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Romney, self-described lifelong hunter, has hunted on two occasions
Associated Press ^ | 4/04/2007 | Glen Johnson

Posted on 04/05/2007 12:47:51 PM PDT by mrhansen

BOSTON - To hear Mitt Romney talk on the campaign trail, you might think the Republican presidential candidate had a gun rack in the back of his pickup truck.

"I purchased a gun when I was a young man. I've been a hunter pretty much all my life," he said this week in Keene, N.H., to a man sporting a National Rifle Association cap.

Yet the former Massachusetts governor's hunting experience is limited to two trips at the bookends of his 60 years: as a 15-year-old, when he hunted rabbits with his cousins on a ranch in Idaho, and last year, when he shot quail on a fenced game preserve in Georgia.

Last year's trip was an outing with major donors to the Republican Governors Association, which Romney headed at the time.

An aide said Wednesday that Romney was not trying to mislead anyone, although he confirmed Romney had been hunting only on those occasions in his life.

"Governor Romney's support for the Second Amendment doesn't come from the fact he knows how to handle a firearm; it comes from his appreciation of the Constitution and the rights enshrined in it, including the right to keep and bear arms," said campaign spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom.

He went on to cite the pro-gun measures Romney signed into law while serving as governor from 2003 to this past January.

Romney himself made several of the same points to the Keene audience, while also trying to offer some perspective on his hunting experience.

"I support the Second Amendment," he told the man who had asked about his views on the constitutional right to bear arms. "I purchased a gun when I was a young man. I've been a hunter pretty much all my life. I've never really shot anything terribly big. I used to hunt rabbits."

Romney added: "Shooting a rabbit with a single-shot .22 is pretty hard, and after watching me try for a couple of weeks, (my cousins) said, 'We'll slip you the semiautomatic. You'll do better with that.' And I sure did."

On the Georgia excursion, he said, "I knocked quite a few birds and enjoyed myself a great deal."

Expressing familiarity with and support for gun rights is key among Republican presidential contenders, who count gun owners, members of the military and the NRA itself among their potential supporters.

It helps explain why Romney joined the NRA last August, signing up not just as a supporter but a designated "Lifetime" member, and why he has softened his gun control positions.

Romney told a Derry, N.H., audience, "I'm after the NRA's endorsement. I'm not sure they'll give it to me. I hope they will. I also joined because if I'm going to ask for their endorsement, they're going to ask for mine."

During a 1994 U.S. Senate campaign, Romney positioned himself as a moderate outsider, warning special interest groups to stay out of the race and saying he supported the Brady gun control law and a ban on assault rifles.

"That's not going to make me the hero of the NRA," he told the Boston Herald at the time. "I don't line up with a lot of special interest groups."

It's a theme he carried into his 2002 gubernatorial campaign. At the time, Romney pledged to do nothing to change the state's firearms statutes.

"We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts. I support them. I won't chip away at them. I believe they protect us and provide for our safety," he said.

True to his word, Romney went on to sign one of the toughest assault weapons laws in the country.

Romney, though, also took steps to protect the rights of gun owners as governor.

The assault weapons ban won the backing of Massachusetts gun owners in part because it included provisions extending the term of a firearms identification card and a license to carry weapons from four to six years. It also created a Firearm License Review Board to provide an appeals process for people whose license applications had been denied.

In 2006, Romney also signed NRA-backed legislation creating exemptions for the makers of customized target pistols who had found it too expensive to sell their guns in Massachusetts because of a state regulation requiring them to test at least five examples of new products "until destruction."

In February, Romney was touting such measures as he and his wife, Ann, toured the Shooting, Hunting and Outdoor Trade Show in Orlando, Fla., with Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's executive vice president.

"I'm proud to be among the many decent, law-abiding men and women who safely use firearms," Romney said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antigun; banglist; firearms; guns; hillarywithgoodteeth; hitpiece; hunting; outdoors; romney; third; willnotvotefor; wolfinsheepsclothing; youfellforit
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1 posted on 04/05/2007 12:47:56 PM PDT by mrhansen
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To: mrhansen

Empty suit...


