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Giuliani Backs Taxpayer Funded Abortion (Says it today!)
CNN ^ | 4 Apr 07

Posted on 04/05/2007 9:14:04 AM PDT by Barney Gumble

TALLAHASSEE, Florida (CNN) -- Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani told CNN Wednesday he supports public funding for some abortions, a position he advocated as mayor and one that will likely put the GOP presidential candidate at odds with social conservatives in his party.

"Ultimately, it's a constitutional right, and therefore if it's a constitutional right, ultimately, even if you do it on a state by state basis, you have to make sure people are protected," Giuliani said in an interview with CNN's Dana Bash in Florida's capital city.

A video clip of the then-mayoral candidate issuing a similar declaration in 1989 in a speech to the "Women's Coalition" appeared recently on the Internet. "There must be public funding for abortions for poor women," Giuliani says in the speech that is posted on the video sharing site YouTube. "We cannot deny any woman the right to make her own decisions about abortion."

When asked directly Wednesday if he still supported the use of public funding for abortions, Giuliani said "Yes." "If it would deprive someone of a constitutional right," he explained....

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KEYWORDS: abortion; gop; guiliani; guliani; rino; rudy; rudy08; rudy2008; rudyguliani; taxes
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Youtube clip from today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZe1j4csMq8

Ok. Taxpayer funded abortions. Does it get any more liberal than that? That is neither fiscially conservative and nor socially conservative. "I want to let someone kill their baby with your money."

Is this enough for the sailors of the S.S. Giuliani to abandon ship? Or are some Freepers so blinded because all they see is an "R" next to Giuliani's name and he has high poll numbers?

After doing research, Duncan Hunter is the man for the job.

1 posted on 04/05/2007 9:14:05 AM PDT by Barney Gumble
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To: Barney Gumble

The RKBA is a constitutional right. Where’s my taxpayer funded FAL???


2 posted on 04/05/2007 9:14:54 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Barney Gumble

This is undoubtedly a problem for Mayor Giuliani. It will certainly give a lot of folks pause — but the war on terror probably still overrides domestic social concerns for the average GOP primary voter.


3 posted on 04/05/2007 9:17:09 AM PDT by PDR
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To: Barney Gumble
a position he advocated as mayor and one that will likely put the GOP presidential candidate at odds with social conservatives in his party.

But, but, but - what he did as mayor is different than what he'll do as POTUS. He's changed! What? He said this recently? Oh. Um... - be afraid of Hillary! No one can beat her but Rudy! Surrender your values to beat Hillary!
4 posted on 04/05/2007 9:17:13 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (RUDY GUILIANI 2008 - STRENGTH (on Abortion and Gun Control) & LEADERSHIP (of gay Pride Parades))
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To: Barney Gumble

Yeah.....Let’s kill those babies. Small price to pay to keep Hillary out of the Whitehouse. Kill the babies and take some of the savings you’ll enjoy and go out and get yourself that big screen LCD TV. It’s your body....don’t let anyone get in the way of your fun!!


5 posted on 04/05/2007 9:22:23 AM PDT by Russ7
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To: Barney Gumble
Ok. Taxpayer funded abortions. Does it get any more liberal than that?

He has staked out a position to the left of Bill Clinton.

6 posted on 04/05/2007 9:23:25 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: PDR
but the war on terror probably still overrides domestic social concerns for the average GOP primary voter And all the other Republican candidates (Ron Paul withstanding) wouldn't be strong on the war on terror? You're thinking like it's August 2008 and we've already had a primary.
7 posted on 04/05/2007 9:24:00 AM PDT by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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To: PDR

Maybe, but I think the average GOP primary voter will support a candidate that is strong in the WOT and domestic social issues.


8 posted on 04/05/2007 9:24:32 AM PDT by Clump (Your family may not be safe, but at least their library records will be.)
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To: Always Right

If I were a Giuliani supporter (and everyone here knows I’m not) I would be extremely upset with my candidate right now!


