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The Mormon Advantage
Townhall.com ^ | 4/5/2007 | Maggie Gallagher

Posted on 04/05/2007 5:42:47 PM PDT by Utah Girl

Mitt Romney is riding high this week after his victory in "the first primary," which consists of raising cold, hard cash to compete: more than $20 million in the first quarter, $5 million more than his closest contender, Rudy "Lay off my wife!" Giuliani. John McCain came in a lackluster third with $12.5 million.

Romney's campaign benefited from two distinct donor networks, according to media accounts: Wall Street and Mormons. GOP front-runner Rudy, struggling with one of those weird media freak shows erupting around his wife, Judith (her alleged participation in future Cabinet meetings and former puppy killings), must be a little envious on both counts.

Why is it that all the Dem candidates are still married to their first spouse, while among the current crop of leading GOP contenders, the only guy with just one wife is the Mormon?

Truth is, I don't think this is just an accident. There's something about Mormons the rest of us ought to pay attention to: Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints do much better than almost any other faith group at sustaining a marriage culture -- and they do this while participating fully and successfully in modern life. Utah is above the national average in both household income and the proportion of adults who are college graduates.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: giuliani; judith; mccain; romney
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1 posted on 04/05/2007 5:42:47 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
Evangelicals might not cotton to Mormon theology but they find plenty to admire about Mormons' commitment to traditional values and family.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 04/05/2007 5:46:44 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

It comes down to whether one believes that Mormon theology will be running the nation if Mitt is elected. You can bet the Rodham-rodent goon squad will smear the Mormon beliefs to keep Mitt from winning. Will we conservatives allow that to happen?


3 posted on 04/05/2007 5:55:33 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN

We have to keep in mind: Cash is almost as good as real money! Yogi Berra


5 posted on 04/05/2007 5:58:56 PM PDT by donmeaker (The speed of light is 186,234 miles per second. Not just a good idea, its the LAW!)
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To: Utah Girl

could a big factor be that mormons stay married because half of every mormon marriage - the woman - is depending on her husband to choose to call her name so that she will be resurrected someday? That would tend to keep you from making him mad. Add community pressure, which is great.

LDS Apostle Erastus Snow preached the following on Sunday, Oct. 4, 1857:

Do the women, when they pray, remember their husbands?... Do you uphold your husband before God as your lord? “What!—my husband to be my lord?” I ask, Can you get into the celestial kingdom without him? Have any of you been there? You will remember that you never got into the celestial kingdom [during the temple ceremony] without the aid of your husband. If you did, it was because your husband was away, and some one had to act proxy for him. No woman will get into the celestial kingdom, except her husband receives her, if she is worthy to have a husband; and if not, somebody will receive her as a servant. (Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 291)

never-the-less, staying married is a very good thing and mitt and his wife have done well in this.


6 posted on 04/05/2007 5:59:45 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Atheists have a National Holiday - April 1st - "The fool has said in his heart, There is no God.")
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To: goldstategop

Can’t disagree with your post!


7 posted on 04/05/2007 6:00:22 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: goldstategop

Aside from the few screwballs that continue plural marriage, Mormon theology is unexceptional, based on no less an authority than Mark Twain (Roughing it).

Really there is not much different between scriptures written by Joseph Smith Jr to mislead Americans and scriptures written by the Assyrians to mislead Jews, scriptures written by drug addled Jews to mislead the Romans, and scriptures written by Arabs to mislead Turks.

So, did I leave anyone out?


9 posted on 04/05/2007 6:04:41 PM PDT by donmeaker (The speed of light is 186,234 miles per second. Not just a good idea, its the LAW!)
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To: MHGinTN
"Will we conservatives allow that to happen?"

I would hope, not if we can help it!

10 posted on 04/05/2007 6:07:09 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Giuliani is a democrat in Republican drag!)
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To: Angry Write Mail

Good catch!

Thanks!


12 posted on 04/05/2007 6:08:45 PM PDT by donmeaker (The speed of light is 186,234 miles per second. Not just a good idea, its the LAW!)
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To: Angry Write Mail

What I would dread would be how DC would become packed with Mormon appointees and staff, and the LDS church, with its very business-like approach, would definitely take this opportunity to propogate the biggest PR campaign in the history of religion in the USA. It would alter the Republican party for a very long time.

