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1 posted on 04/04/2007 11:09:05 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

bumping for later...


2 posted on 04/04/2007 11:11:29 PM PDT by redhead (If my iguana is sick, does he have a reptile dysfunction?)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

well, look at the Rats, and if they are not “the great horde of defecatives”, then what is?


3 posted on 04/04/2007 11:30:25 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
There is a definite link between evolutionary theory and eugenics, quite naturally, and especially among those who considered themselves intellectuals. However, I'd argue that selective breeding, and human slavery are the true parents of eugenics.

To further support your point, from wikipedia:

"Breeding of human beings was suggested at least as far back as Plato, but the modern field and term was first formulated by Sir Francis Galton in 1865, drawing on the recent work of his cousin Charles Darwin. From its inception eugenics was supported by prominent thinkers, including Alexander Graham Bell, George Bernard Shaw, and Winston Churchill. Financial support for the advocacy of eugenics came from the Ford Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation, and the Harriman interests. Eugenics was an academic discipline at many colleges and universities. Its scientific reputation started to tumble in the 1930s, a time when Ernst Rüdin began incorporating eugenic rhetoric into the racial policies of Nazi Germany."

Also, there was a definite link between Sanger (planned parenthood) and Eugenics.

4 posted on 04/04/2007 11:30:42 PM PDT by amchugh (large and largely disgruntled)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

There can be a connection.

When scientists study the record of life on the planet, life clearly was here first as very simple lifeforms and developed over a long time to more complex forms - better adapted species survived - individuals who survived and mated had a chance to pass their genes along.

Now its not hard to see how that scientific evidence could be misused. That doesn’t make the science bad - it makes the misuse of the science bad.

Even the Bible can be distorted.

>> The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose. William Shakespeare<<


5 posted on 04/04/2007 11:39:30 PM PDT by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
Willy, my lad, evolution just means change, ice changes into water, eggs change into chickens, monkeys change into man

We can watch ice change into water and eggs become chickens but let the show begin to watch a monkey turn into man.

8 posted on 04/05/2007 12:59:54 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

You may wish to read up on the Social Darwinism movement of the late 1800s as a link between Darwin and popular culture. The eugenics movement was a popular movement that would have gained no traction if there was not a widespread acceptance of the idea that some people are destined for greatness and the rest are just... vermin. Eugenics was widely embraced not because of scientific merit but because it was part of hip and trendy culture - a cause celeb of the ‘socially conscious’ and progressives who outgrew their social darwinist roots.


9 posted on 04/05/2007 3:19:08 AM PDT by Lil'freeper (You do not have the plug-in required to view this tagline.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode; wagglebee; NYer; WKB
The lives of the unborn do not force themselves upon the average man or woman with the same insistency as the lives already begun.

Wrong on two counts.

The lives of the unborn are already begun.

They do have the same *insistency* as those already born. Spoken like a true liberal and one who has (obviously) never been pregnant nor has any clue what the *average* man of woman is all about.

What an arrogant elitist attitude.

10 posted on 04/05/2007 5:21:06 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
So let me get this straight -- you think you can impeach the credibility of modern science by quoting inanity spouted off by the assistant director of the Long Island Marine Biological Institute in 1913?

Is this self-parody?

12 posted on 04/05/2007 7:13:04 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

read later


13 posted on 04/05/2007 7:42:19 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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