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The Coulter Hoax: How Ann Coulter Exposed the Intelligent Design Movement
Talk Reason (from Skeptical Inquirer) ^ | March 14, 2007 | Peter Olofsson

Posted on 03/31/2007 1:48:09 PM PDT by EveningStar

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To: hosepipe

I don't understand your post.


51 posted on 03/31/2007 3:04:07 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Jo Nuvark
My brain is in a twist!

LOL. The whole thing is completely over my head, Jo.

52 posted on 03/31/2007 3:06:48 PM PDT by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: Coyoteman

I don't think Coulter is smart enough to write convoluted satire.

It would certainly be lost on her target audience.


53 posted on 03/31/2007 3:08:11 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Never Let a Fundie Near a Textbook. Teach Evolution!)
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To: WOSG
It would be nice to see a similar debunking site: "Index of Liberal Claims"

Are you logged in? :)
54 posted on 03/31/2007 3:09:19 PM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (Capitalism is the economic expression of individual liberty. Pass it on.)
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To: Screamname

"The primates that are around today, Gorillas, Chimps, Orangutans, seem to have all survived when Cro-magnon, Neaderthals have not yet Cro-Magnons and Neaderthals were supposedly smarter than all those primates yet they died off."

And we're supposed to believe that only one tribe of apes started evolving after migrating out of the woods of Africa and into the grasslands hundreds of millions of years ago. And of course, this process never repeated itself at a later point in time. In reality, the process should be ongoing. We should see transitional Ape-Like creatures today from Apes that migrated to grasslands, say, 10 million years ago. At some point over the course of hundreds of millions of years the process would repeat itself at a later point in time.


55 posted on 03/31/2007 3:10:30 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

Like my brother was telling me, it all comes down to memory. The amount that humans can memorize is insane, it`s just impossible. There is something else at work there. There are tons of animals who have bigger brains, more "folds" yet you don`t see them memorizing to the extent of humans. By the time you finish reading this, it will be one more in billions of things you have memorized, yet the brain you have is a tad larger than your clenched fist. It`s impossible, there is something else involved. Like you said, it`s the soul, something that is out of phsyical limitations that is responsible.


56 posted on 03/31/2007 3:12:56 PM PDT by Screamname (The only reason time exists is so everything doesn`t happen all at once - Albert Einstein)
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To: Strategerist

In actuality they regularly interact with letters and papers that are negative...and they are posted.


57 posted on 03/31/2007 3:12:58 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Incorrigible

Thank goodness you did not pick a picture of Johnny Winter.


58 posted on 03/31/2007 3:14:27 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (In this (political) War, Republicans are gutless appeasers. -- Ann Coulter)
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To: kcvl

>> "Intelligent Design and Mathematical Statistics: A Troubled Alliance. Submitted, 2007"

It gets better when mathematicians engage in satire. Of course Olofsson's foundation of reason is based on the theories that underpin the ideal discipline of mathematics. Is it any coincidence the tools of mathematics are to us disposed or is the science of numbers something that evolves and is merely a petal to the fruits of one's ego?

Unfortunately for Olofsson, nothing exists in his scientific realm that provides the methods to either prove or disprove any theory of state other than the one he's currently experiencing or expressing.


59 posted on 03/31/2007 3:15:15 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem

Cute ... :-) ... but the organization of it with a claim counter-claim was quite effective. Maybe we need a media-wiki site to crate such a debunking mechanism.


60 posted on 03/31/2007 3:15:39 PM PDT by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: AntiGuv
"Mr. Olofsson is either himself satirizing Coulter"

Yes.

61 posted on 03/31/2007 3:15:46 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Jo Nuvark
This is satire - he is pretending that Coulter is satirizing ID in her book when he knows full well it was written as a serious defense of ID aimed at just these types of readers:

"It is unfortunate that some people are so insecure in their faith that they fear their own intellects, especially as the concept of man's free choice is central in Christian theology, making it perfectly logical that God has created the world so that we can explain it without assuming Him as a hypothesis."

62 posted on 03/31/2007 3:17:08 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: EveningStar

I say I just don't care but I'll look at the pictures.


63 posted on 03/31/2007 3:17:12 PM PDT by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: EveningStar

Ann's writing on evolution is satire. That is what Ann does. She writes satire. This is obvious to all but those she poking fun at. If does not matter if she is poking fun at the "witches of Eastwick" or ID. It is all satire. That is what makes Ann so great (besides being beautiful).


64 posted on 03/31/2007 3:18:44 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (History convinces me that bad government results from too much government. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: protest1
Here are some better links for the thinkers.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/qa.asp

http://www.icr.org


I posted a link to a website which is based on science. Your links lead to websites based on apologetics, not science.

But since you mention the Institute for Creation Research, check out their Tenets of Scientific Creationism (excerpts below).