Mormonism like any other non-Christian religion is all about working your way up—an attempt properly labeled “legalism.” Legalist religionists were the worst enemies Jesus Christ had, and the ones that yelled the loudest, “Crucify Him!” according to the gospels. Romney may be a great guy, and a great example of a family man—however he should never be president.


13 posted on 04/05/2007 6:10:02 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: goldstategop
Evangelicals might not cotton to Mormon theology but they find plenty to admire about Mormons' commitment to traditional values and family.

What this particular evangelical doesn't cotton to is the fact that Mr. Romney just finished a term as one of the most liberal governors America has ever seen. On his watch gay marriage, an assault weapons ban, and socialized medicine (which includes taxpayer-funded abortions) were all implemented.

Romney appointed more Dems and independents to the bench than Republicans, including radical gay activists.

The Romney administration also pushed gay propaganda in the public schools.

Doesn't sound too "family-friendly" to me.

14 posted on 04/05/2007 6:12:49 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: donmeaker

I think Mark Twain was talking about Mormon morality (at a time when mainstream American Protestants tended to be pretty hostile)...he said their morality was “smouched” from the New Testament.


15 posted on 04/05/2007 6:15:15 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: TAdams8591

We read the Rudy supporters constantly telling us that we should vote for Rudy to stop the Rodham-rodent, and this during the primaries!


17 posted on 04/05/2007 6:16:36 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: goldstategop

“Evangelicals might not cotton to Mormon theology but they find plenty to admire about Mormons’ commitment to traditional values and family.”

Agree for sure. I especially have always admired their program of sending their youngsters on a one year Mission of service upon graduating from high school. It’s a great way for their kids to mature some before entering college. I think that the rest of us should pick up on this idea. Of course, back in my youth, we had a Federal Misson program known as the Draft, heh, heh....


18 posted on 04/05/2007 6:16:45 PM PDT by snoringbear (')
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To: Angry Write Mail
Wow! Those are some amazing charges. I’m really impressed by your research and knowledge too! You remind me of people who have studied little green men and bigfoot and know so very much about them from personal encounters.

Yup...I’m always impressed by people like you.

19 posted on 04/05/2007 6:18:05 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: Angry Write Mail; All

One more thing: Did you know the founding of the Republican Party in the 1850s was based on 2 moral issues?

1) The abolition of slavery.
2) The abolition of Mormon polygamy.

Not until the 1890 did the mainline LDS ban polygamy, and this only because Utah was not allowed to become a state unless they did. 1890 is NOT very long ago in history folks.

We won’t discuss how it was not until the mid 1970s that African-Americans were allowed to be LDS elders either.

For the GOP to nominate an LDS candidate would be to turn its back on its roots.


20 posted on 04/05/2007 6:23:10 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns

I don’t think he is a great man or a great family guy.

What has he done that is great? His family and church ties have gotten him his money and influence, and as for a “great” family man, we just don’t have enough information to know that.

I know you were just suggesting that he might be those things, but we really don’t know.

What do we know now, though? He has fully funded Planned Parenthood, gay-agenda groups, and he is pro-embryonic stem cell abortion, etc.


22 posted on 04/05/2007 6:28:07 PM PDT by jatopilot99 (Mitt Romney is pro-abortion, pro-gay, and pro-euthanasia!)
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To: AmericanMade1776; bcbuster; Bluestateredman; cardinal4; carton253; cgk; Choose Ye This Day; ...

Ping! Something to remember when we are arguing for Mitt and conservative values.


23 posted on 04/05/2007 6:28:47 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Giuliani is a democrat in Republican drag!)
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To: Angry Write Mail

I’m curious, what in peoples minds makes Mormonism more of a cult that any other variety of Christianity?


24 posted on 04/05/2007 6:30:23 PM PDT by Liberty Rattler (Don't tread on me!)
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To: Verginius Rufus

There were two strong forces of that moment in America: Spiritualism and Free Masonry. Smith Jr stole them both and mixed them.

