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Testimony by Giuliani Indicates He Was Briefed on Kerik in 00 (NY Times Hit)
NYTimes via Drudge Report ^ | March 30, 2007 | William K. Rashbaum

Posted on 03/29/2007 8:52:01 PM PDT by RDTF

Rudolph W. Giuliani told a grand jury that his former chief investigator remembered having briefed him on some aspects of Bernard B. Kerik’s relationship with a company suspected of ties to organized crime before Mr. Kerik’s appointment as New York City police commissioner, according to court records.

Mr. Giuliani, testifying last year under oath before a Bronx grand jury investigating Mr. Kerik, said he had no memory of the briefing, but he did not dispute that it had taken place, according to a transcript of his testimony.

Mr. Giuliani’s testimony amounts to a significantly new version of what information was probably before him in the summer of 2000 as he was debating Mr. Kerik’s appointment as the city’s top law enforcement officer. Mr. Giuliani had previously said that he had never been told of Mr. Kerik’s entanglement with the company before promoting him to the police job or later supporting his failed bid to be the nation’s homeland security secretary.

In his testimony, given in April 2006, Mr. Giuliani indicated that he must have simply forgotten that he had been briefed on one or more occasions as part of the background investigation of Mr. Kerik before his appointment to the police post.

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There is no evidence that Mr. Giuliani knew about the apartment renovation before promoting Mr. Kerik to police commissioner. But the top investigator who briefed Mr. Giuliani in 2000, the transcript shows, was aware that Mr. Kerik’s brother and a close friend had been hired by an affiliate of the company, which for years had been struggling to secure a city license.

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The transcript of Mr. Giuliani’s testimony was not given to The New York Times by any rival campaign.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: corruption; electionpresident; giuliani; kerik; nyslimes; organizedcrime; rudy
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To: Fierce Allegiance

I don't talk to asshats like you


81 posted on 03/30/2007 6:56:21 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: BeforeISleep

Lovely language. Keep shielding yourself from facts.

I think the term you used on me is merely a case of projection, because I study and learn, not hide from truth, and then make informed decisions, which you can't do if you won't do the homework.

I'd never use such vulgar language, though.


82 posted on 03/30/2007 7:02:48 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - the uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR)
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To: mkjessup; indylindy; pissant; Fierce Allegiance; narses; stephenjohnbanker; flashbunny; jla; ...
The Rudeo campaign committee assembles to manage confirmed news reports that:

(1) Rudeo has trouble remembering, and/or,

(2) Rudeo has incipient Alzheimer's disease,

(3) Rudeo is a serial liar.


83 posted on 03/30/2007 7:09:16 AM PDT by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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To: Sabramerican; mkjessup
To Helen Giuliani, as to many older New York ethnics, Republican Conservative is close to being in league with the Devil.

Yeah, look at what a liberal Republican Al D'Amato was!/sarcasm off

84 posted on 03/30/2007 7:15:50 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
"Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it." -Mayor Giuliani

Any kind of intelligent analytic thinking goes over the head of some people.

They like their politicians simple. Sloganeering.

That quote is correct.

In the absence of the thoughts expressed you don't have freedom, you have anarchy.

The key word is LAWFUL authority.

IF a cop waves you and other traffic off a particular road, in his lawful capacity and authority, you are still a free American.

If everyone decides they will go where they choose, road hazard or not, you have anarchy and danger for all.

Again, the key is LAWFUL authority. It is why the founders founded a Government and a Constitution. All legitimizing lawful authority and Freedom.

85 posted on 03/30/2007 7:17:09 AM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: RDTF

BFD. The New York Times has been extremely hostile to Giuliani since the day he first announced he was running for mayor. And once Rudy was elected, the NY Times was against everything he did, from enforcing quality of life laws, to driving porn and prositution from Times Square, cutting taxes, snubbing Sharpton and Jessie Jackson, to driving people off the welfare rolls. Of course there will be some people here who will accuse Giuliani of lying to the grand jury because he couldn't remember something that occurrd six years earlier, yet they will defend Libby to the grave.


86 posted on 03/30/2007 7:30:24 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Liz

No Rudeo has Hellery Clinton Total Selective Memory Lapse disease. Er...uh...I...I I don't recall.


The Rudy POM POM kids find beliving in facts presented as "optional".

Hah, thats just so liberal.


87 posted on 03/30/2007 7:38:04 AM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: Jhensy
Wayne Barrett was an investigative journalist for the Village Voice, and Jack Newfield was a muckraker for the old, pre-Murdoch left-wing NY Post.

