Posted on 03/30/2007 6:20:58 PM PDT by buccaneer81
Of course the real answer is that deep down, everybody knows (or at least suspects) that God exists. Le coeur á ses raisons que la raison ne connait point — Pascal
So am I.
1. There is no such thing as an ecumenical atheist.
2. There is no such thing as an orthodox atheist.
As for myself:
- I do not like the sex perverts. (homosexuality is not an anatomical function)
- I do not like the illegal immigrants. (this is not a welfare plantation)
- I do not like the gun grabbers. (obvious)
- I do not like the baby killers. (no trial by a jury of their peers)
And for these few political opinions, I have logical, secular reasons most so-called atheists will run away from.
I also think evolutionists are on educational welfare.
Strong agreement. And I may steal that turn of phrase...
Of course the real answer is that deep down, everybody knows (or at least suspects) that God exists.
Strong disagreement. I no more suspect that God exists than I do that the Easter Bunny actually exists. Either could be true, but so far I have seen about as much evidence for the one as the other--which is asymptotically close to no evidence at all.
By definition, a scientific theory (belief) must be falsifiable.
And again, that makes atheism not scientific, because it's not falsifiable.
There is no such thing as an ecumenical atheist.
Militant atheism is itself a religion, with No-God as God.
Of course atheism is falsifiable. Although I'd agree that any atheist who won't admit to that is a "believer" following a religion.
Today, "morals" are a religious pagan philosophy of esoteric hobgoblins. Transfiguration is a pantheon of fantasies as the medium of infinitization. Others get derision for having an unwavering Judaic belief in Yahweh or Yeshua, although their critics and enemies will evangelize insertion of phantasmagoric fetishisms into secular law.
Excuse this bit of sarcasm...
But, since we are all properly obeying the * modern interpretation * of the First Amendment, good & evil isn't the question... Good & bad, right & wrong, etc., etc., ad nausea; are all inherently religious ideals.
The modern interpretation of the First Amendment (according to the liberal-tarians) says government must exorcise all traces of religion and theism from itself. Therefore, government must never consider issues of morality and right and wrong...
So, it becomes a question of benefits versus costs. Fetus killing has its benefits to society, especially if you like to sleep late on Saturdays. But it also has its costs as well. Society (by which I mean, whoever manages to seize power) needs to evaluate these costs and decide accordingly.
The mythical rights of men and women are also meaningless. The very concept of rights is also founded in religion. Since the enlightened person is freed from any superstitions about some "God," they are free from having to worry about "rights." Only raw power counts and humans are just meat puppets for the powerful...
I highly recommend it.
I feel the same way about the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus. None of these entities have been seen (at least in the past 2000 years) and none have done anything to prove they exist-- like performing the impossible (not just merely the improbable).
There isn't even any verifiable value to strongly believing God. Matthew 21:21, John 14:14, Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, and Mark 11:24 didn't ring very true for Jessica Lunsford in this life, regardless of what castle in the clouds she gets in the afterlife.
Belief in God is just another anti-depressant, like Paxil, Prozac, or Zoloft. People are scared that there isn't some magical place to go to when they die and they are scared that there isn't a magical invisible man who can rescue them like a safety net when they need rescuing.
I think it's generally as harmless as people taking anti-depressants in pill form. It helps people to function when they would have difficulty doing so. Whatever. It doesn't really affect me.
Why, don't you plan to be there? We'll miss you.... ;)
susie
LOGIC is all I need...
Morality and all of its associated ideals are rooted entirely in the presupposition some higher power defines what is correct for human behavior.
That is a bullet proof syllogism and it can be tested with truth tables in prepositional logic or with Venn diagrams in categorical (Aristole's) logic.
He probably started spinning when they dropped "in Christ and his Church" from its motto.
A quote I read long ago and have forgotten the attribution:
"Sir, I am not an athiest, I'm an agnostic. I don't pretend to know what many ignorant people are sure of."
You are free to define words as you will. And using your definitions of choice, you can emit an unlimited number of statements that are true by definition.
Selfping for later
It is no coincidence Islamic pagans hate Israel, Jews, Christians and Western Civilization. The entire basis of Western Civilization is Mosaic Law, something both the Neo-Pagan Left and the pagan Islamic thugs cannot abide and wish to destroy.
The very idea that human beings have individual rights not subject to the whims of an earthly monarch, but subject to the laws of Yahweh, is directly from Moses.
Historically, this is proven over and over again with the successive conflicts between the forces of paganism and the Judaic culture. (This includes the idolatry of cultural Marxist paganism.)
A greater number of "atheists" and "pagans" adopt the same hackneyed tenets of a faux Judaic-Christian ideal (golden calf). They also subscribe to the Judaic fetishism of "sin," but will fight to their death in denial of it.