9 posted on 04/05/2007 9:27:01 AM PDT by TommyDale ("Rudy can win the War on Terror!" Perhaps, but for whose side?)
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To: ConservativeWarrior
But, but, but - what he did as mayor is different than what he'll do as POTUS. He's changed! What? He said this recently? Oh. Um... - be afraid of Hillary! No one can beat her but Rudy! Surrender your values to beat Hillary!

Rudy just did conservatives who oppose him a HUGE favor. As many times as conservatives have put up his past statements to expose his radically liberal views Rudy's supporters counter that those are old statements and that Rudy has magically changed all of his views. Rudy's supporters also, like a bunch of parrots, keep repeating the term "strict constructionists" when the argument turns to Rudy's pro-abortion views. In one interview, Rudy has discredited BOTH defenses as he 1.)says he still holds very radical pro-abortion views and 2.)says that he thinks he's a 'strict constructionist' and that he believes abortion should continue to be protected as a constitutional 'right'.

His statements in this interview were not just a case of someone shooting themselves in the foot. No. Instead he pulled a pin on a hand grenade and blew himself up.

However, as the polls have demonstrated, the majority of Rudy supporters remain unaware of his offensive positions on many issues - especially abortion. Conservatives need to get busy educating fellow Republicans and spreading quotes like this far and wide. Giuliani's past and current liberal views need to be a millstone around his neck to sink any chance he has to be elected to anything within the Republican Party.

10 posted on 04/05/2007 9:27:26 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Barney Gumble

It’s a well-established fact that fiscal liberalism will eventually come from social liberalism... that’s how you fund those liberal programs.


11 posted on 04/05/2007 9:28:46 AM PDT by pgyanke (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO COMPROMISE YOUR PRINCIPLES ANYWAY... WHY WAIT?)
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To: areafiftyone

Alright, Fitty... dissemble this one!


12 posted on 04/05/2007 9:29:25 AM PDT by pgyanke (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO COMPROMISE YOUR PRINCIPLES ANYWAY... WHY WAIT?)
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To: pgyanke

Please do not ping me to flamebait threads posted by flamebait freepers. Thank you.


13 posted on 04/05/2007 9:30:54 AM PDT by areafiftyone (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP)
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To: Barney Gumble

This does it for me. I could never vote for him.


14 posted on 04/05/2007 9:31:05 AM PDT by PatriotGirl827 ("Be not afraid, for I am with you always.")
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To: Barney Gumble
I never liked the guy because after 9/11 he made a mint from his "speeches" about those that died on 9/11. That has always struck me as low class.

At best Giuliani has been a very good janitor. He cleaned up New York, he cleaned up after 9/11 or more accurately he was given credit for the cleanup. But we don't need a guy that wipes up things after they get blown up. We need a guy that stops the bad guys before they kill a bunch of us. By my way of thinking the person that will shut down the borders is the guy to vote for.

One more thing about this guy, his kids were I believe 10 and 14 when Rudy was out stooping women other than his wife. If a guy down the street does that I'm not too keen on that. If the same guy just has to leave his wife for some young gal and walks out on those kids I'm not at all keen on that. But, it's none of my business and if he also thinks so little of kids he thinks they should be killed in the womb that's not my business either, unless he runs for president......

15 posted on 04/05/2007 9:33:04 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Hey mister, can you spare a carbon credit?)
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To: ConservativeWarrior

The Hyde Amendment currently provides for federal funds for some abortions. Dubya hasn’t changed the impact of that by executive order, or pushed for a change in the law. Sounds like Rudy supports the status quo - it’s not clear he wants to expand that federal funding role.

If it;s’good enough under pro life Dubya’s watch, why isn’t it good enough under pro-abortion Rudy’s watch?


16 posted on 04/05/2007 9:34:10 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: Barney Gumble
Abortion is morally reprehensible. Abortion is also the law of the land. Our representatives are sworn to uphold the law of the land (some laws more than others apparently). If you don't like the law, change it. Rudy simply states that all life critical medical procedures should be available to all folks regardless of the ability to pay. If this includes abortion, well it is the law of the land.