2 posted on 04/05/2007 12:49:25 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: mrhansen

Yeah, he supports the Second Amendment, but only enough to get him elected...

My support of the Brady Bill and the assault weapons ban are not going to make me the hero of the NRA....I don’t line up with the NRA.”
— Mitt Romney, 1994

“I have a gun of my own. I go hunting myself. I’m a member of the NRA and believe firmly in the right to bear arms.”
— Mitt Romney, 2007


3 posted on 04/05/2007 12:49:29 PM PDT by mrhansen
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To: mrhansen

I’m guessing that’s one more time hunting than John Kerry—
and Kerry’s was that GOTV-in-Ohio trip (can I get me a huntin’ license here?)


4 posted on 04/05/2007 12:50:12 PM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: mrhansen
The Second Amendment ain't about duck hunting.
5 posted on 04/05/2007 12:51:07 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: mrhansen

This NRA Benefactor member says “NO to fakes!”


6 posted on 04/05/2007 12:52:10 PM PDT by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 11/5/1979.)
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To: mrhansen

This is troubling. Also his long time friendship with the socialist mayor of Salt Lake City is more than troubling.


7 posted on 04/05/2007 12:52:17 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: mrhansen
Get ready for the Romneybots to attack; I posted this yesterday and was called a hypocrite.
8 posted on 04/05/2007 12:52:32 PM PDT by JRochelle (RudymccaINrOmney)
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To: mrhansen

He’s a fake; probably worse that Rudy on self-defense.

Fred Thompson for President!


9 posted on 04/05/2007 12:52:34 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: mrhansen
Maybe Romney hunted prairie dogs



10 posted on 04/05/2007 12:52:43 PM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: mrhansen

I really don’t dislike Romney.

However I once shot a bird with a BB gun (felt terrible). I also sat against a tree waiting to shoot a squirrel or rabbit with a .22 long rifle only to find all creatures had moved out of the woods that day.

Neither event makes me a hunter.


11 posted on 04/05/2007 12:53:07 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: mrhansen
Some points:

1 I keep seeing this story they are just trying to ruin Romney.

2 The difference between a guy who has gone on two hunting outings and supports gun and hunting rights, versus a gun grabbing liberal, is as wide as Hilary's thighs.

The guy has hunted and strongly supports the Second Amendment. Hunted as a boy, hunted as a man. Which part of this should offend hunters? In what way is he not a hunter?

Not everyone is a Jeremiah Johnson hunting and skinning griz every day.

12 posted on 04/05/2007 12:53:40 PM PDT by Williams
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To: mrhansen

My husband is an NRA member, a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment, owns and uses guns and has never hunted in his life. Big deal. We’re electing a president not a big game hunter.


13 posted on 04/05/2007 12:53:57 PM PDT by redgirlinabluestate
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To: mrhansen

I’ve pretty much written off Giuliani after his recent, really stupid abortion comment. Sure CNN fished for it, and the media has run with it, but Rudy said it.

Still, I think Mitt Romney is hopeless. He’s a shifty liar, frankly. He twists and turns with the political winds. This isn’t the first time.

You don’t have to be a hunter to support the Second Amendment. This kind of tall story, gratuitously told, is really pretty disgusting. He simply cannot be trusted to tell the truth or keep a promise.


14 posted on 04/05/2007 12:55:38 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: mrhansen
Given that we have not seen a similar story about John Edwards, John Kerry (who served in Vietnam), or Hillary, why is this so important that it should come out? I would hazard a guess that it was not meant to make the candidate look good to his base, or to those who were considering supporting him. No, quite the opposite. We expect candidates from the left to shade the truth. How well they can do so is a resume enhancement, at least the MSM liked how well Bill Clinton did it. But they expect that conservatives are put off by the slightest imperfections, so why not dig. If you haven’t found any imperfections, you haven’t been on the job for very long.