Most of them are so wrapped up in their own polemics that they have become nothing more than pathetic anti-Christians with the same false hypocritical philosophy. They just slap a new label on it hoping nobody will notice - - they replace the idea of "avoiding sin" with "morals."
Morality and all of its associated ideals are rooted entirely in the presupposition some higher power defines what is correct in human behavior.
Today, "morals" are a religious pagan philosophy of esoteric hobgoblins. Transfiguration is a pantheon of fantasies as the medium of infinitization. Others get derision for having an unwavering Judaic belief in Yahweh or Yeshua, although their critics and enemies will evangelize insertion of phantasmagoric fetishisms into secular law.
Mosaic Law (of which the Ten Commandments is just a part) is the foundation of Western Civilization. Genesis is the primary focus of the Declaration of Independence, from where our Constitutional rights are derived. The Ten Commandments are the foundation of our judicial system.
Moses wrote Genesis. This is why such people will jump up and down screaming when the Ten Commandments are displayed or the Creationist idea of monogamy from the book of Genesis is introduced.
The latter (Genesis) also ruins the illogical and non-biological arguments of homosexual monogamy. In a secular sense, homosexuality is an idolatry of perversion. It is in no way an anatomical function of the human organism, but a phantasmagoric creation from within the mentally disturbed human mind, a social psychosis, naked and on full exhibitionist display.
This is the whole crux (pun intended) of their attack on creationism - - they are really frustrated by Genesis, but cannot destroy the axiomatic state of procreant human biology, it does not fit their religious agenda.
Homosexual monogamy advocates seek ceremonious sanctification of their anatomical perversions and esoteric absolution for their guilt-ridden, impoverished egos.
Neither of those will satisfy their universal dissatisfaction with mortality or connect them to something eternal. With pantheons of fantasies as their medium of infinitization, they still have nothing in them of reality, any more than there is in the things that seem to stand before us in a dream.
Homosexual deviancy is really a pagan practice (and a self-induced social psychosis) at war with the Judaic culture over what is written in the book of Genesis (1:27, 2:18).
This is exactly what the National Socialists were at war with... so, when someone uses the term "Gaystapo," they might not realize how close to the truth they really are, especially if you consider their eugenic breeding programs.
Many will seek ceremonious sanctification and esoteric absolution in some type of marriage rite, but that still fails to give them a connection to the eternal in both a religious and temporal, procreant sense - - the union does not produce offspring.
Dissatisfaction with inevitable mortality only feeds the impoverishment of the ego further. Homosexuals really hate human life; their whole desire is rooted in the destruction of it...
Abortion is akin to slavery... life to be bought and sold...
Contemplate the religious fervor associated with the pro-abortion advocacy. The societal practice of abortion is ritual mass murder upon the altars of conceit dedicated to idolatrous vanities, a collective human sacrifice before pagan idols.
It has a similitude to the Teutonic paganism of Adolph Hitler (whose idolatry was the idea of a "master race," among other things). In effect, these genocides are a mass human sacrifice to those pagan idols. The abortionists, like the National Socialists, incinerate the remains of their victims.
Aleister Crowley, who openly supported the National Socialists, was affiliated with Ordo Templi Orientis, A.A. (Order of the Silver Star) and other such occult lodges all across Germany. Crowley engaged in all manner of deviancy, homoeroticism, sadomasochism and murder. Much of the occultism in National Socialism is derived directly from there.
Crowley envisioned himself as the Great Beast (To Mega Therion), just as der Fuhrer made himself in that image. Hitler's life as a struggling, inept artist was where that association blossomed.
Crowley's creed, "Do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the Law," (which is actually from Francois Rabelais) and used by Neo-Pagan nutcases without attribution for obvious politically correct reasons, is with certainty no different than the National Socialist "will to power," or their ubermensch mentality.
It is also no accident Nietzsche's "over-man" and nihilist philosophy and resulting insanity from venereal disease closely mirrors the insanity of der Fuhrer.
These occult orders, sex and drug cults still survive today, as do the Neo-pagan, Neo-Nazi groups, black supremacist Rastafarian potheads, prison gangs and other related filth.
Crowley occultism is also from where L. Ron Hubbard emerges with Scientology. Note the NAZI symbolism of that kooky cult of weirdoes and their deviant adherents. Hollywood Cultural Marxists love Scientology.
Ah, Hollywood! The fountain of fantastical images, perverts and hypocrisies! It is by no accident the Cultural Marxists of Hollywood are flaming haters of America, Israel and Christendom, and who advocate the most bizarre and psychotic.
Germany cracked down hard on the Scientologists for that reason and because they are using similar mind control techniques...
The axiomatic truth of procreant mammalian biology requires no words.
We are defined by nature. Civilization only gives the weakest man the ability to kill the strongest.
My brother is an athiest. But he never would deny any kind of public acceptance of religion, including mangers, angels, etc. Maybe there is hope for him.....he was raised a Catholic.
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