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New child checks to identify future criminals[UK]
Telegraph ^ | 28 March 2007 | Philip Johnston

Posted on 04/01/2007 6:49:28 PM PDT by Dacb

Checks will be made on all children to identify potential criminals under a further extension of the "surveillance state" announced by Tony Blair today.

A Downing Street review of law and order policy also called for greater use of sophisticated CCTV, an expanded DNA database and "instant justice" powers for police.

The review is intended to chart a course ahead for the next 10 years by focusing more "on the offender, not the offence."

Most crime is committed by a small number of prolific offenders who could be identified almost from birth, ministers believe. After 10 years concentrating on tougher sentences, the review paper said it wanted to tackle the "underlying causes..through better targetting."

Vulnerable children and those at risk will be identified by "trigger" factors such as parents in jail or on drugs. They will be subject to personalised measures, including home visits from specialist practitioners. But the Government says the net should be cast as widely as possible "to prevent criminality developing."

It proposes to "establish universal checks throughout a child’s development to help service providers to identify those most at risk of offending." The document added: "These checks should piggyback on existing contact points such as the transition to secondary schools."

The plan will be beacked up by a new database for all children due to be up and running by 2008. It will contain basic information identifying the child and its parents and will have a "facility for practitioners to indicate to others that they have information to share, are taking action, or have undertaken an assessment, in relation to a child.”

The database was ostensibly proposed to prevent another tragic death such as that of Victoria Climbie but now appears to be the basis for cradle-to-adult monitoring. It is not clear when data will be erased from the database.

The Government believes children can be prevented from becoming offenders if early intervention is targeted at those who displayed certain behaviours. These include having a short attention span or behaving aggressively or living in a difficult or deprived environment.

Some children who show signs of becoming criminals are logged and monitored by dozens of early interventions schemes. Those aged 8-13 may be referred to a Youth Inclusion and Support Panel if they are thought to be potential offenders and data about them is held on an information system.

Other agencies target 50 children and young people thought most 'at risk’ of offending, truancy or social exclusion.

Mr Blair said the main aim of policy was to tackle the “hard core” of 100,000 criminals who, he said, commit about half of all crimes in England and Wales. Career criminals would be subject to prolific offender licences, punishable by three years’ jail if broken, which would impose a range of restrictions on their activities.

“They are not an alternative to prison. They are in addition to prison,” Mr Blair said when he launched the review at a conference in Westminster. “But we have to ensure that, when people leave prison, they do not rebound straight back in."

He added: “These people have serious problems and targeting the offender means taking those problems seriously.

“If we want a criminal justice system that works, we have to target the offender and not simply the offence.”

Other measures include tougher community sentences and special units for mentally ill prisoners, where drug treatment would be available.

The Home Office also announced a review of policing to be carried out by Sir Ronnie Fanagan. the chief inspector of constabulary. He will try to find ways to cut red tape, make the police more accessible to the public and give forces greater say over their budgets.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: criminals; database; surveillancestate

1 posted on 04/01/2007 6:49:30 PM PDT by Dacb
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To: Dacb
"These include having a short attention span or behaving aggressively or living in a difficult or deprived environment."

Might be wise to check out the religious affiliation of the parents... (wink wink)

2 posted on 04/01/2007 6:56:32 PM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: Dacb

Sounds like the beginnings of a slippery slope to eugenics, therapeutic abortion, and a Final Solution.


3 posted on 04/01/2007 6:58:46 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised)
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To: lightman
Sounds like the beginnings of a slippery slope to eugenics, therapeutic abortion, and a Final Solution.

Or shades of Minority Report where you're arrested before you commit a crime

4 posted on 04/01/2007 7:02:50 PM PDT by teacherwoes (A fugitive from a Democrat Congress)
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To: teacherwoes; babygene; lightman

April fools.


5 posted on 04/01/2007 7:05:01 PM PDT by Sundog (We are all counting down the days.)
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To: lightman

this should help to ship them off to the colonies or Australia before they really damage English society.
The penal colonies are better able to handle these people.


6 posted on 04/01/2007 7:05:43 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Dacb

Hilliary and the brown-shirts on this side of the pond will LOVE this.....it'll be part of her campaign, soon.


7 posted on 04/01/2007 7:07:10 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Sundog

LOL. If only they clicked your link. Of course then again it is easy to believe in this day and age.


8 posted on 04/01/2007 7:07:32 PM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: Sundog

You sure?


9 posted on 04/01/2007 7:10:32 PM PDT by null and void (To Marines, male bonding happens in Boot Camp, to Democrats, it happens at a Gay Pride parade...)
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To: babygene

>>"These include having a short attention span or behaving aggressively or living in a difficult or deprived environment."

