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The Back Story: Edwards Surges - Rudy Slumps
WNBC ^ | 3/29/07 | staff

Posted on 03/29/2007 2:41:13 PM PDT by pissant

A new Time Magazine poll out Thursday has a lot of interesting (and not terribly surprising) numbers. They include low levels of support for President Bush, a big majority favoring withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq before September 2008, and a majority believing Bush is trying to "cover up" what happenned in the firing of U.S. Attorneys.

We draw you attention to the Presidential race, though, and the strong bump John Edwards has gotten since the attention surrounding his wife's cancer recurred. Time finds the Democratic Primary race this way:

Clinton at 38%, Obama at 30% and Edwards at 28%.

On the Republican side, Time shows Rudy Giuliani's Republican Primary numbers sinking back to reality after he ran 20 points ahead of John McCain. Following the drip, drip, drip of details about him including his son not talking to him and his third wife being on her third husband, Giuliani stills leads McCain, but now it's 35%-22%.

Keep in mind, however, it is only March, 2007


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KEYWORDS: giuliani; mccain; rudy
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He'll be neck and neck with McCain soon enough, even though McCain won't rise.
1 posted on 03/29/2007 2:41:14 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

It seems like McCain has been locked at 22% for a while.


2 posted on 03/29/2007 2:42:26 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan

He is steady. The infatuation with the lib will be coming to a abrupt halt soon.


3 posted on 03/29/2007 2:43:19 PM PDT by pissant (The new Fred Astaire: Rudy Rodham Bloomberg)
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To: pissant

Interesting.

But, the '04 election was the first one I really followed closely, and if there's anything it taught me, it's that a LOT can change in a period of time. I really don't know what's going to happen between now and the primaries...will be something to watch.


4 posted on 03/29/2007 2:44:19 PM PDT by pcottraux (Fred Thompson pronounces it "P. Coe-troe"...in 2008.)
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To: pissant
the strong bump John Edwards has gotten since the attention surrounding his wife's cancer recurred

Convenient, wasn't it. Now, what tricks can Shrillary pull to get her numbers up? Bubba having little flings certainly won't bring in the votes.

5 posted on 03/29/2007 2:45:10 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: pissant
They include low levels of support for President Bush - Have I just missed out on the: Bush poll numbers lowest ever - We use to see these polls come out twice a day, I assumed his numbers have been going up since I have not seen those in a while, the wording above indicates the same or they would give numbers.
6 posted on 03/29/2007 2:45:30 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: mtbopfuyn

"Now, what tricks can Shrillary pull to get her numbers up?"

Watch south park tonight, you can see her strategery in action.


7 posted on 03/29/2007 2:46:02 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: pissant

Time Magazine is a rag. A Liberal Rag.


8 posted on 03/29/2007 2:46:52 PM PDT by unkus
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To: pissant
Following the drip, drip, drip of details about him including his son not talking to him and his third wife being on her third husband

I've been told by Rudy fans that his 'dirty laundry' doesn't impact his electability. Therefore, this poll must be wrong.

9 posted on 03/29/2007 2:46:56 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
I've been told by Rudy fans that his 'dirty laundry' doesn't impact his electability.

Monica saved the Clintons' dirty laundry and look who might get back in the WH.

10 posted on 03/29/2007 2:50:12 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: pissant

LOL. Rudy still defeats Shrillary and Obama in the trial match-ups.

Some slumper he is.


11 posted on 03/29/2007 2:50:17 PM PDT by freespirited (Resentment, redistribution, and re-education. The three Rs of liberalism.)
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To: pissant
The Great White Cross Dresser's stockings are falling.
12 posted on 03/29/2007 2:51:11 PM PDT by samm1148 (Pennsylvania-They haven't taxed air--yet)
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To: SF Republican

Yes. His poll numbers are at least 15 points higher than that of congress right now.


13 posted on 03/29/2007 2:51:37 PM PDT by pissant (The new Fred Astaire: Rudy Rodham Bloomberg)
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To: pissant
And yet Pelosi insists that the entire country is behind her.
14 posted on 03/29/2007 2:53:25 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: pissant

Time is way oversampling liberal dems and the Edwards numbers.


