Posted on 04/03/2007 8:56:28 PM PDT by freedomdefender
The new head of the Italian bishops conference has made political waves by asking on what basis may incest and pedophilia be denied if Italy legalizes same-sex unions and other alternatives to the family.
Archbishop Angelo Bagnasco of Genoa, who was appointed last month to lead the Italian Bishops Conference, is spearheading efforts of the Catholic Church in Italy against legislation giving unmarried unions – including same-sex ones – legal status and benefits.
“Why say 'no' to forms of legally recognised co-habitation which create alternatives to the family? Why say 'no' to incest?” the Archbishop said at a meeting of Church workers, according to the Italian journal, La Repubblica.
“Why say 'no' to the pedophile party in Holland?” Bagnasco stated, referring to the Dutch Brotherly Love, Freedom and Diversity party, which lobbies to reduce the age of consent from 16 to 12 and legalize child pornography.
Supporters of the “DICO” bill, which would grant legal recognition of opposite and same-sex civil unions and benefits, immediately objected that the Archbishop had equated the legislation with pedophilia and incest.
Environment minister Alfonso Pecoraro Scanio, a vociferous advocate of the homosexual agenda, said Archbishop Bagnasco had created a “grave, foolish comparison which offends millions of people”.
However, an editorial in Avvenire, the official newspaper of the Italian Bishops Conference, dismissed the controversy as a “storm in a teacup”, saying that Archbishop Bagnasco had merely illustrated the fact that family policy must be founded on principles other than whichever way public opinion gravitates.
“No equating DICO with incest or pedophilia, then, in his words,” the newspaper said.
In other words, the Church is emphasizing family policy must have a basis in natural law and the moral order, or else public opinion someday may justify with law destructive sexual relationships once believed inconceivable, even well beyond homosexual unions.
Italy's bishops have called on Catholic politicians to vote against the bill backed by Prime Minister Romano Prodi, warning that it undermines traditional marriage and the family, which Pope Benedict XVI has called a "pillar of humanity."
Benedict XVI has warned that projects legalizing pseudo-marriage arrangements are “dangerous and counterproductive” to the health of society by “weakening and destabilizing the legitimate family based on marriage."
"Only the foundation of complete and irrevocable love between man and woman is capable of forming the basis of a society that becomes the home of all men.”
You said — “Gay marriage” affects real marriage the way counterfeit money affects real money.
You mean, it makes you suspicious and wary of “real marriage”? Or, do you mean it debases the currency?
Regards,
Star Traveler
Finally, someone on the level of Bishop, saying the logical and obvious objection to changing laws away from millennia-old definitions.
Of course as a Protestant, in addition to Natural Law (which is a tad bit undefined for my taste....as are not homosexuals just trying to redefine our understanding of natural law to include their unnatural affections?) I would want to go to the source of Western civilization’s ideas of what is and what is not sexually immoral. That would be found in Leviticus 19, the ancient Hebrew “holiness code.” Besides just the natural revulsion normal people feel towards sexual perversion(s), Leviticus 19 backs up our gut, (and hopefully, like the Bishop, our guts too...) with the very revelation of God.
Ummm, actually, in practice, homosexuality is fairly common among Islamic peoples.
As it was reported a few months ago, Al Queda apparently issued a new set of rules, which included a prohibition for men taking boys into their bedroom...apparently as this had been an issue with them. The background is that the Koran is apparently silent on homosexual pedestry--so legalists that they are, it is widely practiced.
The strict separation of the sexes too, makes homosexual practice that much more easy... Hence despite all the self-righteous rhetoric from the Mullahs, Islam has more than its fair share of sodomites. With the ROP especially, look what they do, not what they say.
The growth of Islam in Australia, Europe, and North America seems to correspond with the general decline of Christianity in those regions.
I think that's about the most perfect answer I've ever heard.
It will come and then even Nambla will have its day.
And how can we then oppose consensual cannibalism so long as it is sexually based?
I think the Archbishop has hit the nail right on the head here. If you dont believe in moral absolutes, then surely anything does go? If its ok for homosexuals to “marry”, then why isnt bestiality ok? Or paedophilia? Or incest? How dare Liberals argue that these things can’t be done because they are illegal? or “wrong”? If they do, are they not applying their own moral absolute? Well, their moral absolute may not be the same as mine.
This is a paradox in liberal, humanist thinking that needs to be exposed again and again and again, and good on the Bish for bringing it up.
Of course, some liberals argue that its wrong because its not consensual. No problems! Incest COULD be consensual. Paedophilia could be. Parents might even approve of it, given inducements. With a legally drawn up contract...no problem.
The answer is simple, Archbishop. Same-sex unions (NOT the same as marriage) don’t hurt anyone.
Well, you know, we have just got to get the social conservative bigots and churchgoing knuckledraggers out of the GOP, don't you know. Just ask any neocon or Yacht Club member.
The guys at The Weekly Standard have been pounding this line for 10 years.
Well, you'll have some of that among folks whose very existence seems to require being offended all the time.
Well, then you pay for it yourself... I don't want the government giving subsidies and tax deductions for perversion...
Was Freudian psychoanalytic theory of sexual stages in psychological development more accurate than accredited?
The Michael Jackson Complex is fixation on mutilation of and deviance with human anatomy in the media. It is a social psychosis catering to the lowest common denominator and generated with Pavlovian behavioral conditioning in popular culture.
Should we really be canonizing special societal privileges in the law based on idolatrous fetishes?
Disability, welfare, Social Security, etc., etc., ad nausea...
The social psychosis generated by behavioral conditioning (Pavlov’s salivating dogs) in the popular culture and the conditioned response to accept the false premises of mental illness or birth defect will be used as a political tool to systematically rob the public purse.
Then, we could have other self-inflicted mental illness and disease (aside from those we already do) subsidized by the government consolidating an ever increasing portion of the economy in the hands of the cultural Marxists.
He left out polygamy...
But then again most men think one is plenty!
It's not the multiple *wives*; it's the multiple mothers in-law!
NO cheers, unfortunately.
... I don’t want the government giving subsidies and tax deductions for perversion...
Actually, I don’t think the government should be giving subsidies and tax deductions for ANY marriage. Get the government - and tax code - out of the marriage business entirely.
[...Archbishop Bagnasco had created a “grave, foolish comparison which offends millions of people”...]
Deviants have been offending me for years.
It’s time they were offended for a change!
“Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are:
immorality,
impurity,
sensuality,
idolatry,
sorcery,
enmities,
strife,
jealousy,
outbursts of anger,
disputes,
dissensions,
factions,
envying,
drunkenness,
carousing,
and things like these, of which I forewarn you,
just as I have forewarned you, that those who
practice such things will not inherit the kingdom
of God. —Galatians 5:19-21—
[...”Only the foundation of complete and irrevocable love between man and woman is capable of forming the basis of a society that becomes the home of all men.”...]
While this is a noble sentiment, without the
authority of God Almighty and His Word, it is
just the blathering of a man (sorry Pope, but
you are only a man).
And call no man your father upon the earth: for
one is your Father, which is in heaven. —Matthew 23:9—
This is why our moral baseline must be The Word
of God as written in The Holy Bible. The
boundaries of Secular Humanism will change with
the wind. God’s Law is the same yesterday, today
and forever. —Hebrews 13:8—
Jesus Christ is risen! Hallelujah!
To Post #37
Don’t worry, our future Islamic masters won’t take kindly to same-sex marriage and similar indulgences!!
I'm guessing the second choice. No attempt to answer, just charges of bigotry, etc.
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