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Climate change ‘could create 200m refugees’
Times online ^ | April 1, 2007 | Jonathan Leake

Posted on 04/01/2007 5:12:27 PM PDT by wouldntbprudent

EQUATORIAL lands that are home to hundreds of millions of people will become uninhabitable as food and water run out due to climate change, scientists will warn this week.

A report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), to be published on Friday, will warn that the temperature rises of 2-3C predicted by 2050 spell global disaster for both humanity and the environment.

It will say that up to 40% of animal and plant species face extinction as rising temperatures destroy the ecosystems that support them. And it will point out that the 29 billion tons of carbon dioxide poured into the atmosphere each year are acidifying the oceans – threatening to destroy coral reefs, plankton and many commercial fish species.

By the middle of the century, the report will warn, more than 200m people could have been forced from their native lands by rising sea levels, floods and droughts, with many more facing early deaths from malnutrition and heat stress.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 04/01/2007 5:12:28 PM PDT by wouldntbprudent
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To: wouldntbprudent

They never quit.


2 posted on 04/01/2007 5:14:07 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: wouldntbprudent

And monkeys "could" fly out of my butt.


3 posted on 04/01/2007 5:14:46 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Championship U)
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To: wouldntbprudent; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; honolulugal; gruffwolf; ...

FReepmail me to get on or off


Click on POGW graphic for full GW rundown

Ping me if you find one I've missed.


global dumbing on the march...
4 posted on 04/01/2007 5:15:07 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: wouldntbprudent

I am not surpised that as we have taken God out of public discourse, we truly believe that, in our lifetime, WE will destroy ourselves by negatively controlling the weather?

I wish someone would write a book correlating the fear of God morphing into the fear of the Earth. Tragic.


5 posted on 04/01/2007 5:16:04 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: wouldntbprudent

Malthusian catastrophe ping


6 posted on 04/01/2007 5:16:29 PM PDT by Quick or Dead (Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms - Aristotle)
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To: wouldntbprudent
In addition to Giant Ants from "Nuk-u-lur" power...


7 posted on 04/01/2007 5:17:29 PM PDT by Dallas59 (AL GORE STALKED ME ON 2/25/2007!)
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To: wouldntbprudent
<Saying BullS**t while pretending to cough>
8 posted on 04/01/2007 5:18:43 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: wouldntbprudent

This is so frightening that I wish I hadn't survived the Y2K disaster.


9 posted on 04/01/2007 5:20:38 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: wouldntbprudent; All

now they complain about "warming" but call it "climate change" (global warming is too ridiculous)


Remember when the earth would even recover from a nuclear holocost?

Now a cow fart is a permanent disaster....


10 posted on 04/01/2007 5:22:17 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: johniegrad

Don't forget in 2000 the world ran out of food.

Don't forget in 2000 the world was a frozen iced age.

Don't forget in 2000 the world ran out of oil.

Don't forget in 2000 the world ran out of drinking water.


we were very DOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!


aaaa memories.


11 posted on 04/01/2007 5:27:42 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: wouldntbprudent
200 million by 2050 eh.

No sweat!

Isn't that pretty much the total amount of people at the present rate of entry into this country by seekers of low skilled jobs?

If these are truly the numbers of refuges caused by global warming, wouldn't that put the entire population of South American into North America?

12 posted on 04/01/2007 5:30:34 PM PDT by R_Kangel ("Please insert witty tag-line here")
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To: wouldntbprudent

President Hillary Clinton could produce about 150M refugees (out of the U.S.)...


13 posted on 04/01/2007 5:32:46 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: wouldntbprudent

I have a Final Solution.


14 posted on 04/01/2007 5:33:40 PM PDT by Lazamataz (God: Always, In All Ways.)
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To: wouldntbprudent
Climate change ‘could create 200m refugees’

or maybe it won't

15 posted on 04/01/2007 5:33:49 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude () On 9-11 Muslim missionaries came a callin' ()
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To: longtermmemmory

I've been around livestock most of my life and I seem to remember horses being much more prolific farters than any cattle I can remember. Hence the old couplet, "A farting horse will never tire. A farting man's the man to hire".


16 posted on 04/01/2007 5:40:21 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: ThreePuttinDude

So 200 thousand refugees. Big deal.


17 posted on 04/01/2007 5:41:33 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: R_Kangel
"200 million by 2050 eh."

Yeah, and besides, doesn't this create a dilemma for the environmentalists/global warming/greenies? After all, these socialist/elitists not only believe in global warming as a religion but they also believe in limiting and even reducing global population. Sooo, what's their problem?

18 posted on 04/01/2007 5:43:32 PM PDT by snoringbear
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To: wouldntbprudent

19 posted on 04/01/2007 5:48:34 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (QMC(SW) Ret.)
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To: wouldntbprudent

In the past, the movement of populations due to climate change was call migration.


