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Who Got the British Sailors Released?
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Posted on 04/04/2007 1:16:42 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

Who Got the British Sailors Released? By Catherine Mayer/London and Azadeh Moaveni/Tehran

The President of Iran was clearly relishing his role as beneficent liberator of the 15 British Marines and sailors detained by Iran for nearly two weeks. At a press conference today, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called the release a "gift to the British people" on the occasion of Easter as well as a commemoration of the Prophet Muhammad's birthday. The smiling President then met with the British detainees, nodding his head munificently as they lined up to offer thanks for their release. "It is for Islam," he reminded one. He joked to another: "You ended up on a compulsory visit, didn't you?"

As much as today's events appeared to be another episode of the Mahmoud Ahmadinejad show, the Iranian president's actual role in ending the crisis may have been less than meets the eye. The office of the presidency in Iran does not really have a say in matters of foreign policy. Indeed, British analysts were quick to credit another political personage for the resolution of the drama. John Williams, the former Director of News of Britain's Foreign Office, asserts that Dr. Ali Larijani, the secretary general of Iran's Supreme National Security Council, was more important in calling the shots. "It seems that around the weekend, Dr. Larijani decided to settle this and took control," says Williams. "He has proved himself a significant power broker, a man who, if he feels it is in Iran's best interests, will do business with the international community." Other observers warn against giving Larijani too much credit. Supreme Leader Ayatullah Ali Khamenei, they say, may have decided that Iran had squeezed as much advantage out of the situation as possible and simply got Larijani to do the legwork to end the crisis.

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1 posted on 04/04/2007 1:16:46 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

I wonder if news of a 3rd US Carrier Strike Group entering the Gulf had anything to do with it.


2 posted on 04/04/2007 1:18:28 PM PDT by DrGunsforHands
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To: Sub-Driver

“Who Got the British Sailors Released?”

I think it was the commander of the Nimitz Battle Group. Or fear of him anyway.


3 posted on 04/04/2007 1:18:35 PM PDT by FreeInWV
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To: Sub-Driver

That little bit of PR isn’t going to help islam’s cause any. It was they who captured them to begin with. Now they’re the heroes for releasing them?


4 posted on 04/04/2007 1:19:53 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: DrGunsforHands

What General Pelosi didn’t fix it!


5 posted on 04/04/2007 1:21:59 PM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Sub-Driver
How many Iranians captured by the US and UK in Iraq had to be released for the deal?
6 posted on 04/04/2007 1:24:10 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Parker v. DC: the best court decision of the year.)
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To: Sub-Driver
-"The President of Iran was clearly relishing his role as beneficent liberator..."

That tells you all you need to know whether this was a contrived - premeditated - dog and pony hostage-taking show.

7 posted on 04/04/2007 1:24:42 PM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: Sub-Driver
The useful idiots and defeatist in the West fell for Iran trick into believing that there are “moderates” in the terrorist regime in Iran and that Diplomacy works with the Iranian terrorist rulers.

Once the news broke this morning about the release of the 15 British hostages by the terrorist regime in Iran, we can see the “diplomats” rushing to TV screens telling us “see, diplomacy is great, diplomacy works, blah, blah, blah…” That is exactly what AhmadiNajad and Khamenei want the useful idiots in the West to believe, that “Diplomacy works”.

The whole hostage crisis was created by the terrorist rulers in Tehran in order to give the false impression to the surrender monkeys and defeatists in the West that the same way the hostage crisis was resolved through “Diplomacy”, so the Iran nuclear issue can be resolved through “Diplomacy”. If the defeatists in the West get their way and engage us again in endless and fruitless cycles of diplomacy with Iran regarding the nuclear issue, and stop any meaningful economic sanctions or military actions against Iran under the pretext “let diplomacy works”, then the terrorist mullahs will have plenty of time to build their nuclear weapons.

I have great faith that the most important man in the world, President Bush, will not fall for this deception by the Islamic terrorist regime, however and without any doubt the defeatists and traitors among us in the democrat party and their media will mount a huge campaign to surrender to Iran under the pretext of diplomatic talks to resolve the nuclear issue.

Let us support our President and stand with him to stop this terror regime from building any nuclear weapon and prevent a new dark age in the world.

8 posted on 04/04/2007 1:25:08 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Sub-Driver
Those soldiers/sailors should NEVER have been taken in the first place. The “rules of engagement” prohibited the firing on the boats that took those people. And Iran KNEW it.
9 posted on 04/04/2007 1:26:01 PM PDT by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: Sub-Driver

Jesse JackAss?......


10 posted on 04/04/2007 1:26:14 PM PDT by Red Badger (If it's consensus, it's not science. If it's science, there's no need for consensus......)
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To: Red Badger

Didn’t we release the captured Iranian diplomats two days ago?


11 posted on 04/04/2007 1:29:26 PM PDT by Dacula (Keeper of useless knowledge.)
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To: Sub-Driver

The emasculated British government negotiated their release. That’s really all we need to know.


12 posted on 04/04/2007 1:30:17 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: Sub-Driver

no one “got them released.” The regime did as they chose, when they chose.


