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1 posted on 03/27/2007 7:18:24 AM PDT by upchuck
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By contrast, the Crusades have never been important to the Muslim world.... Even if liberals detest the Crusades, however, there is no good reason for many of today's Muslims to care about them, and there is no evidence that they think about the subject at all.

Apparently Dinesh doesn't know any Muslims. At all. Because this is hands down the dumbest, most inaccurate statement I've read all month.

2 posted on 03/27/2007 7:22:00 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (If every Republican is a RINO, then no Republican is a RINO.)
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My conclusion is that the main reasons leading liberals give to explain the antagonism of the Islamic radicals toward the United States and the West are false.

Collectivists of a feather. Dihad. Taqiyya.

5 posted on 03/27/2007 7:35:01 AM PDT by PGalt
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If muzzies have a problem with the Crusades, that is their problem. Tough. Heck, I'm glad it annoys them. The fact is that islam has been at war with the West since the 7th century. The war continues and should we lose the world will enter a new dark age. I despise their culture and religion and look forward to their ultimate defeat.
9 posted on 03/27/2007 7:45:18 AM PDT by Jacquerie (All Muslims are suspect.)
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This article further reinforces the point that Islam is mental disease. In the Islamicversion of psychosis, it is perfectly acceptable to conquer any land ruled by the infidels without repercussion or reprisal. However, if the infidel should take the land back, or a bigger, badder infidel come along, then the poor Muslims must stew on, carry grudge, even if it occurred several hundred years ago. Most Muslims see no problem with the Islamic "Crusade" on the Persian, Byzantine and Hindu empires and their subsequent colonization of each. However, when the European infidel arrived to colonize them, well, gosh darnit, they have "grievances", they have been "humiliated", and the only remedy for it is jihad.


14 posted on 03/27/2007 8:36:53 AM PDT by Quick or Dead (Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms - Aristotle)
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Is it reasonable to think that Muslims today are genuinely outraged about events that occurred a thousand years ago?

Political islam is quite modern. They are going after their heretics with a vengeance and every moslem is considered heretical by some other moslem. It might be interesting to watch except that they also want to involve everybody on the planet in their problems.

18 posted on 03/27/2007 9:21:28 AM PDT by RightWhale (Treaty rules;commerce droolz; Repeal the Treaty)
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Do any liberals even believe there is such a thing as Islamist fascism or extremism? I'm trying to think of names of liberals who have argued against the idea of this. I can only think of Edward Said and Ward Churchill. Can someone think of other names? I'm in the midst of a letter to the editor argument who is fantasizing that if AlGore were president, 9/11 would never have happened, and the problem of anthropogenic global warming would be all solved by now. I know most of the Democrat party is in denial, but I can't think of names. Some of that is I'm just so frustrated with liberal fantasy getting column inches I could scream!
19 posted on 03/27/2007 10:21:01 AM PDT by Excellence (Vote Dhimmocrat; Submit for Peace! (Bacon bits make great confetti.))
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The West is not perfect, as evidenced by our World Wars etc.. However, the basic, historical thrust in the West has been to increase personal freedom and to encourage individual creativity. Islamic cultures that have striven to maintain a status quo mired in the Middle Ages fell behind and to chose to blame others for the troubles brought about by a failure to embrace modernity.

Islamofascism will fall into the trash bin of history. However, the amount of devastation that will be necessary to eradicate this disease is dependent upon Muslim leadership. We will be fighting, largely as a result of the Left's machinations, radical Muslims long after the Bush (43) administration is gone.
20 posted on 03/27/2007 10:29:22 AM PDT by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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Actually, most of these things do bother Muslims, but I think Dinesh has a point that they are not the root cause of the instability in the region or the prevalence of fascism there.

IMHO, the underlying cause is the culmination of centuries of decline of the Muslim world versus the West, beginning in the 18th Century and continuing to the Turkish defeat in WWI and later carving up of most of the Middle East into British and French colonies. Fascist groups, some emphasizing Islam, others more secular, formed to resist colonization and to fill the power vacuum left by the Turkish retreat. The Arabs hadn't governed themselves for four centuries by this time.

This is why OBL dreams of reestablishing the Caliphate, which symbolizes this decline. The Turks took the title of Caliph, head both of the faith and government, from the Arabs and then the last Turkish Caliph was deposed after WWI. There hasn't been a Caliph since.

The solution, IMHO, is not just to fight the islamo-fascists, but even more important is to get the Arab world plugged into the global community and economy so they will feel part of the modern world and not estranged from it.

23 posted on 03/27/2007 10:56:09 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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mudslime = a sore ass loser who's pissed that anybody (even a 1000 years ago) dared to stand up their death cult "religion". FUCK THEM !


29 posted on 03/27/2007 2:32:10 PM PDT by texson66 ("Tyranny is yielding to the lust of the governing." - Lord Moulton)
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