After the death of Smith and “Brigand” Young (see Mountain Meadows Massacre and Fancher Party) I have little to complain about Mormons.

Is their religion crap? yes. Is it different from other religions? Nope.


25 posted on 04/05/2007 6:32:27 PM PDT by donmeaker (The speed of light is 186,234 miles per second. Not just a good idea, its the LAW!)
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To: Utah Girl

It would seem that the moral descendants of those who burned down Mormon towns and cities, tarred and feathered their men, forced Mormons from their lands and homes at gunpoint, murdered many men, women and children and ultimately issued an extermination order in Missouri to prevent Mormons from ever living there again are longing for the good old days.


26 posted on 04/05/2007 6:36:14 PM PDT by Reaganesque
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To: Liberty Rattler
I’m curious, what in peoples minds makes Mormonism more of a cult that any other variety of Christianity?

...or any other religion for that matter.

My god is a shoehorn - prove me wrong.

Faith is faith.

27 posted on 04/05/2007 6:36:47 PM PDT by zarf (Her hair was of a dank yellow, and fell over her temples like sauerkraut......)
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To: MHGinTN
"We read the Rudy supporters constantly telling us that we should vote for Rudy to stop the Rodham-rodent, and this during the primaries!"

Disgraceful. Which causes me to suggest people vote for Mitt to stop them BOTH! : )

28 posted on 04/05/2007 6:37:22 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Giuliani is a democrat in Republican drag!)
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To: restornu

Another fun thread for you.


29 posted on 04/05/2007 6:37:27 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: Angry Write Mail

I shall take your statement as exactly what it is: worthless.


30 posted on 04/05/2007 6:37:53 PM PDT by ilovew (Strong leadership. Romney '08.)
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To: Angry Write Mail

Angry Write Mail, you are incorrect about Mormon theology:

1. Mormons believe that EVERYONE will be resurrected. I’m not sure how other Christian faiths view this but in Mormon theology physical and spiritual death are considered separate items. All will be saved from physical death by being resurrected but not all will be saved from spiritual death (being separated from God).
http://www.mormon.org/learn/0,8672,1145-1,00.html

2. It is true that Mormons believe that in order to be worthy of the highest degree of reward in heaven one must be married but it applies in both directions. Meaning that a husband is just as dependent on his wife to go there as a wife is on her husband. Further while divorce is strongly discouraged it is an option in extreme cases so a women is not forced to choose between remaining with an abusive husband and losing out on potential rewards in the hereafter.


32 posted on 04/05/2007 6:40:23 PM PDT by Aluwid
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To: jatopilot99
What do we know now, though? He has fully funded Planned Parenthood, gay-agenda groups, and he is pro-embryonic stem cell abortion, etc.

That's well enough right there, disqualifying him even if he were an "evangelical Christian" in my book--forget his cult religion.

Honestly, I know we need to be optimistic, but with the Republican candidates now, I see no one who could beat Hillary. I remain convinced, and have for a long time, Hillary will be our next president--and America's great punishment.

33 posted on 04/05/2007 6:42:46 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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35 posted on 04/05/2007 6:45:13 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Angry Write Mail

I think I have a more relevant point: WHO THE HELL CARES? I’m voting for someone on their politics, not their religion. I don’t care if he worships sun gods. It’s really not important.


37 posted on 04/05/2007 6:45:49 PM PDT by ilovew (Strong leadership. Romney '08.)
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To: Angry Write Mail

I’m a 46 year old guy.

Until I was 18 I was a Jehovah’s Witness. While I left them when I was 18 for doctrinal reasons I was always stunned by the amount of “documentation” one could find of beliefs the Witness’s simply did not have.


38 posted on 04/05/2007 6:46:21 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: Utah Girl
Never in a million years would I pull a lever for Slick Mitt. He is phony. Pure 100% snake oil. Lifelong Hunter, Card carrying NRA member (Aug ‘06).

One wife is the norm on this planet, not something to get a major award for.