And no, I'm not a Gulianni apologist.

17 posted on 04/05/2007 9:34:19 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
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To: Barney Gumble

I’m so glad that this liberal has finally been taken off of his pedestal.


18 posted on 04/05/2007 9:36:12 AM PDT by rob21 (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: PDR

Not with me.


19 posted on 04/05/2007 9:37:00 AM PDT by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: Barney Gumble

Once this gets out Rudy’s done.


20 posted on 04/05/2007 9:37:46 AM PDT by yuta250
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To: Ben Mugged

“Rudy simply states that all life critical medical procedures should be available to all folks regardless of the ability to pay.”

(Article)
“And the Giuliani campaign noted later in the day that the former mayor would not seek to make any changes to current law, which restricts federal funding to cases of rape, incest and the life of the mother.”

Aborting a child from rape or incest is not necessarily “life critical” but you are right, the issue is public funding. (Keeping in mind that women impregnated by incest or rape have not simply been irresponsible.)
The biggest problem many Americans—not just Freepers—have with this issue & this candidate, I think, is that he is welcomed by groups like NARAL that consider abortion a “choice”—as a morbid form of birth control.


21 posted on 04/05/2007 9:47:19 AM PDT by tumblindice (It's a baby, an unborn child.)
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To: flashbunny
“Ultimately, it’s a constitutional right”

How the hell does he square that? If anything the constitution is against it. It speaks volumes about protecting life and no place in it does it say life begins at birth. What kind of pretzel-ed logic did he use to get to this opinion?

22 posted on 04/05/2007 9:47:30 AM PDT by MPJackal ("If you are not with us, you are against us.")
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To: areafiftyone

Got it. You aren’t interested in the truth. I knew that by your tagline and other conversations but I hoped you might possibly bend in the face of overwhelming evidence.

I’m through with you. No more pings. No reason to waste the effort.


23 posted on 04/05/2007 9:47:54 AM PDT by pgyanke (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO COMPROMISE YOUR PRINCIPLES ANYWAY... WHY WAIT?)
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To: Ben Mugged
Rudy simply states that all life critical medical procedures should be available to all folks regardless of the ability to pay.

I'd like to hear him state that Planned Parenthood and their partner abortion clinics should be required by law to inform their victims that abortion is a "life critical medical procedure" in the first place. And I'm not even talking about the baby. Rudy will defend the right of abortion seekers and abortion providers to reach into my wallet and pay for this slaughter, but it's somehow beneath his impeccable moral threshhold to expect the patient to be advised of risk of death or serious injury?

This guy is evil.

24 posted on 04/05/2007 9:49:35 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: areafiftyone

Nothin wrong with a little government funded baby killin, right? Well maybe in NY.


25 posted on 04/05/2007 9:52:44 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Rudy will govern with the mindset of a federal prosecutor, which is what he was before becoming mayor of NY.

The only good thing Rudy did as mayor of NY was appoint Bratton as police chief. Community policing reduced crime dramatically. He made a huge difference. Anyone who lived or worked in the city during the disastrous David Dinkins administration knows this.

My praise for Giuliani ends there. Once crime went down, Rudy’s tyrannical tendencies were on display for all to see. Bratton was popular, and reportedly did some preliminary political work to see if HE should run for mayor. When Rudy found out, Bratton was ousted, pronto.

Replaced by Kerik, despite a shady past (and who Rudy NOW admits he made a mistake in appointing. Yeah, sure, Rudy...).

After violent crime went down, Rudy targeted J-walkers, people who spit gum on the sidewalks, etc. His popularity was low, because of his dictatorial tendencies.

Then, 9/11 happened and these traits became strengths in that context (particularly since George Pataki, the ex-governor, stood mute, consistent with his behaviour during his entire term). 9/11 put Rudy on the map, and his popularity soared proving again, to me at least, that a man’s greatest strengths are also his greatest weaknesses.