15 posted on 03/29/2007 2:53:51 PM PDT by meg88
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To: pissant

Rudy will be in single digets when F.T. announces.


16 posted on 03/29/2007 2:56:20 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: pissant
Hey, his wife is dying; lets vote for him. He's a victimmmmm....

God, living in this republic is like be on a ship of fools casted adrift on an endless ocean. Sometimes I feel like shouting "is there anyone out there with at least two neurons in their head capable of having a semi intelligent thought?"

Oh, what the hell, I'm going back to sleep; maybe I'll wake up and find out it was just a nightmare.
17 posted on 03/29/2007 2:58:15 PM PDT by Herakles (Diversity is code word for anti-white racism)
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To: pcottraux
But, the '04 election was the first one I really followed closely

Dammit! I guess I'm older than you, the first one I followed was Eisenhower/Stevenson. (Not Lincoln/Douglas as some might think.)

18 posted on 03/29/2007 2:59:22 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Herakles
Hey, his wife is dying; lets vote for him. He's a victimmmmm.

Not much different than some people voting based on looks. Old A. Lincoln wouldn't have a chance nowadays.

19 posted on 03/29/2007 3:01:16 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: unkus
"Time Magazine is a rag. A Liberal Rag."

I agree 100 percent, but since most of the pro-Rudy Polls/News articles come from most of the liberal rags, it's only fair.

Some constantly used the ABC/Washington post polls as a sign of Rudy's popularity until they were smacked down.

20 posted on 03/29/2007 3:01:24 PM PDT by Post-Neolithic (Money only makes Communists rich Communists)
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To: pissant
Rudy's numbers will soar again once the public learns that he wants his mistress wife at cabinet meetings to advise him on health care.
21 posted on 03/29/2007 3:03:51 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: madprof98

Well, so far the Rudy fans here are more pro rudy than the population. Nothing can convince them he has 429 liberal positions versus 4 conservative ones.


22 posted on 03/29/2007 3:05:29 PM PDT by pissant (The new Fred Astaire: Rudy Rodham Bloomberg)
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To: pissant

NO MORE

JOHNS!!!



23 posted on 03/29/2007 3:05:35 PM PDT by Lady Jag (A positive attitude will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.)
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To: unkus
Time Magazine is a rag. A Liberal Rag.

Agreed. Why would anyone here care what their "polls" reveal? Their polls are always structured as Good news for the Surrender-crats.

24 posted on 03/29/2007 3:06:39 PM PDT by kromike
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To: Post-Neolithic

I think Giuliani is going to prevail when all is said and done. This forum will be suicidal, but we'll just have to deal with that then.


25 posted on 03/29/2007 3:06:55 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
This forum will be suicidal, but we'll just have to deal with that then.

And getting worse weekly. On a good note, someone posting spam was suspended. Of course, it was pro-Rudy spam but hope springs eternal that eventually the forum will return to its former days when all spam was forbidden.

I'm rather amused that so many freepers on this thread have told me that polls don't matter this far out. Of course, that's when the news was good for Rudy :-)

26 posted on 03/29/2007 3:12:19 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's' pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: unkus

That's right. This is from the Times. Who believes anything written by these people. The next thing you know people will believe whats in the new york times.


27 posted on 03/29/2007 3:13:25 PM PDT by thegreatmalcolmx (I came to love white people. At least that is what I was taught in my black history class.)
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To: Peach; areafiftyone

They don't matter. But since so many Rudy fans sited them as evidence that only Rudy can win, might as well document him on the way down too.


28 posted on 03/29/2007 3:22:47 PM PDT by pissant (The new Fred Astaire: Rudy Rodham Bloomberg)
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To: Graybeard58

LOL! Yeah, I'm only 22. Still a young fresh-faced conservative.

Actually, at the tender age of 16, I did follow the 2000 election just a little bit. I didn't know much about politics at the time, but I just knew one simple fact: Al Gore must NEVER be president. And that kept me interested enough...following the travesty that came after election night was quite an experience. It taught me another simple fact: liberals are whiny, immature, self-sniffling little twerps.