While I am not a Romney supporter, shall we compare this, shall I say, discrepancy, with Hillary’s faux cluelessness about the billing records of the Rose Law firm?

I am sure that Freepers have quite a list of Hillaryisms to post.

15 posted on 04/05/2007 12:55:56 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: mrhansen
An aide said Wednesday that Romney was not trying to mislead anyone...

... he was merely hoping they'd assume he hunted often and not look into it.

16 posted on 04/05/2007 12:56:03 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: mrhansen

I’m afraid two hunting experiences separated by decades does not qualify one as a “lifelong hunter.” In my opinion, that’s more than a “stretch,” it’s basically a lie. Not good for Romney.


17 posted on 04/05/2007 12:56:40 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: redgirlinabluestate

Uh...it’s not just about hunting.

Did you not see his response to the Assault Weapons Ban back in 1994?

Yeah, ok...vote for a Republican from Massachusetts...see what you get.


18 posted on 04/05/2007 12:56:44 PM PDT by mrhansen
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To: redgirlinabluestate

And I’m guessing your husband doesn’t go around pretending to be a hunter.


19 posted on 04/05/2007 12:57:27 PM PDT by JRochelle (RudymccaINrOmney)
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To: mrhansen

Why lie? What does this accomplish? I’ve never hunted in my life, but I support gun rights. Why didn’t he just tell the truth and say he supports gun rights. Now he looks like a fool.


20 posted on 04/05/2007 12:57:38 PM PDT by keepitreal
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To: JRochelle

If he hunted when he was a boy and then again when he was an adult. He would have hunted all his life.


21 posted on 04/05/2007 12:59:21 PM PDT by redgirlinabluestate
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To: redgirlinabluestate

I agree with you in the sense that I don’t care if he has ever hunted a day in his life. Again I do NOT dislike Romney.

But if he claims he was a “lifelong hunter” and has only hunted twice you have to wonder what other parts of his resume he is “embellishing”.


22 posted on 04/05/2007 12:59:33 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: redgirlinabluestate

I think the point is that Romney lied.


23 posted on 04/05/2007 12:59:58 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: theBuckwheat
As I wrote of Rudy, if Romney wants to make a crystal clear statement about his position on the Second Amendment, let him enroll in a CCW class, get some range time (preferably w/pix of him properly shooting a firearm like Schumer famously tried to do), and get a CCW permit. Then say that everyone who qualifies, should go through the process.

Opps, Romney is from The People’s gun-unfriendly Republic of Mass. Is this even possible for him?

Well, he could get a Florida permit which is good for 5 years in most of the states that honor out of state permits.

24 posted on 04/05/2007 1:00:46 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: keepitreal

I’ve said it before. He is a businessman trying to make a deal. And that theory just doesn’t work when trying to win voters.
Unfortunatly for him we aren’t going to want some guy whose very core is squishy.


25 posted on 04/05/2007 1:01:11 PM PDT by JRochelle (RudymccaINrOmney)
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To: mrhansen
“Romney added: “Shooting a rabbit with a single-shot .22 is pretty hard, and after watching me try for a couple of weeks, (my cousins) said, ‘We’ll slip you the semiautomatic. You’ll do better with that.’ And I sure did.”

Yeah, Mitt, because semi-autos are much more deadly than single-shots, eh? He sure knows a lot about guns and hunting!

Mitt supports banning “assault weapons” at the Federal level, and actually banned “assault weapons” while governor, claiming that civilians have no use for the deadly guns whose only purpose is hunting down and shooting people.

He supported Brady, and claims now that that support is somehow moot because we have the Instant Background Check system.

Go RKBA Mitt! He owned a gun before he didn't own one, and is now claiming he bought one.

He supports the Second Amendment as long as it does not cover “assault weapons”, whatever he thinks they are.

26 posted on 04/05/2007 1:01:34 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: mrhansen
Romney told a Derry, N.H., audience, "I'm after the NRA's endorsement. I'm not sure they'll give it to me. I hope they will. I also joined because if I'm going to ask for their endorsement, they're going to ask for mine."

