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1 posted on 04/03/2007 8:56:31 PM PDT by freedomdefender
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Rick Santorum got fried for saying the same thing.


2 posted on 04/03/2007 8:58:06 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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And don't forget me and my goat! Ain't she got a purdy mouth?
3 posted on 04/03/2007 8:58:41 PM PDT by MarkeyD (Make your Red State a Fred State!)
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Hey, hey, slow down there, yer holiness! Let’s start with cornholin’ our buddies, then we’ll move on to cornholin’ our brothers! All in due time, speedy!


4 posted on 04/03/2007 9:03:27 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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Has he ever read the Bible?


5 posted on 04/03/2007 9:05:06 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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Did anyone at all try to answer his question?

Or did they all just holler at him for daring to ask it?

Am I missing something?


6 posted on 04/03/2007 9:05:23 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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It’s pathetic that it’s come down to this. We have people actually arguing, “If you do this, why not this bad thing that is seen as worse?”

No mention of the fact that no society on earth has accepted this outside of the last 10 years. No mention of the fact that what is being proposed is completely removing the child-bearing and child-rearing from marriage.

If you think divorse rates and birth rates are low now, wait until little Johnny is raised with, “Well, son, if you choose to marry a girl, you can have kids one day. And if you marry a boy, well, that’s okay, too!” Gone are the days when having children was pretty much a societal expectation. Kids will see marriage as solely something to tickle their fancy and make them feel better. And honestly, after you’ve weakened the backbone of the family, how well do you think the abstract notion of romantic love is going to hold up against the strains that show up in marriages?

Legalizing gay marriage will hurt straight marriages simply be redefining marriage in a careless, destructive manner.

Homosexual “marriage” is wrong from the first mention. You don’t need to mention bestiality or molestation. It’s not natural, it’s not healthful, and it’s ultimately not in the interest of society.


8 posted on 04/03/2007 9:09:17 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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Don’t forget polygamy. At least it has a history of acceptance (Old Testament, Middle East and early Mormons, etc..) unlike homosexual “marriage” and incest.
10 posted on 04/03/2007 9:12:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Iran delenda est)
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Growth of Islam:

North America (1989-1998)....................... 25%

Africa........................................................... 2.15%

Asia.............................................................12.57%

Europe..................................................... 142.35%

Latin America.............................................. 4.73%

Australia.................................................. 257.01%

“Homosexuality is unlawful in Islam. It is neither accepted by the state nor by the Islamic Society. Quran clearly states that it is unjust, un-natural, transgression, ignorant, criminal and corrupt. [...] Muslim Jurists agree that, if proven of guilt, both of them should be killed.”
– Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan.
11 posted on 04/03/2007 9:17:07 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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The article said — ““Why say ‘no’ to the pedophile party in Holland?” Bagnasco stated, referring to the Dutch Brotherly Love, Freedom and Diversity party, which lobbies to reduce the age of consent from 16 to 12 and legalize child pornography.

Supporters of the “DICO” bill, which would grant legal recognition of opposite and same-sex civil unions and benefits, immediately objected that the Archbishop had equated the legislation with pedophilia and incest.”

What the Archbishop says is very true. Yes — *on what basis* do we deny reducing the age consent to 12 and legalize child pornography — if indeed — we do sanction same-sex civil unions and benefits?

Note that the Archbishop is not trying to change the law to be in favor of pedophilia or child pornography. On the contrary...

The article states — “Archbishop Angelo Bagnasco of Genoa, who was appointed last month to lead the Italian Bishops Conference, is spearheading efforts of the Catholic Church in Italy against legislation giving unmarried unions – including same-sex ones – legal status and benefits.”

That’s where he’s coming from. What he’s pointing out is that our *basis* for rejecting these things (including same-sex marriages) all come from the same place, the revealed Word of God. if you “give way” on one of these issues, then you give way on *all of them* — and that will *certainly* happen, if we do.

There is *no other basis* for rejecting same sex marriages, or reducing the age of consent to 12 or child pornography.

It’s good that the argument comes down to recognizing where we’re eventually going with same sex marriages...