They are doing pure apologetics, not science.


Tenets of Scientific Creationism


65 posted on 03/31/2007 3:20:06 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: EveningStar

"Sokal was disturbed by the sloppily antiscientific, postmodernistic mentality that had started to replace reason and rationality within the academic left and ingeniously made his point by managing to get his nonsense article published by the very people he wished to expose."


Sounds like this guy's got a case of projection to me.


66 posted on 03/31/2007 3:21:42 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: highlander_UW
I thought the article was about ID...you appear to think it's about creationists. Was there 2 articles?


What is intelligent design?

It's the missing link between creationism and religious instruction masquerading as biology.

Bruce Bower, Science News, vol. 168 (Nos 26 & 27), 2006, p. 414.


67 posted on 03/31/2007 3:22:15 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Screamname
There are bigger and more folded brains... but there may be something more on the level of interconnectivity.

However, I see now reason why evolution could not take the brain to a level where it can generate or attract a soul.

68 posted on 03/31/2007 3:24:06 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (WWGD -- What would Groucho do?)
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To: K4Harty
When they start reading what's out there about c14 dating methods...

I do a lot of radiocarbon dating.

Do you have any specific problems you can share with us?

69 posted on 03/31/2007 3:25:25 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: K4Harty
Long time no see C-man. Part of it's my fault, I've pretty much stayed away from the CREVO threads. :o)

Hope all is well.

Thank you for the kind comments.

These threads have changed a lot in the past few months since a lot of the science-oriented folks gave up and left, but I'm still hanging on!

70 posted on 03/31/2007 3:27:48 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: EveningStar

Ann Coulter = leanest meanest RINO exposer.. RINOs are really democrats in drag.. Liberals could care less about AC but RINOS despise her..


71 posted on 03/31/2007 3:32:40 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe

Actually, I'd say liberals pretty much despise her as much as anyone.


72 posted on 03/31/2007 3:35:16 PM PDT by pcottraux (Fred Thompson pronounces it "P. Coe-troe"...in 2008.)
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To: WOSG

Plenty of time for changes, But that is beside the point. Change from what to what? Do you believe in the concept of species? Darwin was talking about changes in forms, but are the forms real or simply a matter of appearances? The debate is really philosophical, and it has been going on since the time of the Greeks.


73 posted on 03/31/2007 3:37:06 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: pcottraux
[ Actually, I'd say liberals pretty much despise her as much as anyone. ]

Ann Coulter is an equal opportunity traitor basher whether democrat or RINO..

74 posted on 03/31/2007 3:37:09 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe

It's actually kind of funny to watch. The Left and RINOs HATE this woman so much...it's like they feel so threatened by her. They are foaming-at-the-mouth insane over Ann and the things she says. Like I said...it's actually kind of amusing.


75 posted on 03/31/2007 3:40:11 PM PDT by pcottraux (Fred Thompson pronounces it "P. Coe-troe"...in 2008.)
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To: Coyoteman
What is intelligent design? It's the missing link between creationism and religious instruction masquerading as biology. Bruce Bower, Science News, vol. 168 (Nos 26 & 27), 2006, p. 414.

One might guess that Bruce Bower is not an ID advocate...so you're turning to critics of a view for the definition of that view? So I assume when you need a definition of something conservative you immediately run to liberals to provide it if you're consistent...is that correct?

76 posted on 03/31/2007 3:40:11 PM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
for those who just espouse out and out creationism rather than try and redefine science to meet their political goals

Well I have respect for people who make compelling arguments and Ann did a great job.

77 posted on 03/31/2007 3:42:35 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: EveningStar

He said: "Ann Coulter, is not a scientist"

EVOLUTION IS NOT A SCIENCE .. IT'S A THEORY!!

Or .. it's just the opinion of someone .. not a scientific revelation.


78 posted on 03/31/2007 3:42:55 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("... first time in history the U.S. House has attempted to surrender via C-SPAN TV ...")
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To: Screamname
You would think at LEAST one other species would have the same, but no. None exist.

They have, but the humans were smart enough to eliminate them.

< }B^)

79 posted on 03/31/2007 3:43:26 PM PDT by Erasmus (This tagline on sabbatical.)
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To: Cicero; All

Exactly!!

He said: "Ann Coulter is not a scientist"

EVOLOTION IS NOT A SCIENCE - IT'S A THEORY!!


80 posted on 03/31/2007 3:46:06 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("... first time in history the U.S. House has attempted to surrender via C-SPAN TV ...")
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

Why focus so much on the brain? Shouldn't we take the body as a whole and consider what role the each organ plays?


81 posted on 03/31/2007 3:46:11 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: highlander_UW
One might guess that Bruce Bower is not an ID advocate...so you're turning to critics of a view for the definition of that view?

