rockefeller tradition" - his words(leftism)
Solicited the Liberal Party nomination (lefism)
Supporter of Bill Weld for 1996 GOP nominee (liberal)
Rent Control advocate (leftism)
Roe V. Wade is "good law" (anti-constitutional)
see #207
I'm curious - do you consider Bush and the previous GOP Congress to be fiscal conservatives?
'Rudy is not a "social conservative", is my point. He's a fiscal/political conservative. '
I don't buy into that philosophy either. As I said earlier, he does not have a good enough track record to be called a fiscal conservative. I also take issue with calling our constitutional rights social conservative issues. If anything, there should be another category called constitutional conservative. This category would involve things like the second amendment, asset forfeiture, illegal search & seizure, property rights, states rights and judicial philosophies.
These are not social issues. In these categories, Rudy fails miserably.
Rudy is all of those, and that makes him a fiscal conservative.
So, calling him a 'liberal' cuz you disagree with him on some issues is just name-calling, and not helping your cause. :-) In my opinion, of course.
Plenty of "real conservatives" are willing to vote Rudy in the general election if it comes down to him v. a hated D like Hilly.
Because at least he's fiscal conservative.
Heck, no.
And yet I voted for him/them several times. Like with Rudy. If the total package suggests someone who would do a good job, then I'll vote that person in even if I don't agree with many of their positions.
In fact, I'd be willing to bet that the true story of 06 was that the 'contract with america' voters who gave the Rs their majority in the first place finally largely got fed up and didn't vote R this time.
Like I said earlier, if you're opposed to Rudy, this is where you should strike.
If you want to sway some of this support away from Rudy, which ya'll have not managed to do yet, you need to listen to what the Rudy supporters are saying and address that.
Calling Rudy and his supporters names like "traiterous liberal" is not going to win you any hearts and minds. They know they're not liberal, so when you mistakenly call them that they think you have no idea what's really going on.
Well, you can be a pro war liberal. Lieberman comes to mind. You can be pro business liberal, Bill Gates comes to mind. And you can be a anti-bureacracy libertarian (Harry Browne, Ron Paul--take your pick).
So it does not follow that Rudy is a fiscal conservative because of his 3 or 4 or 5 good points.
Nevertheless, I can say he has SOME conservative leanings. You can call him what you wish.
"Vote for Rudy... Because every City should be a liberal hell hole like New York."
"Vote for Rudy... Union Approved."
No thanks. I'd rather Hunter, Thompson, or Paul get the GOP nod instead of letting the MSM and a bunch of paid partisan shills elect a RINO for us...
A marriage is a lifetime commitment between a man and a woman. What Rudy believes in is a form of semi-legitimized shacking-up intended to last until someone better comes along.
From what I have ready, spending under Rudy outstripped the rate of inflation after 1995. And he borrowed heavily and increased NYC's debt load. So how, then, is Rudy a fiscal conservative if Bush is not?
Bill Gates isn't a pro-business L . . . he's not pro-business at all. He *hates* competition and does his best to make sure he never has to actually compete in the marketplace.
For 'political conservatism', the defining traits are smaller govt, fiscal responsibility, local control, strong defense.
If someone like Rudy scores 100% on those key issues, then he/she is a "political conservative".
And agreed, we can all call anyone anything we want. But if I go in to a store and tell people "don't buy that plasma TV" and I'm pointing at a projection screen TV, then they aren't going to take me seriously.
If anti-Rudy folks want to begin being persuasive, they need to stop it with the "If you don't agree with us on X, you're a Liberal!".
I wish ya'll would spend 1/2 the time you spend attacking Rudy and Rudy supporters on selling Newt or Hunter! Every time Rudy comes up, say, "Yeah, that's ok, but Hunter is better cuz . . . " and turn the conversation.
One of the larger whoppers I've read at FR. Ridiculous, at best. Not to remember the monthly parade of corruption and scandal, much of it effecting national security, you must have been in diapers in the '90's.
His supporters are just as bad, maybe even worse...
So Rudy supporters are all liars and scumbags now? If you're that angry, there are medical professionals that can help.
You must have noticed it is not X I am talking about. It's A thru W. That is Rudy's albatross. Defend him if you like.
If Bill Gates is a bad example, there are many libs running corporations and investment houses that meet the criteria.
Hunter needs little defending. But there are very few articles to post on him, since he isn't one of the big three...yet. I've posted dozens of articles that I could find.
And I'm not attacking Rudy supporters, I'm cutting Rudy off at the knees. If you feel guilt by association, sorry. LOL
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