I hope everyone recognizes that.

Regards,
Star Traveler


12 posted on 04/03/2007 9:17:49 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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And if marrigae is something different, then why not 2, 3 or 4 wives for a man?

But then again most men think one is plenty!

14 posted on 04/03/2007 9:23:50 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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Same sex ‘marriage’ is a thinly disguised movement that’s sole purpose is to destroy the institution of marriage. I’ve been listening to the liberals rant for decades about how pointless and hypocritical the idea of spiritually sanctioned fidelity is. I heard and believed that they held nothing but contempt for the whole idea. Why now would they suddenly demand the right to become part of it?


15 posted on 04/03/2007 9:23:54 PM PDT by Spok
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Finally, someone on the level of Bishop, saying the logical and obvious objection to changing laws away from millennia-old definitions.

Of course as a Protestant, in addition to Natural Law (which is a tad bit undefined for my taste....as are not homosexuals just trying to redefine our understanding of natural law to include their unnatural affections?) I would want to go to the source of Western civilization’s ideas of what is and what is not sexually immoral. That would be found in Leviticus 19, the ancient Hebrew “holiness code.” Besides just the natural revulsion normal people feel towards sexual perversion(s), Leviticus 19 backs up our gut, (and hopefully, like the Bishop, our guts too...) with the very revelation of God.


22 posted on 04/03/2007 10:31:59 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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It will come and then even Nambla will have its day.


26 posted on 04/04/2007 12:49:12 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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And how can we then oppose consensual cannibalism so long as it is sexually based?


27 posted on 04/04/2007 12:49:50 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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The answer is simple, Archbishop. Same-sex unions (NOT the same as marriage) don’t hurt anyone.


29 posted on 04/04/2007 3:08:04 AM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel ("...Mindless pack of trained Maoist circus seals."-www.iowahwk.typepad.com)
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Environment minister Alfonso Pecoraro Scanio, a vociferous advocate of the homosexual agenda, said Archbishop Bagnasco had created a “grave, foolish comparison which offends millions of people”.

Well, you'll have some of that among folks whose very existence seems to require being offended all the time.

31 posted on 04/04/2007 4:06:35 AM PDT by don-o (Fight, fight. fight to drive the GOP to the right!!!!)
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He left out polygamy...


34 posted on 04/04/2007 6:18:56 AM PDT by MSF BU
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To: freedomdefender; Star Traveler; Eagles6; MarkeyD; randog; doc1019; Sherman Logan; Brad Cloven; ...

[...Archbishop Bagnasco had created a “grave, foolish comparison which offends millions of people”...]

Deviants have been offending me for years.
It’s time they were offended for a change!

“Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are:

immorality,
impurity,
sensuality,
idolatry,
sorcery,
enmities,
strife,
jealousy,
outbursts of anger,
disputes,
dissensions,
factions,
envying,
drunkenness,
carousing,

and things like these, of which I forewarn you,
just as I have forewarned you, that those who
practice such things will not inherit the kingdom
of God. —Galatians 5:19-21—

[...”Only the foundation of complete and irrevocable love between man and woman is capable of forming the basis of a society that becomes the home of all men.”...]

While this is a noble sentiment, without the
authority of God Almighty and His Word, it is
just the blathering of a man (sorry Pope, but
you are only a man).

And call no man your father upon the earth: for
one is your Father, which is in heaven. —Matthew 23:9—

This is why our moral baseline must be The Word
of God as written in The Holy Bible. The
boundaries of Secular Humanism will change with
the wind. God’s Law is the same yesterday, today
and forever. —Hebrews 13:8—

Jesus Christ is risen! Hallelujah!


37 posted on 04/04/2007 9:24:05 AM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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Don’t worry, our future Islamic masters won’t take kindly to same-sex marriage and similar indulgences!!


39 posted on 04/04/2007 9:29:03 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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The new head of the Italian bishops conference has made political waves by asking on what basis may incest and pedophilia be denied if Italy legalizes same-sex unions and other alternatives to the family.

Very good question. And don't forget polygamy and bestiality.

42 posted on 04/04/2007 10:05:36 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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