13 posted on 04/04/2007 1:31:48 PM PDT by nuconvert ([there are bad people in the pistachio business] (...but his head is so tiny...))
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To: Sub-Driver

Nah!

Bella Pelosi shows a little leg in Syria, and they realize that using her is a great way to undermine Bush and Blair, and she’s too f###ing stupid to realize she’s being used, so a few calls to terrorist buddies figure its time to embarass Bush and Blair while the traitor is still on their turf!


14 posted on 04/04/2007 1:32:42 PM PDT by aShepard (Oh little Mohammad, kouchy, kouchy, koo, Your momma is so proud,you'll be the cutest suicide bomber!)
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To: Dacula

Into Iraqi custody?......


15 posted on 04/04/2007 1:35:33 PM PDT by Red Badger (If it's consensus, it's not science. If it's science, there's no need for consensus......)
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To: jveritas
On the mark. It gives them more time to keep those centrifuges spinning out plutonium for the Big Bomb they have to deliver.
16 posted on 04/04/2007 1:52:19 PM PDT by Shady
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To: aShepard

IMHO, this was a setup by President Bush. He got Nasty Pelosi to go along. The end result is a victory for Bush and Blair, their people are going home!


17 posted on 04/04/2007 1:52:31 PM PDT by Blake#1
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

“What General Pelosi didn’t fix it!”

Convenient timeing of her trip, though. I am surprised she has not put headlines in all the papers that she did it.


18 posted on 04/04/2007 1:54:57 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: Sub-Driver

The HOSTAGES are not free yet. But Nan Pelousy will take credit when they are.


19 posted on 04/04/2007 2:00:45 PM PDT by lawdude (2006: The elections we will live to die for!)
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To: Red Badger

this is what I am basing my comments on.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/4683624.html


20 posted on 04/04/2007 2:00:53 PM PDT by Dacula (Keeper of useless knowledge.)
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To: Shady

Exactly.


21 posted on 04/04/2007 2:02:05 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Blake#1

>IMHO, this was a setup by President Bush. He got Nasty Pelosi to go along.<

Oh, come on. You really think W. would choose Nancy over SOS Condi to do this? No matter what one thinks of W., I don’t think he would do something this dishonorable to one of his own. You’ve been reading too much John Grisham.


22 posted on 04/04/2007 2:03:14 PM PDT by Paperdoll
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To: Sub-Driver
>Who Got the British Sailors Released?


23 posted on 04/04/2007 2:03:22 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Sub-Driver

....even MADMEN value their OWN lives...!!!


24 posted on 04/04/2007 2:03:46 PM PDT by JB in Whitefish
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To: DrGunsforHands

Nah, it was Pelosi and her knee pads.


25 posted on 04/04/2007 2:04:52 PM PDT by MissEdie (Liberalscostlives)
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To: jveritas
I thought this was a pretty interesting take on the situation from Rudi Bakkithair(sp?) from the Red Eye show.

http://www.dailygut.com/index.php?i=2480

26 posted on 04/04/2007 2:06:08 PM PDT by ishabibble (ALL AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: theFIRMbss

Jesse Jackson did it. Or was it accomplished by Pelosi visiting with the terrorists? John Kerry on a swift boat?

Perhaps really a swap of Iranians held in Iraq for the British sailors.


27 posted on 04/04/2007 2:06:21 PM PDT by pleikumud
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To: jveritas

Truer words were never spoken...or at least posted...It’s mind-boggling how many will cite this as precedent for future negotiations with Iran.


28 posted on 04/04/2007 2:07:30 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: Sub-Driver

“the Prophet Mouhammed’s birthday...”

Sounds like a good excuse for a bombing run to me!


29 posted on 04/04/2007 2:07:54 PM PDT by G-Bear (Religiously, five times a day, I turn my back on Mecca and fart!)
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To: nuconvert
no one “got them released.” The regime did as they chose, when they chose.

On the whole you are correct. Bottom line is Iran embolden themselves further with this....The U.K. looks weak (there is no denying this reality)....

That they have been released is good news. Lets see what comes from their debriefs over the next week or so....

30 posted on 04/04/2007 2:08:45 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: Joe 6-pack

We have too many useful idiots, defeatists, and traitors in the West who want to appease the terrorists like the mullahs in Iran.


31 posted on 04/04/2007 2:09:37 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Sub-Driver

It was Nancy Pelosi


32 posted on 04/04/2007 2:09:41 PM PDT by fso301
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To: DrGunsforHands
“I wonder if news of a 3rd US Carrier Strike Group entering the Gulf had anything to do with it”



You are right, “Nimitz” was a decision maker!

33 posted on 04/04/2007 2:17:11 PM PDT by SeeSalt
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To: Dacula; Red Badger

Now about Agent Levinson....


34 posted on 04/04/2007 2:17:32 PM PDT by Paperdoll
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To: jveritas
All they are saying is give (ap)pease a chance...

...(again).

