Posted on 03/28/2007 8:29:26 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
A Muslim hating China which backs Pakistan & Iran,hotbeds of extremist Islam???????I am afraid it's not as simple as that.China does have a problem in it's Xingjiang province,but it's been deadly ruthless in crushing it.
What's everyone worried about. With the new Democratic majority in both Houses, they'll cut our military budget to the bone. That is unless there is a big change in majority come the next election. The left has placed us in a very tenuous position. They previously cut our military budgets so that our military and intelligence gathering suffered. Now they're playing politics to the hilt so nothing can be done in a positive manner in halls of both houses.
They don't need a carrier for Taiwan, there are plenty of land bases within range. You need to look farther out than that.
It ain't going to happen. At the end of the day they hate our asses more then they hate the moooooooslims. They'd chop us up like cat food first chance they get !!!
I am talking of the one megacarrier part-they have the capacity for more & they have the shipyards as well for more.Don't underestimate them.
You forgot to thank folks like Nixon,Carter & Reagan too.They also sold weaponry to China.Over the table.
From May 2001, FR threadClinton engineered oil crisis last May, post 35, posted by freedomnews.
As Americans Await Blackouts, Export-Import Bank Finances Nuclear Power for PRC U.S. Funding Nuclear Plant in China By Timothy P. Carney The week of May 21, 2001The United States may be facing a national energy crisis—one that will be punctuated by blackouts in California and probably many other states this summer—but across the Pacific Ocean in Shanghai, the Jiangnan Shipyards will be running at full power building warships for the Communist Chinese regime, thanks to funding provided by the U.S. government. The Export-Import Bank of the United States has provided funding to help two U.S. corporations—Westinghouse Electric and Bechtel Power—to help the People’s Republic of China (PRC) build the Qinshan nuclear power plant near Shanghai [snip]
As the law stands, it takes only the President’s signature plus the votes of three out of the five board members of the Export-Import Bank to approve a loan to China. At the time of the Bechtel and Westinghouse-related loans, there were two vacancies on the board, and the three remaining members voted unanimously to send the money to China. The three were Board Chairman Martin A. Kamarck and members Maria Haley and Julie Belaga. Kamarck is the husband of former Gore aide Elaine Kamarck.
On Feb. 14, 1997, a month after she voted to approve the Bechtel-related loan, the New York Times reported that "Ms. Haley’s first job in Washington was in the White House personnel office, where she helped John Huang, the Riady family’s senior American executive, get a job at the Commerce Department." Huang, Human Events readers will recall, helped funnel tens of thousands of dollars in illegal foreign contributions to President Clinton and the Democrats.
2. The Emergence of China >> >> In the last 20 years, China has moved 250 million people from the farms >> and villages into the cities. Their plan is to move another 300 million >> in the next 20 years. When you put that many people into the cities, you >> have to find work for them. That's why China is addicted to >> manufacturing; they have to put all the relocated people to work. When >> we decide to manufacture something in the U.S., it's based on market >> needs and the opportunity to make a profit. In China, they make the >> decision because they want the jobs, which is a very different >> calculation. >>
>> While China is addicted to manufacturing, Americans are addicted to low >> prices. As a result, a unique kind of economic codependency has >> developed between the two countries. If we ever stop buying from China, >> they will explode politically. If China stops selling to us, our economy >> will take a huge hit because prices will jump. We are subsidizing their >> economic development; they are subsidizing our economic growth. >>
>> Because of their huge growth in manufacturing, China is hungry for raw >> materials, which drives prices up worldwide. China is also thirsty for >> oil, which is one reason oil is now at $60 a barrel. By 2020, China will >> produce more cars than the U.S. China is also buying its way into the >> oil infrastructure around the world. They are doing it in the open >> market and paying fair market prices, but millions of barrels of oil >> that would have gone to the U.S. are now going to China. China's quest >> to assure it has the oil it needs to fuel its economy is a major factor >> in world politics and economics. We have our Navy fleets protecting the >> sea lines, specifically the ability to get the tankers through. It won't >> be long before the Chinese have an aircraft carrier sitting in the >> Persian Gulf as well. The questio n is, will their aircraft carrier be >> pointing in the same direction as ours or against us?
