Posted on 03/27/2007 6:32:11 AM PDT by pissant
But I will do everything in my power to ensure that never happens!
Yes they did. And it just goes to show you what a dishonest no good RINO Rudy is, to make such misleading statements when WE all know that he is nuthin' but a gun grabbin', baby killin' cross dressin' LIBRUL.
I can only hold my nose for so long before I have to take a breath. Since I'm not a mouth breather, I have to let go of my nose at some point.
When would you say that point is? When a liberal with an 'R' behind his name gets the nod?
They are like battered wives who just 'can't' leave the mutt who beats the crap out of them. They keep making excuses for the abuser with junk like, 'Well.. he'll change. He'll stop beating me - he told me so'.This past weekend I Googled 'codependency' and 'Alcoholism' (the Rudybots were getting unusually wacky on a thread) and what popped up describes the Rudy Rooters word for word.Or like the family of an Alcoholic, they are enablers and are codependent on-with-to the Drunken sot. They too make excuse after excuse for the bum.
Miss a family gathering, make an excuse - 'He's sick with the flu.' Miss work due to a hangover - They call in sick for the bum. They'll hide the bum in the basement and feed him booze as long as he doesn't publicly embarrass the family. And when he does, which he will - here come the excuses, fast and furious.
THIS is the exact pathology of the Rudy Rooters, down to a 'T'. Rudy can beat them or embarrass them and it's excuse, after excuse, after excuse. 'He'll change', 'He said', 'It's different now,' etc, etc, etc.
(I had a friend (mentor) die of Alcoholism, his family enabled him and were codependent. The Rudybots actions, 'logic', are like deja vu all over again)
You're just too sophisticated for the rest of us rubes, apparently. I guess we're supposed to ignore the fact that Rudy supported Clinton's veto of a PBA abortion ban - one that provided exceptions for the life of the mother. Yep, ignore what a politician has done, and cynically accept what a politician says now that he needs our vote.
Guys like you are exhibit "A" of what is wrong with politics today. You ridicule people for displays of common sense.
I have no desire to hand over the keys to the treasury to a party that could possibly OUTSPEND the Republicans (as improbable as that seems in light of the past two terms).
LOL----watta choice. The maniac or the mantra.
Actually, I consider a Giuliani nomination more destructive because it sends a signal to moderate conservatives, fence-straddlers, and the rightly-tilted of the Democrat party that protection of gun rights, the sanctity of the unborn life, and respect for the institution of marriage are no longer values worth defending.
As we all know, as goes the Presidency, so goes the party. Anyone believing Giuliani, the lisping liberal lady-man, will preserve GOP interests because of an "R", that his policy is good for the longterm GOP is seriously delusioned.
I've learned my lesson about holding my nose while voting.
In the last election I held my nose and voted for two party line republicans and I proudly voted for one conservative republican. The two party line republicans lost and the conservative won the seat of a GOP backed RINO.
The way I look at it is that I didn't lose anything and came out on top. The democrats were in power already so there was no change there but we replaced a RINO with a conservative.
I will NOT vote for Rudy in the primaries, period.
I am still undecided whether I would vote for him in the general.
His stance on the 2nd amendment causes me great concern.
It causes me almost (less by the amount of a hair) the same amount of concern as if Hitlery gets in the WH.
Different reasons, almost the same amount.
There are many primaries that will occur before any one candidate will win enough delegates to guarantee the nomination. Why don't we wait and see then?
Gun rights? - forget them.
Abortion on demand? - Absolutely
Taxes thru the roof? - Yuppers
Protect the borders? - Not a chance
Every socialist agenda ramrodded thru? - Oh yes
Envirowhacks getting more power? - Guaranteed
Etc.
But what the heck - We showed them!
I wish the evangelicals would be honest and stop identifying themselves as (and attempting to coopt) the term "conservative".
It's pretty clear from this and virtually every other Giuliani thread that the evangelical conservatives (values voters, social conservatives, whatever) consider themselves the exclusive bearers of "conservative" values.
It is the haughty exclusivity (which we see from them in other domains) that makes their posts rather repellent.
So c'mon you values voters, you social conservatives, you evangelical conservatives... fess up to what you are and stop trying to slander other conservatives.
I like the ring of "Evangelical Party". And best of luck on that.
By the way, it's unlikely that I'd support Giuliani, there are too many other good candidates out there.
Good to see you as well. :-)
And for the record, I'll be voting against Rudy in the primaries as well.
I cannot think of a politician I have supported that I agree with 100 percent of the time. In fact, Fred Thompson co-sponsored McCain-Feingold. So there are likely to be lots of things in a candidate's past that various people are going to disagree with.
Now I could easily try to get you to support Rudy by trashing Thompson on McCain-Feingold, hammering it at you day after day after day. But it wouldn't work any more than your attempting to trash Giuliani with this or that position. It's all inside baseball stuff and will make absolutely no difference to anyone who is undecided.
Rudy Giuliani is a hero. Now, he may or may not actually BE a hero. But the American people think he is a hero because they saw it on television. That makes the guy imminently electable. His electability is the wind driving his popularity, and that will not be compromised by whatever minutae you wish to expose about him.
These attacks on Giuliani from the right just solidify his support among crossovers. The more crossovers like him, the better his numbers get (in a general election matchup), and the more likely he will win the nomination.
Ah, the march of the "only true conservatives".
Oh, it's one of the oldest silly debate tactics on the web. Those folks are just using 'liberal' as an insult for anyone that doesn't agree with them.
If I only had a nickel for every time I've read someone saying, "If you don't agree with me about (fill in pet issue here), you must be a baby-killing, gun-grabbing, faggot-loving liberal!"
This is why it's so important to look at the history of a candidate. Some will say anything to advance themselves during a campaign. What they can't do is change the past.
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