Great line! Too bad he voted for the assault weapons ban. Such an action cannot be undone. EVER!

27 posted on 04/05/2007 1:01:40 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: redgirlinabluestate; Williams
The guy has hunted and strongly supports the Second Amendment.

He's a gun-grabber.

Supported the federal Assault Weapons Ban in 1994 and 2002, supported and signed into law a state AWB in Massachusetts.

Said he wasn't with groups like the NRA before joining the NRA as a life member right before running for president.

28 posted on 04/05/2007 1:01:54 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: mrhansen

“I’ve been a hunter pretty much all my life,”

Sounds like an Al Gore type fib. A shame that we haven’t been able to come up with better frontrunners than the three empty suits we have.


29 posted on 04/05/2007 1:01:58 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: trumandogz

There is a reason why Romney telling a lie is more important than, say, Hillary being unable to tell the truth. The story is not so much about Romney as it is about the MSM agenda.


30 posted on 04/05/2007 1:02:06 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: redgirlinabluestate

I caught a baseball with a glove.

Does that make me a baseball player?


31 posted on 04/05/2007 1:02:14 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: Williams

“In what way is he not a hunter?”

He does not hunt and has banned guns. Actually signed a bill that banned vaguely definded classes of guns, some of which are actually used by hunters.


32 posted on 04/05/2007 1:03:37 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: mrhansen

“Can I git me one of them thar’ huntin’ licenses here?”


33 posted on 04/05/2007 1:04:04 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: redgirlinabluestate

LOL.

You are joking. Right?


34 posted on 04/05/2007 1:04:25 PM PDT by JRochelle (RudymccaINrOmney)
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To: theBuckwheat

“why is this so important that it should come out?”

Because, if you think about it, if he’s not a hunter and does not own guns, but says that he is and that he does, that makes him less than honest.

That’s an important trait.


35 posted on 04/05/2007 1:05:45 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: redgirlinabluestate
If he hunted when he was a boy and then again when he was an adult. He would have hunted all his life.

Wearing diapers as a baby and again when you're 90 and things stop working right doesn't mean you've worn diapers all your life.

Although if Mitt thought that would appeal to the Diaper Demographic....

36 posted on 04/05/2007 1:06:18 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: JRochelle

I’ve said it before. He is a businessman trying to make a deal. And that theory just doesn’t work when trying to win voters.
Unfortunatly for him we aren’t going to want some guy whose very core is squishy.


But the best businessmen deal from a position of honesty.


37 posted on 04/05/2007 1:06:40 PM PDT by keepitreal
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To: mrhansen

Did you do this in the Keyword?

wolfinsheepsclothing;

I wish we could click on the KW and see who did it?


38 posted on 04/05/2007 1:08:19 PM PDT by restornu (Accept Nothing Until It Is Verified)
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To: P-40

Doesn’t make much difference to me - he isn’t going to make it very far in the primaries (along with a few others).

Also not a shock that professional politicians lie.


39 posted on 04/05/2007 1:08:40 PM PDT by mgstarr (KZ-6090 Smith W.)
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To: theBuckwheat

Anyone who wants to be our president and in the process tells a lie should be called out.


40 posted on 04/05/2007 1:08:56 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: redgirlinabluestate
On a lighthearted note, radio host Fred Grandy quipped that maybe Mitt ought to go hunting with Cheney... :0)

(I should note that Fred's a Republican and a staunch defender of the Bush Administration, so this was not meant in a mocking way).

41 posted on 04/05/2007 1:10:04 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (The most dangerous place in the world is between Hillary and the Oval Office)
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To: mrhansen
I support the 2nd Amendment. I have never gone hunting and don’t plan to. The trivial points some of the poster here whine about!
42 posted on 04/05/2007 1:10:17 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: mrhansen

Kinda like John Kerry explaining how he hunted deer, crawling through the woods etc.
I think Kerry was having a Viet Nam flashback.