Rudy used this new-found political clout to launch a campaign to become US Senator. His oppenent was The Beast (Hillary Rodham). Unfortunately, late into the campaign, and about 2 months before the election, Rudy had a public mid-life meltdown. He had prostate cancer and his second marriage was unraveling. This all played out very publicly, until Rudy decided to drop out of the race, leaving a very unprepared and underfunded candidate (Rick Lazio) to pick up the pieces. Hillary won in a landslide.

Now, if he happens to win the nomination, I will obviously vote for the man. Mostly because I think he’d be stronger on the most overriding issue, the WOT, than any of the Dims. But on every other issue, I think Rudy is nearly indistinguishable from the Dems.

Just my opinion, having lived and worked in NYC for the better part of 40 years.


26 posted on 04/05/2007 10:04:57 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: Rutles4Ever
This guy is evil.

Seems the article is referring to abortion procedures related to incest, rape, and threatening to the life of the mother, not general birth control. The law is evil, not Guiliani. If you don't like Guiliani, don't vote for him. If you don't like the law, change it.

27 posted on 04/05/2007 10:07:17 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
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To: areafiftyone
"...flamebait threads posted by flamebait freepers"

Yes, airing a clip of Giuliani speaking, today, on his views, is "flamebaiting." He's your candidate.

28 posted on 04/05/2007 10:07:51 AM PDT by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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To: Barney Gumble

See, this is why I don’t care about the election yet.

No one has any idea who will even still be in it (Not Giuliani, LOL) three or six months from now. A lot of these guys are retarded and will die of foot-in-mouth disease long before then.

I’ll start to care when we within shouting distance of the primaries.


29 posted on 04/05/2007 10:11:09 AM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: Barney Gumble


When asked directly Wednesday if he still supported the use of public funding for abortions, Giuliani said “Yes.” “If it would deprive someone of a constitutional right,” he explained....”

Horse crap. Just because something is legal doesn’t mean that the government has to pay for it. The right to bear arms is granted in the constitution. Doesn’t mean the government should buy everyone a rifle.


30 posted on 04/05/2007 10:13:26 AM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: areafiftyone
This is truth, right out of rootie's own mouth.

Truth is never 'flamebait'.

31 posted on 04/05/2007 10:13:38 AM PDT by LibKill ("RUDY GIULIANI" is just "HILLARY CLINTON" misspelled and wearing a dress.)
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To: areafiftyone

The liberal truth hurts.


32 posted on 04/05/2007 10:14:13 AM PDT by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: Constantine XIII

But, the primary process is to get the best candidate with the broadest party appeal. The weeding out process is really important, especially in this election, since the Dems will obviously be in control of congress after 2008.

Personally, I would hope that Rudy’s real record (good and bad) will come out during the primary. I think he would make a pretty poor choice. Personally, I will support whatever candidate wins the nomination. I just hope its not Rudy.


33 posted on 04/05/2007 10:14:55 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: Russ7
Abortion (euthanasia) is the opposite of love.
Love says: ‘I sacrifice myself for you’.
Abortion (euthanasia) says: ‘I sacrifice you for myself’

We let killers live, but kill the babies unborn. We spend thousands and thousands of dollars for killers appeal. Now we will spend yet more thousands of dollars for abortion. I cannot comprehend this. Do these people think the 6th commandment (Thou shall not kill) was a suggestion?

34 posted on 04/05/2007 10:15:01 AM PDT by Texagirl4W (Jesus came to forgive sin, not to accept sin.)
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To: Barney Gumble

Come on now...he has an R after his name and that means we have to hold our noses and vote for him! Otherwise, a likeminded person with a D after his/her name might win.


35 posted on 04/05/2007 10:15:27 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: Barney Gumble

Rudy Gulian is Hillary Clinton in drag.