40 posted on 04/05/2007 6:48:56 PM PDT by Afronaut (Supporting Republican Liberals is the Undeniable End to Freedom)
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To: Reaganesque
It's been two days since you posted a vanity complaining about keywords you disagreed with and threatening everyone with the abuse button.

Today you accuse other Freepers of longing to be murderers.

Hypocrite?

41 posted on 04/05/2007 6:49:06 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (All grey areas are fabrications.)
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To: Angry Write Mail

Except that all of your comments were lies and you haven’t supported anything at all except that you are amazingly ignorant.


42 posted on 04/05/2007 6:49:10 PM PDT by ilovew (Strong leadership. Romney '08.)
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To: Aluwid
Mormons believe that in order to be worthy of the highest degree of reward in heaven one must be married...

Well I guess St. Paul, most all of the great saints of the Middle Ages, and even Jesus Christ Himself just won't make the cut to "the highest degree of the reward in heaven." Pitiful.

Say what you will, but this just isn't Christianity.

43 posted on 04/05/2007 6:49:41 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: Liberty Rattler

What makes them a cult is the idea of a cult-mind.

When you are a member of the Mormon church, you are expected to not question the validity of doctrine or the validity of your Prophet who speaks on behalf of God Almighty, or you will be labeled an Apostate. If your labeled as such, you will find yourself not being able to do business with other Church members who know of your “apostacy” and you and your family will be ostracized.

As a member of the Mormon church, you are expected to participate in ceremonies in order to further your “rank” in the church. You must wear certain garments and you must participate in specific temple rituals in special temple clothing. I believe a huge part of the definition of a cult is that you must keep things secret. The Mormon church keeps temple activities secret and during the Temple ceremonies you are to run your hand in a cutting gesture across your throat and abdomen, symbolizing that revealing the temple secrets mean death. I don’t know, all this doesn’t sound just like any other church to me. What other church do you have to make such a gesture and swear to secrecy?

I guess a great example is the Mountain Meadows Massacre. A group of Mormon men surround and killed over a period of days a wagon train of 150 men women and children that was passing through Utah. They told the remaining men women and children that they would let them surrender after several days. Then, when the wagon train folks laid down their weapons and were escorted from their train, the Mormon men were told by the Mormon leader (Lee) to shoot them all in the head except for children under 8 years of age.

A cult mind means that a person is so unquestioning to a religious organization that they will do anything that their leaders ask of them (in this example, the men killed defenseless women and children and men). Other examples would be like the Jim Jones poison coolaid drinkers, the David Koresh fanatics, etc. History is full of examples.

Once your involved with the cult, it is not easy to get out of it, and ramifications of membership oftentimes effect family relationships.


44 posted on 04/05/2007 6:50:40 PM PDT by jatopilot99 (Mitt Romney is pro-abortion, pro-gay, and pro-euthanasia!)
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To: AnalogReigns

The GOP also used to support high tarrifs and anti-Catholic legislation like the Blaine Amendments.


45 posted on 04/05/2007 6:51:05 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Angry Write Mail

There are many forms of what might be called “traditional Christian religions”. Most of them contradict the others in one way or another. So, who is to say which are the cults and which are not?


46 posted on 04/05/2007 6:51:14 PM PDT by Liberty Rattler (Don't tread on me!)
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To: Aluwid

My personal opinion is you would be better off to ignore baitings to draw you into defending your cult. Let the man and his life speak for him, without getting into contentious wrangles over aspects of Mormonism. Morally, Mitt Romney appears way ahead of his competition, except maybe Duncan Hunter.


47 posted on 04/05/2007 6:52:20 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: goldstategop
Evangelicals might not cotton to Mormon theology but they find plenty to admire about Mormons' commitment to traditional values and family.

what will frighten evangelicals - and rightly so, is that a bright man such as Romney could associate himself with a theology that is so (even at the most cursory glance) full of holes, errant prophechy and un Christian practices which are vieled as "normal".

48 posted on 04/05/2007 6:53:12 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: ilovew

Anyone who cares about the issue of judicial activism, abortion on demand, euthanasia and homosexual favoritism should care. But hey, religion is just irrelevant to politics, right?


50 posted on 04/05/2007 6:55:14 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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