Just because he joined the NRA has nothing to do with support of the 2nd Amendment. Beware Beware.


43 posted on 04/05/2007 1:11:00 PM PDT by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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To: mrhansen

If hunting stories qualify a presidential candidate as pro-gun then I’d like to hear about his experiences that qualify him as pro-heterosexual—how many times, where, with whom, details....


44 posted on 04/05/2007 1:11:40 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: dc-zoo
You dc-zoo Have a small IQ's there nothing wrong with having friends that disagree with you

Some of my good friends are Calvinist!

45 posted on 04/05/2007 1:12:14 PM PDT by restornu (Accept Nothing Until It Is Verified)
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To: apocalypto

He supported the Assault Weapons Ban back in 94, but now he is claiming to be a pro-gun, all-American hunter type?

Yeah, ok...it’s only about hunting. /s

Maybe one of his wives does his own custom reloads while he is out on the campaign trail.


46 posted on 04/05/2007 1:13:34 PM PDT by mrhansen
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To: Artemis Webb
I caught a baseball with a glove. Does that make me a baseball player?

I guess I'd have to see you catch. LOL.

I am a lifelong dancer too. But never got paid for it. I danced when I was young and have taken it up again recently. I consider myself a lifelong dancer even though I didn't dance continuously. It's like riding a bike, catching a ball, shooting a gun, you never forget.

47 posted on 04/05/2007 1:14:02 PM PDT by redgirlinabluestate
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To: All

Feb 18 transcript in which Romney supports banning certain classes of firearms:

Stephanopoulos: Let’s talk about guns. You were supportive of the Brady bill, the handgun waiting period, in the past. You signed an assault weapon ban into law and you said, in the past, “I don’t line up with the NRA.”

Now, you…

Mitt Romney: Well, on that issue.

Stephanopoulos: Now you’re a member of the NRA.

Mitt Romney: Yes, and I know the NRA does not support an assault weapon ban. So I don’t line up on that particular issue with the NRA, either does President Bush. He likewise says he supported an assault weapon ban.

Today we don’t have the Brady bill because we have instantaneous background checks. That’s no longer a operative or needed measure. [so please don’t diss me for supporting it...]

But I’m a strong proponent of Second Amendment rights. I believe people, under our Constitution, have the right to bear arms. [Just not “assault weapons” whatever they are]

We have a gun in one of our homes. It’s not owned by me, it’s owned by my son, but I’ve always considered it sort of mine. [which is why I said I was a gun owner a month or so ago, but I’m really not]

Stephanopoulos: When did you join the NRA?

Mitt Romney: Within the last year and I signed up for a lifelong membership. I think they’re doing good things and I believe in supporting the right to bear arms. [exept “assault weapons” whatever they are]

I’ve been a hunter all my life, not frequently, but as a boy, when I worked on a ranch in Idaho, we used to go out shooting rabbits, because they were eating all the barley, and I got pretty good with a single shot .22 rifle, and been quail hunting more recently*. [But now I claim not to be good with a single-shot. It took the power and deadliness of a semi-auto to get those rabbits!]

So I’m a hunter and believe in Second Amendment rights, but I also believe that assault weapons are not needed in the public population.

[end transcript]

Romney supports a Federal ban on Assault Weapons, but I doubt he knows what they are.

*Yet when the hunters who were at the Governor’s Association posed with their guns and birds, Romney was not in the picture for some reason).


48 posted on 04/05/2007 1:14:16 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: mrhansen
Romney purchased a lifetime membership in the NRA...seven months ago.

There are phonies, and there are Massachusetts phonies, and then there are Romneys. This guy is in a league of his own.

49 posted on 04/05/2007 1:15:24 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: DBrow

Yeah, Mitt, because semi-autos are much more deadly than single-shots, eh? He sure knows a lot about guns and hunting!


No, but they’re easier to aim! (Just ask the squirrel I shot off the bird feeder with my 10-22 a few days ago!)


50 posted on 04/05/2007 1:16:37 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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