36 posted on 04/05/2007 10:33:22 AM PDT by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: yuta250
Once this gets out Rudy’s done

Scalia has said the same thing, that Roe was a lousy decision but very well could be rationally regarded as precedent if a judge is inclined to do so.

Once this get's out, Scalia's done - IMPEACH!

/sarc/

37 posted on 04/05/2007 10:34:52 AM PDT by muleskinner
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To: areafiftyone

“Strength and Leadership” my fanny. He’s going to strong arm my hard earned money into paying for murder and he said so just now. Give me a break.


38 posted on 04/05/2007 10:36:00 AM PDT by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: Ben Mugged

...how refreshing...a voice of reason without attacks....


39 posted on 04/05/2007 10:40:27 AM PDT by auto power
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To: LibKill

“Truth is never ‘flamebait’.”

It is when it goes against rudy.

The only rudy stories they want are the ones that make rudy look like the 2nd coming of Reagan, savior of the republican party from the evilllllllll hillary.


40 posted on 04/05/2007 10:42:38 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Barney Gumble

Thanks for posting. SHEESH...


41 posted on 04/05/2007 10:45:29 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: PDR
but the war on terror probably still overrides domestic social concerns for the average GOP primary voter.

In other words, those supporting RINO Rudy are single-issue voters given that he is a liberal on virtually every other issue?

A conservative candidate can't fight the war on terror? Primary voters won't prefer a conservative over a liberal that will fight the war on terror?

42 posted on 04/05/2007 11:01:27 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: muleskinner
Republican primary voters aren't going to immerse themselves into all the legalities involved, all they're going to see that Rudy wants to use their taxpayer funds to pay for abortions. As soon as this hits home, it's all over for liberal Rudy.
43 posted on 04/05/2007 11:05:38 AM PDT by yuta250
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To: Barney Gumble
"Ultimately, it's a constitutional right, ...

Speaks volumes. I won't vote for a gun banner either.

44 posted on 04/05/2007 11:06:11 AM PDT by TigersEye (For Democrats; victory in Iraq is not an option!)
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To: muleskinner
Scalia is a strict Constitutionists that has voted to overturn Roe. Opposition to Roe is a measuring stick of strict Constitutionalist.

The only thing RINO Rudy had to offer social conservatives was the promise of a strict Constitutionalists. So, implying that he would nomination judges that would uphold Roe takes away any reason pro-lifers and social conservatives have to vote for him and that will cost him millions of votes and assure the GOP is a minority party for a decade if he somehow runs or reaches office.

45 posted on 04/05/2007 11:06:49 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Barney Gumble

Where in his statement today does he say he backs taxpayer funding?


46 posted on 04/05/2007 11:07:36 AM PDT by ShandaLear (When something is true, one need not lie to prove it.)
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To: muleskinner

I wouldn’t vote for Scalia if he was running for president, but then he isn’t is he. I get the choice with rudee.


47 posted on 04/05/2007 11:10:48 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: SmoothTalker
Horse crap. Just because something is legal doesn’t mean that the government has to pay for it. The right to bear arms is granted in the constitution. Doesn’t mean the government should buy everyone a rifle.

Not so fast. I can be bought. Gimme a Ma Deuce and 10,000 rounds of .50 BMG and I'll vote for anyone. /s

48 posted on 04/05/2007 11:11:29 AM PDT by TigersEye (For Democrats; victory in Iraq is not an option!)
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To: Barney Gumble

“”Ultimately, it’s a constitutional right, and therefore if it’s a constitutional right, ultimately, even if you do it on a state by state basis, you have to make sure people are protected,””

This idiotic quote just KILLS me!

How nice he wants to make sure “people” are protected.

sheeesh!!


49 posted on 04/05/2007 11:12:17 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: HitmanLV; wagglebee; cgk; narses
If you'll recall, Rudy opposed the Hyde Amendment and its restrictions on financing for abortion.
50 posted on 04/05/2007 11:13:03 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008. Audio, Video, and Quotes in my profile.)
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