And I went from there.


29 posted on 03/29/2007 3:24:05 PM PDT by pcottraux (Fred Thompson pronounces it "P. Coe-troe"...in 2008.)
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To: Dog Gone

well we will just have to wait and see won't we? in the meantime, those of us who figure we don't need to support a RINO in the primary are optimistic that we won't have to go to the general election with a barf bag in hand to vote for Rudy, someone unlikely to prevail against the dem candidate. i think the rudyfans have a distorted view of those of us who oppose Rudy, and why we oppose him. i know you'd like to think that we are melting down and hysterical, but it simply is not the case. we see rudy as a flawed candidate with liberal positions and excessive baggage, unlikely to prevail. rudyfans don't see him the same way. it is a difference of opinion. we are just as sane as you are, only we are right and you are wrong : )


30 posted on 03/29/2007 3:27:33 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: pissant
Following the drip, drip, drip of details about him including his son not talking to him and his third wife being on her third husband, Giuliani stills leads McCain, but now it's 35%-22%.

Someone remind me, what is the number of the affair that Hillary's husband is currently having? I'll bet is tops Guiliani and his wife's spousal numbers combined.

Someone remind me, how did President Reagan and his children get along while he was President? Didn't Patti write a book?

31 posted on 03/29/2007 3:35:03 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: Graybeard58

As he should be in a GOP primary.


32 posted on 03/29/2007 3:39:52 PM PDT by pissant (The new Fred Astaire: Rudy Rodham Bloomberg)
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To: Dog Gone
I think Giuliani is going to prevail when all is said and done. This forum will be suicidal, but we'll just have to deal with that then.

When you realize the consquences of Giuliani victory would be, you're the one that is going to be suicidal, assuming you're not a liberal that wants Hillary to win anyway or wants to see the Republican party self-destruct.

33 posted on 03/29/2007 3:47:50 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: xsmommy

I'm not on the Rudy bandwagon, although I do think it's likely he'll win.

Perhaps if Fred Thompson enters, it will be a horserace, but Romney isn't gaining any steam despite being well-funded and organized. McCain is McCain, and Newt, despite being the most intellectual conservative of the bunch, has high negatives even among Republicans. Among Democrats, it's off the charts.

The 1 percenters like Paul and Hunter will not even get 1% of the delegates needed to win the nomination. Rudy has some strong points and he has weak points, so I think we could do worse, and I wish that we'd do better.

I'm more inclined to support Newt, although it's not even clear he'll run. I don't have to decide who's my second choice for quite a long time.

The bill to move the Texas primary to February 5 is moving pretty swiftly through the state legislature, by the way.


34 posted on 03/29/2007 3:49:48 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: w1andsodidwe
Someone remind me, what is the number of the affair that Hillary's husband is currently having? I'll bet is tops Guiliani and his wife's spousal numbers combined.

Let's get this right. We're supposed to feel better about Giuliani's character because he has cheated on his wife/wives as much as Bill Clinton has?

35 posted on 03/29/2007 3:49:49 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Dog Gone

the only way he wins is if Fred doesn't jump. fred is a conservative, has less baggage of all sorts and has a better shot at beating whoever the dems settle on. i agree with you on the prospects of the other candidates.


36 posted on 03/29/2007 3:52:21 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: pissant
Well, so far the Rudy fans here are more pro rudy than the population.

And where is your evidence of that or is it just another bit of make-believe fiction?

37 posted on 03/29/2007 3:52:52 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's' pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Ol' Sparky
When you realize the consquences of Giuliani victory would be, you're the one that is going to be suicidal, assuming you're not a liberal that wants Hillary to win anyway or wants to see the Republican party self-destruct.

A victory by Hillary would make me suicidal. That much I know.

A victory by Giuliani, even as the GOP nominee, will greatly disenchant a segment of the GOP. But I find it interesting that Giuliani still draws a lot of support from evangelicals and social conservatives in the polls that measure that.

It's been argued that it's because people don't really know his positions on social issues, and that may be true. But unless it's true, and unless someone else emerges who isn't in the race right now, it's his to lose.