You don't think critics of a particular viewpoint should attempt to define that viewpoint?

Boy, a lot of creationists on this site are going to be after you!

If they can't come up with strawman definitions of evolution what will they do?

;-)

82 posted on 03/31/2007 3:47:09 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: EveningStar

This idiot has a PHD in Mathematics and mathematics itself proves that evolution could not happen. My tag line once more comes into play.


83 posted on 03/31/2007 3:48:41 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: Erasmus

You mean the the other hominids. It seems off, however, that these "others "were not capable for finding some refuge somewhere.


84 posted on 03/31/2007 3:48:43 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: pcottraux; hosepipe

I think it's possible to disagree with a person once in a while and not be a RINO or traitor.


85 posted on 03/31/2007 3:50:09 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Coyoteman

The science supports creation and not evolution as is clearly shown.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/qa.asp

http://www.icr.org/


86 posted on 03/31/2007 3:51:49 PM PDT by protest1
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To: RobbyS; Celtjew Libertarian
Shouldn't we take the body as a whole and consider what role the each organ plays?

Are you sure you want to go there? There are some South Park Republicans on this thread. :)

87 posted on 03/31/2007 3:52:47 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
My question: Mr Olofsson may think he has written something cute, however, has he made one word of sense?
88 posted on 03/31/2007 3:53:10 PM PDT by jonrick46
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To: Jo Nuvark

Actually it's monkey intellect. (see tag line)


89 posted on 03/31/2007 3:53:16 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: CyberAnt
EVOLOTION IS NOT A SCIENCE - IT'S A THEORY!!


Piling up facts is not science--science is facts-and-theories. Facts alone have limited use and lack meaning: a valid theory organizes them into far greater usefulness.

A powerful theory not only embraces old facts and new but also discloses unsuspected facts.

Expanded Universe: The New Worlds of Robert A. Heinlein, 1980, pp. 480-481


If you are interested in some good definitions of some terms used in science, I have an extensive list and would be happy to post it.
90 posted on 03/31/2007 3:53:46 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: EveningStar

Well, uh...so do I.

Are you talking about anyone in particular? Me personally, I was just referring to RINOs and the Left in general. Read a typical DU thread on Ann Coulter or a whole chapter in some hysterical liberal book entirely dedicated to her and you'll see what I mean.


91 posted on 03/31/2007 3:54:59 PM PDT by pcottraux (Fred Thompson pronounces it "P. Coe-troe"...in 2008.)
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To: EveningStar

Well, the portion of Godless dealing with the theory of evolution is rather small to begin with. The way the darwinists here were rending their garments over it, I thought the whole book was about it (but I should have known better). When she does write about it, it is about mostly the legal issues surrounding it. I thought it was a great book.


92 posted on 03/31/2007 3:56:05 PM PDT by Hacksaw (Appalachian by the grace of God!)
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To: EveningStar

Is this news or activism?


93 posted on 03/31/2007 3:56:08 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Cicero

Yup, fake astonishment that anyone could question the THEORY of evolution. And definitely hard to follow.


94 posted on 03/31/2007 3:56:35 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Cicero

"There's nothing here to argue with, because there's no argument to refute. Just mush."

Then of course it gets put in the news activism section.


95 posted on 03/31/2007 3:57:34 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill

It's just an article. I saw it posted elsewhere. It looked like an interesting take. I thought people on all sides would like to read it.


96 posted on 03/31/2007 4:00:16 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Coyoteman

No thank you! I was just commenting on the fact that the author thought Ann couldn't have an opinion because she wasn't a scientist .. but evolution is NOT A SCIENCE .. so Ann doesn't have to be a scientist to comment!!

That was my point!


97 posted on 03/31/2007 4:04:21 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("... first time in history the U.S. House has attempted to surrender via C-SPAN TV ...")
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To: highlander_UW; Coyoteman
One might guess that Bruce Bower is not an ID advocate...so you're turning to critics of a view for the definition of that view? So I assume when you need a definition of something conservative you immediately run to liberals to provide it if you're consistent...is that correct?

Well, Coyoteman tends to cut and past the same quotes and soundbites over and over again rather than stick to the issue. It gets old.

98 posted on 03/31/2007 4:04:47 PM PDT by Hacksaw (Appalachian by the grace of God!)
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To: Hacksaw; CyberAnt
Well, Coyoteman tends to cut and past the same quotes and soundbites over and over again rather than stick to the issue. It gets old.

CyberAnt doesn't want to see my list of definitions. Can I assume from your comment that you don't want to see it either. I have it all ready to cut and paste!

;-)

99 posted on 03/31/2007 4:08:27 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: EveningStar

How many of you evos are anti-abortion? And, if so, why?


100 posted on 03/31/2007 4:08:28 PM PDT by razorbak
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