2. The Emergence of China
In the last 20 years, China has moved 250 million people from the farms and villages into the cities. Their plan is to move another 300 million in the next 20 years. When you put that many people into the cities, you have to find work for them. That's why China is addicted to manufacturing; they have to put all the relocated people to work. When we decide to manufacture something in the U.S., it's based on market needs and the opportunity to make a profit. In China, they make the decision because they want the jobs, which is a very different calculation.
While China is addicted to manufacturing, Americans are addicted to low prices. As a result, a unique kind of economic codependency has developed between the two countries. If we ever stop buying from China, they will explode politically. If China stops selling to us, our economy will take a huge hit because prices will jump. We are subsidizing their economic development; they are subsidizing our economic growth.
Because of their huge growth in manufacturing, China is hungry for raw materials, which drives prices up worldwide. China is also thirsty for oil, which is one reason oil is now at $60 a barrel. By 2020, China will produce more cars than the U.S. China is also buying its way into the oil infrastructure around the world. They are doing it in the open market and paying fair market prices, but millions of barrels of oil that would have gone to the U.S. are now going to China. China's quest to assure it has the oil it needs to fuel its economy is a major factor in world politics and economics. We have our Navy fleets protecting the sea lines, specifically the ability to get the tankers through. It won't be long before the Chinese have an aircraft carrier sitting in the Persian Gulf as well. The questio n is, will their aircraft carrier be pointing in the same direction as ours or against us?
Come on,let's be real. Taiwan and Japan combined couldn't stand against China long enough to eat lunch there.India while having nuclear weapons isn't out looking for a fight with China.Russia is a different animal,however I don't see them being stupid enough to pick a fight at this point in history with China !!!
I agree. This all assumes that the US is going to sit still for the next 15 years, making no carrier technology/weapons/intel advances, while China zooms ahead.
The problem that China has is that it has to steal ideas, mainly from the US which ORIGINATES original ideas, hence, we can come up with more ideas than they can steal.
Some on this thread seem to have unbounded faith in China and little in the US.
And as you point out, we've fought quite a few wars with our carriers and our carrier/support strategies and tactics are well honed. And we support 12 of them while the rest of the world supports at most 1.
And ummmm. When is China going to develop their version of the JSF to launch from their "carriers"?
Who am I betting on? The US obviously. I always go with a winner.
Maybe it'll work as well as the DeGaul.
Nope, I'm not underestimating them.
In a bit on irony, consider there mission they hope to recreate, the leader of the class will be called "Red Castle" (In Chinese this time)
Dude,the EX-IM bank still offers support to China or any nation buying US origin reactors.Under Bush too.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/200306China.htm
U.S. finances China nukes
Taxpayers provide $5 billion in loans to close $8 billion Westinghouse deal
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_40/b3953066.htm
Not so. Given the right circumstances, just one of the JMSDF's Kongo-class AEGIS cruisers could send the whole PLAN blue-water fleet to the bottom. And Taiwan's navy has a powerful destroyer fleet. Combined, the two powers could do some serious damage to the Chinese.
And I didn't even mention Japan's excellent submarine force...
Just how many anti-ship missiles does one Kongo have??Japan has excellent defensive capabilities(second only to the USN),but their offensive capacity is limited to say the least.Their subs are great,though.
About Taiwan,they only have 4 Kidd class destroyers-no AEGIS,no vertically launched SAMs.Can they withstand a sustained ownslaught from Chinese ships/subs/aircraft??????Taiwan has only 2 combat worthy subs & those are 20 years old.
I think your totally wrong. The technology coming out of China now is as good as any any in the world. High tech US companies are actually recruiting from Asian markets because they offer better people then we do.To underestimate the ability of Asia to match and surpass our present lead in military and technology is extremely short sighted !!!
Stole? STOLE??!! Hey, dey paid GOOD MONEY for that tech! (Thank you, Billy J. Clinton)
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