That's just my honest assessment, and I'm not advocating for him.

38 posted on 03/29/2007 3:55:55 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

You sound so logical and reasonable, Doggie...are you sure you belong on this forum? :-)


39 posted on 03/29/2007 3:57:41 PM PDT by Wait4Truth ("There is nothing complicated about supporting our troops in combat!" - GWB)
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To: All

Indeed, in one recent poll, majorities of Republicans who were informed of Giuliani’s views on social issues said that they were either minor issues or no issues at all; only 16% said that they wouldn't vote for him after being informed of these views.

In the online GOP Bloggers poll, Giuliani is consistently one of the few candidates to end up with a net positive acceptability rating. These internet denizens are well-informed, and overwhelmingly self-describe as conservative (78% self-describe as 7 or higher on a 10-scale of conservatism). If these people can support Rudy, anyone can.

Human Events, Is Giuliani the Republican Peyton Manning,
2/6/07
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1780060/posts


40 posted on 03/29/2007 3:58:12 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's' pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Wait4Truth

LOL. Doesn't he, though?


41 posted on 03/29/2007 3:58:31 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's' pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Wait4Truth; Dog Gone

it's refreshing isn't it, to have someone logically discuss rudy in an objective way? i appreciate you, doggone : )


42 posted on 03/29/2007 3:58:56 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: pissant

I've said that Edwards would be the Democratic nominee before, and nothing has led me to change that opinion. As soon as they have their first debate, Edwards charisma will sweep the shrill shrew from the democratic field.


43 posted on 03/29/2007 3:59:04 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: pissant
He'll be neck and neck with McCain soon enough, even though McCain won't rise.

Keep on clicking those ruby slippers, Dorothy. Time is a LIBERAL piece of crap, not worth the paper it's written on. Rudy is doing extremely well in all national polls.


Go Rudy!

44 posted on 03/29/2007 3:59:40 PM PDT by KATIE-O (Rudy Giuliani - Restoring Optimism in '08)
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To: Ol' Sparky
Let's get this right. We're supposed to feel better about Giuliani's character because he has cheated on his wife/wives as much as Bill Clinton has?

You missed the whole point. Why is the media reporting on Rudy's spouse, but not Hillary's spouse? Seems that if Rudy's wife number of spouses was important to be reported, well then so should old Bill's affairs should reported since they are of a much more current nature.

45 posted on 03/29/2007 4:00:19 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: pissant

I must say I am surprised that the Edwards thing was so effective for him. Turned out to be the political genius move of the campaign so far. Of course the only problem is that his wife is 80% likely to be dead five years from now, and the family wont have so much as a single night together for 2 of those 5 years. Other than that, brilliant move.


46 posted on 03/29/2007 4:05:30 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Peach

It's so early in the game...trying to trash all of our own candidates seems pretty silly to me. I have my choices but I will vote for the GOP man, whoever that is. Even more so if bill clinton's wife is on the ballot!


47 posted on 03/29/2007 4:06:23 PM PDT by Wait4Truth ("There is nothing complicated about supporting our troops in combat!" - GWB)
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To: pcottraux

You're just a baby! Are you sure you're old enough to handle the responsibility of the "Bigfoot" ping list? :)

I was picturing you as some old geezer, actually.

Hmm. I might make you come back down to GA to marry my daughter in 10 years. Any objections to younger women? Hehehee


48 posted on 03/29/2007 4:08:36 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Thompson/Watts in 2008!! Fear the Fred!! FreeRepublic is FRed country!!)
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To: xsmommy; Dog Gone

I always enjoy reading Dog Gone's posts. He is never hysterical or rude. A very even-tempered person, it seems to me. Are ya gettin' these compliments, Dog? He-he!


49 posted on 03/29/2007 4:09:33 PM PDT by Wait4Truth ("There is nothing complicated about supporting our troops in combat!" - GWB)
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To: pissant

Judy Nathan is personally fairly impressive. Before she met Giuliani, she was one of of Bristol-Myers' top sales managers


50 posted on 03/29/2007 4:10:29 PM PDT by montag813
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