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Why this scientist believes in God
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/03/collins.commentary/index.html ^

Posted on 04/04/2007 4:57:43 PM PDT by roostercogburn

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To: Ramius

What? The theory of evolution does not differ the Book of Genesis?


21 posted on 04/04/2007 5:57:39 PM PDT by roostercogburn
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To: Stultis

That would be DOESN’T, you intellectual superpower.


22 posted on 04/04/2007 5:59:29 PM PDT by roostercogburn
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To: roostercogburn
The bottom line is..

Jesus is either whom he says he Was and Still IS...
-OR-
Jesus is NOT whom he says he was and STILL ISN'T..

Rejecting the ONLY PAYMENT for Sin would be a mistake..
If there is even anything like Sin..

23 posted on 04/04/2007 6:06:16 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: the final gentleman

I thought about what I said, before I wrote it. Is there a question, or problem?


24 posted on 04/04/2007 6:11:47 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: roostercogburn
People, plants, everything grows; they evolve from a simple form to a more complex form, from a simple baby to a complex thinking adult, from a seed to a plant - they don't just pop out fully formed.

So what I don't understand, is why is it not possible for a creator to create through evolution? Why can't evolution be a part of creation, the process of creation?

Why must fact and faith be in opposition?

25 posted on 04/04/2007 6:29:00 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (OUR schools are damaging OUR children)
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To: roostercogburn

In Essentials Unity
In non-essentials liberty
In all things Charity St. Augustine


26 posted on 04/04/2007 6:37:22 PM PDT by Geostorm
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To: HiTech RedNeck

No, but wouldn’t it be a sin that he would still need forgiveness for? Can one be a Christian and deny the Scriptures simultaneously?

That’s a sincere question (not being rhetorical).


27 posted on 04/04/2007 6:43:01 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: JCEccles
But don’t you find it odd that God would intelligently design a world in a manner that suggests randomness and chance? How can evolution and creation be compatible?

Wouldn’t a creator know how to get it right the first time and not depend on random mutation? In that scenario, God created nothing more than a random process. That doesn’t make sense.

It makes intrinsic sense to be an evolutionist AND an atheist.

28 posted on 04/04/2007 6:48:13 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: Geostorm

If only we could agree on what are the essentials.


29 posted on 04/04/2007 6:49:14 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: roostercogburn
He is a believer of neither science or God. He is just scared to burn in hell just in case he is wrong.

"Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and ye shall be saved." That's all it takes. In order to be saved, we don't all have to subscribe to one point of view about the formation of the universe, yours or anyone else's. We just have to believe in Jesus. This man does. You may think he isn't good enough to be accepted as a believer because he doesn't believe what you do, but God has explicitly stated that he is accepted and saved. So unless you know better than God about who gets to be saved and who doesn't, perhaps you should retract your remarks about him.

30 posted on 04/04/2007 7:32:17 PM PDT by Fairview ( Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.)
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To: streetpreacher
How can evolution and creation be compatible?

I normally don't step into these Creation vs. Evolution threads, but as a Christian and scientist, I've reconciled my belief in both.

Wouldn’t a creator know how to get it right the first time and not depend on random mutation?

I would suggest that a omniscient, benevolent God created an ordered universe and "allows" a changing process, as he allows us to believe and accept his Word as faith. Or not. Free will.

As a side note, I don't think that most mutations are as "random" as you state. I believe most evolutionists would make that point.

Anyway, that's one man's opinion and I'm outta here.

31 posted on 04/04/2007 7:34:02 PM PDT by HoosierHawk
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To: Fairview

Depends on which “Jesus” you believe in. Obviously, there’s a little more to it than just having “faith” (which is never defined) in a name.


32 posted on 04/04/2007 7:44:51 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: spunkets
"Science, though, has no idea how something came into existence out of nothing."

This is so wrong...found in each of the various Big bang theories: First there was nothing, then it exploded. ; )

33 posted on 04/04/2007 7:50:42 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: streetpreacher

I don’t know how one can study DNA and not believe in God.


34 posted on 04/04/2007 7:51:22 PM PDT by chesty_puller (USMC 70-73 3MAF VN 70-71 US Army 75-79 3d Inf Old Guard)
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To: streetpreacher
Depends on which “Jesus” you believe in.

Which Jesus? Oh, is there more than One? I didn't realize that; I don't recall anything about extra Jesuses in Scripture.

Obviously, there’s a little more to it than just having “faith” (which is never defined) in a name.

To "believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and ye shall be saved" does not suggest believing only in "a name." The statement is that one must believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. We have no right to add our definitions to those given in the Scripture; in fact, among the last words of the Bible say that anyone who adds to that work, God will add unto him plagues. So it would be wise to stop adding qualifications and stipulations and refinements to the conditions under which one can be considered a Christian.

This man believes in Jesus and has stepped out in public to say so. Considering the field he's in, he's taking a step in faith just to make that public statement. It is not your right to question his faith, and it always astonishes me when folks on this site presume to question to spiritual state of others merely because they may not be marching in lockstep with a poster.

35 posted on 04/04/2007 9:09:53 PM PDT by Fairview ( Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.)
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To: Fairview

I don’t have time to answer all of your assertions except to say that you’re barking up the wrong tree. I never questioned the validity of this man’s faith.

As far as the “extra Jesuses” as you called them:

2 Cor 11:4

4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

Matt 7:21-23

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’


36 posted on 04/04/2007 9:22:01 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: streetpreacher

It is very odd that some think they have the right to say who believes correctly or believes enough or believes the right sorts of things. Only God has enough knowledge to do that.


37 posted on 04/04/2007 10:22:55 PM PDT by Fairview ( Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.)
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To: Fairview

I don’t know what you’re arguing about or with whom. Are you objecting to the Scriptures I posted? That was an answer to your assertion about whether or not Scripture teaches false conversions to another “Jesus”.


38 posted on 04/04/2007 10:26:53 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: spunkets
No problem, no question, spunkets; just illogical semantics.
39 posted on 04/05/2007 12:39:38 AM PDT by the final gentleman
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To: HangnJudge
Now hanginJudge, if you “highly recommend” Kant you should extract an idea from his writings that is not obvious to every swinging Dick, Tom, or Harry.

Let sleeping Kants lie, shake your own brain and think.

40 posted on 04/05/2007 12:50:39 AM PDT by the final gentleman
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