20 posted on 04/01/2007 5:56:27 PM PDT by black_diamond
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To: black_diamond

Global Warming = Global Climate Change = Taxation (=where all the communists have gone)


This is the ultimate "we need big goverment" scam


21 posted on 04/01/2007 5:59:32 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
This is the ultimate "we need big goverment" scam

The only glimmer of hope is that this is a U.N. shindig. That organization seems an unlikely candidate to get anything organized.

22 posted on 04/01/2007 6:07:07 PM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: Lazamataz
I have a Final Solution.

You do realize that, on average, a person exhales 16 tons of CO2 over a lifetime, and that's not even counting the much more potent infrared absorbing methane farts.

23 posted on 04/01/2007 6:17:57 PM PDT by seowulf
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To: wouldntbprudent
By the middle of the century, the report will warn, more than 200m people could have been forced from their native lands by rising sea levels...

200 millipeople, or 0.2 people?

Anyway; wake me up when beachfront property reaches $1/acre because everyone is fleeing the impending flood. Is the UN, home to the IPCC, making plans to move their boggy NY digs before The Next Great Deluge? Didn't think so. In fact, that would be a great question to ask at the next IPCC news orgy. I won't hold my breath...

24 posted on 04/01/2007 6:22:52 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: wouldntbprudent
It will say that up to 40% of animal and plant species face extinction

That means we better eat them now.

25 posted on 04/01/2007 6:28:14 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: wouldntbprudent
Climate change ‘could create 200m refugees’

Communism created how many refugees?

Communism killed how many people?

26 posted on 04/01/2007 6:29:39 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: wouldntbprudent
It is now crystal clear on why this 'scientific' report is being released in pieces....they want the opportunity to release really scary stories over several months to maximize the fear-factor.

The claim that the earth temperature is going to rise 2-3 degrees by 2050 is pure lunacy. They don't even bother to tell us how high the seas are going to rise because they are so full of crap.

27 posted on 04/01/2007 6:31:02 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: wouldntbprudent

Where's the guy with the headache?


28 posted on 04/01/2007 6:32:58 PM PDT by Ieatfrijoles (Incinerate Riyadh Now.(Request shot splash))
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Saying BullS**t while pretending to cough

My very thought on reading this. Except that I won't cough.

There's an air of desperation now, on the part of those pushing the catastrophe scenario. My general feeling about the solemn pronouncements about species wiped out, refugees from flooding, etc. is that, in truth, these are WAGs (Wild Ass Guesses), even though there may be reams of calculations in support of the figgers.

I'm just not buying. The total hard sell is convincing me that there's no there there.

29 posted on 04/01/2007 6:44:09 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: longtermmemmory
Global Warming = Global Climate Change = Taxation.

This is the ultimate "we need big goverment" scam.

The recent new spin on global warming seems to me to be in the direction of increased aid for 3rd world countries. Recent soundbites alledge that these countries will be hurt the most by global warming. With the U.N. involved, I think this is the hidden underlying reason for all the hysteria.

30 posted on 04/01/2007 6:56:45 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
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To: wouldntbprudent

According to CNN, global warming will never happen...


World oil and gas 'running out'
By CNN's Graham Jones
Thursday, October 2, 2003 Posted: 1245 GMT ( 8:45 PM HKT)

LONDON, England -- Global warming will never bring a "doomsday scenario" a team of scientists says -- because oil and gas are running out much faster than thought.

The world's oil reserves are up to 80 percent less than predicted, a team from Sweden's University of Uppsala says. Production levels will peak in about 10 years' time, they say.

"Non-fossil fuels must come in much stronger than it had been hoped," Professor Kjell Alekett told CNN.

Oil production levels will hit their maximum soon after 2010 with gas supplies peaking not long afterwards, the Swedish geologists say.

At that point prices for petrol and other fuels will reach disastrous levels. Earlier studies have predicted oil supplies will not start falling until 2050.

read the rest...
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/10/02/global.warming/


31 posted on 04/01/2007 7:07:12 PM PDT by UglyinLA
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To: wouldntbprudent

An extremely small price to pay as global warming allows enough food to be produced to feed the current 6 billion, and, no doubt, several billion more.

When our current season of warming inevitably returns to the cooler season of the cycle, mankind will then face a crisis.


32 posted on 04/01/2007 7:08:45 PM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: Moonman62

Yes.

I love animals.

They're delicious.

And I take care of all God's creations.

Right next to the mashed potatoes and peas.


33 posted on 04/01/2007 7:09:44 PM PDT by wouldntbprudent
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To: Moonman62

But global warming is caused by George Dubya Bush. Doncha get it? /s


34 posted on 04/01/2007 7:10:48 PM PDT by wouldntbprudent
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To: Ieatfrijoles

I was wondering about him lately myself. lol

Haven't seen him around. But he's certainly welcome on this thread.


