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To: Coyoteman
Here is a nice link for the lurkers: Index of Creationist Claims.

I thought the article was about ID...you appear to think it's about creationists. Was there 2 articles?

25 posted on 03/31/2007 2:25:52 PM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: highlander_UW
I thought the article was about ID...you appear to think it's about creationists. Was there 2 articles?


What is intelligent design?

It's the missing link between creationism and religious instruction masquerading as biology.

Bruce Bower, Science News, vol. 168 (Nos 26 & 27), 2006, p. 414.


67 posted on 03/31/2007 3:22:15 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: highlander_UW
[Here is a nice link for the lurkers: Index of Creationist Claims.]

I thought the article was about ID...you appear to think it's about creationists. Was there 2 articles?

No, it's just that ID is (very) thinly disguised creationism. For example, try saying something insulting about the alleged designer and see how fast the "ID" folks start whining about you "attacking God" or "attacking religion"... Discuss the flaws in the "Intelligent Design" arguments and see how often you get called "anti-God", etc., by the vast number of folks who are trying to get "ID" into schools precisely *because* they see it as a way of "returning God to the classroom". Etc. etc.

"Intelligent Design" is just a Trojan horse for creationism. Read the transcripts of the Dover _Kitzmiller_ trial for more than ample evidence on that score.

Also see:

ARE THERE ANY IMPORTANT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN INTELLIGENT DESIGN AND CREATIONISM?

"Intelligent Design": Religion Masquerading as Science

The "New" Creationism

Intelligent Design: The New Stealth Creationism

The Bait and Switch of "Intelligent Design": Religion Masquerading as Science

Intentional Deception: Intelligent Design Creationism

Creationism's Trojan Horse: The Wedge of Intelligent Design

Barbara Forrest's Expert Witness Report & Trial Transcripts, Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area School District

The "Intelligent Design" book "Of Pandas and People" started out as a book on "creationism" (explicitly), then suddenly "morphed" into a book on "intelligent design" (via the authors swapping the labels, but NOT the text or even the definition of "creationism"-oops-we-meant-ID) when a court case struck down "scientific creationism" from the classroom:

In their unguarded moments, the leaders of the "ID" movement even admit it flat out:

The protestations of "ID isn't creationism" don't seem to be fooling anyone, not even the editorial cartoonists:


147 posted on 03/31/2007 6:05:10 PM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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