35 posted on 04/04/2007 2:18:29 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: Sub-Driver

Well, it certainly wasn’t Tony the Wet Noodle.

Churchill must be turning over in his grave.


36 posted on 04/04/2007 2:19:15 PM PDT by TBP
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To: jveritas

They haven’t been released yet ...


37 posted on 04/04/2007 2:19:51 PM PDT by sono (Al Gore buys carbon offsets with Blood Diamonds)
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To: sono

All I know is....when they are released there should be a complete investigation into their behavior and actions as hostages. They couldn’t stop the Iranians from taking pictures and video of them but I can guarantee that they should in no way have capitulated to their captors. You would’ve had to break my fingers and hands before I would’ve written any letter. They would’ve also had to utterly kill me before I would’ve made any verbal statement. I don’t give a rat’s a$$ why they did those things all I know is if they were true patriots and sailors/soldiers they would be coming home with injuries and even in a body bag. Those Iranian bastards would have to shoot me from the get go because I would be a rabid dog if they captured me. All I remember from the Marines is Name Rank and SS#. You don’t say anything else and you don’t break.


38 posted on 04/04/2007 2:57:35 PM PDT by brent1a
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To: freekitty
I am surprised she has not put headlines in all the papers that she did it.

Just wait. She will be welcomed back as the conquering heroine/negotiator. Will the media note that Israel is calling her a liar? They should have known better than to welcome a serpent into their nest. But that's Olmert for ya.

39 posted on 04/04/2007 3:31:07 PM PDT by daybreakcoming
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To: Sub-Driver

So they *are* released? Rhetorical question.


40 posted on 04/04/2007 3:32:37 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Sub-Driver

The MSM will give the credit to Pelosi.


41 posted on 04/04/2007 3:45:06 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: Sub-Driver
Pelosi told Abbas that if he could get the British released , after the Dems take over the White House on the coming election, she would make it worth his while.
42 posted on 04/04/2007 3:58:09 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: Sub-Driver

Thinking about this hostage release a bit more:

1)Pelosi and crew had to apply for visas (and security), before visit to Mid-east.

2) Thus the enemies knew ahead of time about the trip of an important US (yeech) politician before hand.

3) The question is whether they knew about her trip before - or - after the hostage taking.

4) Was this then just a total set-up if they knew of her trip before hostage taking,

5) Or were they just milking it until she arrived on ground, to fully embarrass Bush and Blair

6) And she’s to F##king stupid to know that she has been used as a duped pawn in this high stakes game!

(Geez! I sure wish that we had Valerie Plame on the ground to provide trip intel. Puke!)


43 posted on 04/04/2007 4:07:01 PM PDT by aShepard (Oh little Mohammad, kouchy, kouchy, koo, Your momma is so proud,you'll be the cutest suicide bomber!)
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To: Sub-Driver
British analysts were quick to credit another political personage for the resolution of the drama. John Williams, the former Director of News of Britain's Foreign Office, asserts that Dr. Ali Larijani, the secretary general of Iran's Supreme National Security Council, was more important in calling the shots. [...] Other observers warn against giving Larijani too much credit. Supreme Leader Ayatullah Ali Khamenei, they say, may have [...]

This is silly.

Treating these captives "munificently" was an obvious PR move - to tweak the nose of Anglo opponents and to demonstrate "moral superiority". One can bet such was the consensus among Iranian leaders. They are not fools.

44 posted on 04/04/2007 4:07:25 PM PDT by A. Pole (Lidia Vidal an undocumented immigrant: "We marched, we voted and nothing, I still don't have papers")
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To: Sub-Driver
One night of love in the Persian Garden for Ahmedinajad with Pelosi?


45 posted on 04/04/2007 4:14:42 PM PDT by Palladin (Jordin will be the AI this year.)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Brittania no longer rules the waves.

Their sailors are wusses, the way they gave in to the Iranians...acting like they were at a frat house party.

Today really made me sick when they shook hands with that murderous little Shite.

Our Navy men would never behave that way.


46 posted on 04/04/2007 4:27:14 PM PDT by Palladin (Jordin will be the AI this year.)
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To: TBP
Well, it certainly wasn't Tony the Wet Noodle.

Could never have voted for him, but I admire his courage, defying his own party and standing alongside President Bush in the War on Terror.

How quickly people forget.

47 posted on 04/04/2007 4:28:57 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Are they actually out of Iran yet?


48 posted on 04/04/2007 4:32:15 PM PDT by Let's Roll ("the left is rearranging the beach to make sure the tsunami comes in as unimpeded as possible." -)
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To: Let's Roll

Not yet. They’re supposed to fly out some time tonight.


49 posted on 04/04/2007 4:34:17 PM PDT by Palladin (Jordin will be the AI this year.)
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To: FreeInWV

“I think it was the commander of the Nimitz Battle Group. Or fear of him anyway.”

I agree that this had alot to do with it. This enemy is really tough on everyone until they get stood down.


50 posted on 04/04/2007 4:57:52 PM PDT by JOE43270 (JV43270 God Bless America and ALL WHO HAVE and WILL DEFEND HER.)
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