Are you calling them liars? Are you saying that what was reported is a lie? A Yes or No will do.
88 posted on 03/30/2007 7:39:06 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: RDTF
Gross speculation here...But I wonder what went on in the back of Giuliani's limo - that Kerik started out his Giuliani-connected career as the driver - which lead to Kerik's Giuliani-fueled, meteoric rise through Giuliani's administration, a partnership in Giuliani's corporation, and finally his nomination (promoted by Giuliani) to be the Chief of Department of Homeland Security. Giuliani has a history of illegal surveillance and is a slimeball. What did he see Giuliani doing in the limo that he could use to compel Giuliani to irrationally put the corrupt, mob-tied high-school dropout into such powerful law enforcement positions?
89 posted on 03/30/2007 7:39:16 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Gop1040; Jim Robinson
"Well that 10% [of RudyBots] is making lots of noise."
And the remaining 90% still believe the earth is flat.


Hey Jim? Don't forget to renew your membership in the Flat Earth Society, ok? My dues have to be in by tomorrow, how about yours?
90 posted on 03/30/2007 7:41:02 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: Labyrinthos
yet they will defend Libby to the grave.

Libby is small potatoes.

Bin Ladin determined to attack inside US

The Leftists still feed on that one.

If one looks critically on the attacks on Giuliani on this site, you will see a huge similarity to the modus operandi of the most revolting and extreme Left.

91 posted on 03/30/2007 7:41:58 AM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: trumandogz; FairOpinion

I've missed most of the rudy posters the past couple of days, we've been stuck with FairOpinion having to carry all of the load, but FO's not as fun as some of the others.


92 posted on 03/30/2007 7:42:39 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: FairOpinion

The point is that, if you read the article, it isn't a hit piece, it is largely deferential to his explanation, and reads more like an innoculation against the issue than an attack on the issue.

He doesn't deny it, he just doesn't remember it, he shouldn't be held responsible, no indication he knew about the apartment, it's just Rudy being Rudy.

If I had recommended a criminal to be the head of the Department of Homeland Security, I'd be thrilled if THIS was the "hit piece" about it.


93 posted on 03/30/2007 7:44:25 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Sabramerican
Substitute the word "Gay" for Conservative Republican. And then imagine the identical quote from a mother about her son. "He's definitely not a Gay. He thinks he is, but he isn't" You will immediately see a mother in denial. To Helen Giuliani, as to many older New York ethnics, Republican Conservative is close to being in league with the Devil.

Hey, that is probably the most creative spin I've seen yet, you need to instruct all those lesser talented RudyBots to include that response in their Rudy Talking Points subroutine EVERY morning before they detach their umbilical cords from the Rudy Collective Brain.

Not bad, not bad at all.
94 posted on 03/30/2007 7:44:33 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: Lurker; FairOpinion

The democrats are going to keep her around as long as Rudy polls better than her, in the hopes that her candidacy contributes to mass hysteria in the republican party leading to a Rudy nomination.

That way, like in Connecticutt last year, they can't loose, at best they get a democrat who opposes the war elected, and at worst they get a liberal who supports the war elected.


95 posted on 03/30/2007 7:47:00 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: mkjessup
Are you calling them liars? Are you saying that what was reported is a lie? A Yes or No will do.

Wayne Barrett, a liar yes. Jack Newfield... incredibly slanted yes, liar might be too tough. Newfield had some integrity.

And last time I asked you a yes or no, you deferred, if you remember. :)

96 posted on 03/30/2007 7:49:27 AM PDT by Jhensy
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To: Sabramerican
If one looks critically on the attacks on Giuliani on this site, you will see a huge similarity to the modus operandi of the most revolting and extreme Left.

You noticed that too. I'm not even sure that I'll vote for Giuliani if given a choice between him and let's say Fred or Newt, but I'm not going to sit by and allow the attack dogs to have their way. There are enough reasons to oppose Rudy that are not in dispute, and so I lose all respect for the Rudy bashers who attack him with lies, deceptions, and disinformation, as if they were working from the radical left playbook. We should be more rational and civilized that that.

97 posted on 03/30/2007 7:52:23 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: George W. Bush; FairOpinion

FO knows about that poll. In order to blunt it's effectiveness, he posted a thread where he didn't give the results of the poll, just a few snippets, and added his own commentary to make it into a Fred Thompson hit piece.

But that is his right, and what he has to do to defend his candidate.


98 posted on 03/30/2007 7:52:52 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Sabramerican

"lawful authority" simply means authority that is adhering to whatever legal cover has been given that authority by the government.

That legal cover could well trample my liberty and freedom.

If the police tell me I can't jump off a cliff because I might hurt myself, they are exercising "legal authority", and they are infringing on my God-given freedom and liberty.

But that type of nanny-state law is what Rudy Giuliani supports, and he thinks that my freedom should be based on whatever rules he thinks are appropriate for me, like not being allowed to own a handgun, or a ferret.

Freedom is the right to make the wrong choices.


99 posted on 03/30/2007 7:57:21 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: mkjessup; Sabramerican; FairOpinion

Actually, it was very entertaining, and I should have acknowledged that when I bemoaned being stuck with FO doing all the Rudy posting.

Not that FO is doing a poor job, just that FO's stuff is repetitious now, and growing boring.


100 posted on 03/30/2007 7:59:50 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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