35 posted on 04/01/2007 7:11:46 PM PDT by wouldntbprudent
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To: wouldntbprudent

Gore-Bull Warming is a terrible thing to contemplate.


36 posted on 04/01/2007 7:12:59 PM PDT by rock58seg (Conservative American skeptics: The worlds last bastion of sanity.)
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To: UglyinLA

Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!

Really, that was a good catch. Lessee, it's 2007 now . . . world oil and gas should be just about running out, according to CNN, right?

Right?

((crickets chirping))


37 posted on 04/01/2007 7:13:35 PM PDT by wouldntbprudent
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To: wouldntbprudent

If this is a bit hard to digest, go here for a simpler explanation:

http://www.hydrogen.co.uk/h2_now/journal/articles/2_global_warming.htm


38 posted on 04/01/2007 7:14:24 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: johniegrad
This is so frightening that I wish I hadn't survived the Y2K disaster.

POST OF THE DAY!!

39 posted on 04/01/2007 7:14:58 PM PDT by wouldntbprudent
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To: Past Your Eyes

I don't know about horses and I don't know about cattle, but my Australian cattle dog sure can rattle.


40 posted on 04/01/2007 7:16:41 PM PDT by wouldntbprudent
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To: snoringbear

Exactly. Since when have they been against de-population.


41 posted on 04/01/2007 7:17:17 PM PDT by wouldntbprudent
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To: UglyinLA

"reserves are up to 80 percent less "

That's more than five times than what I thought we'd lost.


42 posted on 04/01/2007 7:18:02 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: wouldntbprudent

The IPCC does not carry out research nor does it monitor climate related data or other relevant parameters. It bases its assessment mainly on peer reviewed and published scientific/technical literature.


The 'distinquished elite members' of Cuba, Syria, Mexico, etc. are making the decisions for the UNITED STATES?! I don't think so!


http://www.ipcc.ch/about/faq/IPCC%20Who%20is%20who.pdf

Susan Solomon, from the United States, I suppose 'represents' the United States.


After graduating from IIT she went to graduate school at the University of California at Berkeley.

"How can I get a glacier named after me?" A scientist named Susan Solomon has earned this very honor, with her name given to a glacier in the coldest place on earth, Antarctica.


Glanz, James. "How Susan Solomon's Research Changed Our View of Earth." R&D Magazine, 1994, 34(9), 46.

****

In place of making expeditions to the South Pole and Greenland, her old stomping grounds, she spent chunks of the last five years hunkered in gray buildings in Beijing, New Delhi, Marrakech and Paris running meeting after meeting of experts from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

The panel was convened by the United Nations in 1988 — a year of record heat, burning forests and the first big headlines about greenhouse gases and global warming — to provide regular reviews of climate science to governments to inform policy choices.

Dr. Solomon, a senior scientist for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and Qin Dahe, head of the Chinese meteorological agency, were charged with generating the fourth report and summary since 1990 of advances in climate science. The final editing of the 20-page summary through four days and nights last week involved approval by 113 governments. Several participants credited Dr. Solomon with ensuring that last-minute demands, particularly from China and the United States, did not derail the process or distort the science.

Dr. Solomon and many colleagues defend this procedure, melding science and diplomacy, as a way to give nations some ownership of the results and, thus, responsibility for reflecting the findings in policies. But others see it as an opportunity for political meddling.

The summary, released on Friday in Paris, was the first from the group to pinpoint with greater than 90 percent certainty that humans had become the main force driving warming and that centuries of increasing temperatures and seas could be blunted only if emissions of heat-trapping gases were promptly reduced. At a news conference in Paris on Friday, United Nations officials quickly called for action to cut emissions and limit catastrophic effects, particularly on the poorest countries.


43 posted on 04/01/2007 7:29:56 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Very interesting . . .


44 posted on 04/01/2007 7:33:40 PM PDT by wouldntbprudent
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To: Ieatfrijoles
Where's the guy with the headache?


45 posted on 04/01/2007 7:38:10 PM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: rock58seg
Gore Mulling Green Party Run!
46 posted on 04/01/2007 7:39:47 PM PDT by wouldntbprudent
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To: UglyinLA

"because oil and gas are running out much faster than thought."

but in the GW propaganda, thought is almost completely absent... when there is less oil and gas than this amount of thought, we are indeed in for some changes...


47 posted on 04/01/2007 7:54:29 PM PDT by RippinGood
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To: wouldntbprudent
Climate change ‘could create 200m refugees’

Man, those would be some big refugees!

48 posted on 04/02/2007 12:06:56 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Capt. Tom

LMAO. Thanks.


49 posted on 04/02/2007 6:57:25 AM PDT by Ieatfrijoles (Incinerate Riyadh Now.(Request shot splash))
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