I got three out of four!


10 posted on 04/01/2007 7:17:14 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: Dacb
an expanded DNA database and "instant justice" powers for police.

Instant Justice?

It's been done!

11 posted on 04/01/2007 7:20:24 PM PDT by kAcknor (Don't flatter yourself.... It is a gun in my pocket.)
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To: Dacb
Freepers think this is a policy that can and should be done

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1810064/posts

Put the mother away, problem solved.

12 posted on 04/01/2007 7:28:00 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Being a political pundit is so easy anyone can do it, And does)
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To: null and void

Been gone for a while, Nully, what's this they say about you on the DD thread, that you may be less than kindly disposed toward Gran? Bless her heart.

Whether kids are criminals or not depends on how they are raised for the next eighteen years. Genetically, the genius and the kingpin don't differ.

How was your upbringing?


13 posted on 04/01/2007 7:32:34 PM PDT by Sundog (We are all counting down the days.)
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To: Dacb
Most crime is committed by a small number of prolific offenders

I heard this language a decade and a half ago when this state Believed it... until I looked up the recidivism stats available even then.

The incorrigibles do exist, but I have yet to see stats that suggest "a small number of prolific offenders" are responsible for most crime. (I'd be more than happy to see studies that establish that this is the case.)

14 posted on 04/01/2007 7:47:26 PM PDT by sionnsar (?trad-anglican.faithweb.com?|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Sundog

That's what they are saying.

Yeah, they're both nonconformists.

Marine Corps Brat, sir!


15 posted on 04/01/2007 8:05:11 PM PDT by null and void (To Marines, male bonding happens in Boot Camp, to Democrats, it happens at a Gay Pride parade...)
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To: Dacb

"having a short attention span or behaving aggressively"

i.e. Boys.

Or anyone exposed to "modern edumacation."


16 posted on 04/01/2007 8:23:33 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (McCain / Feingold - 2008 ... "Shut Up or Go To Prison")
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To: Dacb

Brought to you by the same people who brought you the government post office . . .

and the State Department . . .

And the MSM . . .

And the Marxist universities . . .

And the globalist traitors . . .

. . .

all for the children, of course.

1984 is beginning to look mild.


17 posted on 04/01/2007 8:30:48 PM PDT by Quix (AN AUTHENTIC RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST AND SPIRITUAL WARFARE PREVENTS ET ABDUCTIONS, STOPS SAME)
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To: Sundog

The first 8 years is most crucial. And the first 5 of those super most critical.

REACTIVE ATTACHMENT DISORDER is a real deadly problem.


18 posted on 04/01/2007 8:32:23 PM PDT by Quix (AN AUTHENTIC RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST AND SPIRITUAL WARFARE PREVENTS ET ABDUCTIONS, STOPS SAME)
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To: lightman

>>> Sounds like the beginnings <<<<

No it's more like a revival

A good book to read:

The State Boys Rebellion
http://www.simonsays.com/content/content.cfm?sid=33&pid=422319

It’s interesting that Germany looked to the US for it’s ideas on eugenics.

Excerpt from link:

Though they couldn't possible know it, the children of the Fernald State School were the victims of bad science and a newly developed bureaucracy designed to save America from the so-called "menace of the feebleminded." Beginning early in the twentieth century, United States health officials used crude versions of the modern IQ tests to identify supposedly "deficient" children and lock them away. The idea was to protect society from potential criminals and to prevent so-called undesirables from having children and degrading the American gene pool......

...... It reveals the danger in misguided science, the fearsome power of unchecked bureaucracies,


19 posted on 04/01/2007 8:52:18 PM PDT by quietolong
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To: Dacb

>>> It proposes to "establish universal checks throughout a child’s development to help service providers to identify those most at risk of offending." <<<<

U.S. court upholds same-sex teaching to children
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1790407/posts

>>> "entitled to teach anything that is reasonably related to the goals of preparing students to become engaged and productive citizens in our democracy." <<<

Think about it.

Homosexual Lawyers Try to Hide What Happened at Fistgate
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3af058b05e4d.htm

Parent Hit With "Fistgate Lawsuit Responds to Charges.
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a397dbd4958bc.htm

Fistgate Teachers Knew They Were Violating Trust
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/517144/posts


20 posted on 04/01/2007 8:57:05 PM PDT by quietolong
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To: null and void

Air Force Brat here, learned lots of electronics from my dad.


21 posted on 04/01/2007 9:57:25 PM PDT by Sundog (We are all counting down the days.)
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To: Dacb

BIG BROTHER IS REALLY HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1984 was just a little late in coming.


22 posted on 04/01/2007 10:08:37 PM PDT by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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