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Bleakest climate report approved
AP on Yahoo ^ | 4/6/07 | Seth Borenstein - ap

Posted on 04/06/2007 8:53:59 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: justa-hairyape; NormsRevenge
"... warmer ocean water leads to more evaporation and more rain. It rains much more in the tropics then is does up in the higher latitudes."

Exactly. All their protestations of calamity miss this salient point. They perceive an increase in temperature only, without considering the resultant increase in evaporation.

Desertification grows during an ice age. Deserts shrink in a warming global climate.

Instead of species dying off, almost all will see a growth opportunity in a milder climate. Consider the rich fauna and biota of Florida as opposed to northern Minnesota or North Dakota.

The African continent has had special problems climatically, and it always will. We as a species should have moved out of there long ago.

61 posted on 04/07/2007 8:47:46 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (I know where I have gone wrong, and I can cite it, chapter and verse.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

We are looking at rain and sleet here in central TEXAS today! It’s 34 degrees outside. In April!


62 posted on 04/07/2007 8:55:42 AM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Yep- we’re all going to die- just as everyone all died during the 1700 global warming ‘crisis’ when greenland was so warm that they were growing grapes for wine, and in which everyone and every living thing perished. Yuppers- we’re all doomed.

I see the U.N is attempting to get their greedy little fingers into the ‘global warming cash cow’ and will be imposing heavy fines on ‘non-compliant’ countries (ie: the U.S- but never a muslim country) that ‘contribute to global warming’.

What does the bible say? In the last days men will prefere a lie over the truth? Yet another prophesy being fulfilled.


63 posted on 04/07/2007 9:35:56 AM PDT by CottShop
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To: Swordfished

[when they get this power for ‘drastic action’ they’ll keep stringing everyone along by saying, “yes the world is still here because we took action, but unless we take even more drastic action we’re doomed’]

Bingo- NO matter what happens, it will always be ‘man’s fault’ and it will always be the liberal saviors who have worked so dilligently to reverse the evils that the uncaring GOP’ers have caused out of their greed and apathy toward the godess called mother nature. I’ve said it before- no matter which way the climate changes- cold or hot, it’s always going to be blamed on us and we’re goign to be accused regardless of what happens- accused and bilked of trillions upon trillions of dollars.


64 posted on 04/07/2007 9:41:42 AM PDT by CottShop
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To: Valin

[If all the polar bears die, that just means more baby seals for us to club]

Amen- Nothing warms the heart like a good seal clubbing outing. Besides, we’re doing our part by helping out the evil ‘man made global warming’ by reducing seal populations as it’s a little known fact that seal farts have a higher concentration of ozone depleting gases than many animals do due to their rich diet of seal milk which is high in fat and contributes to gassy intestines.

Do your part to save ‘mother earth’- club a seal.,


65 posted on 04/07/2007 9:48:49 AM PDT by CottShop
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To: NormsRevenge

It was 40 this morning. This is the first above freezing in the morning reading of the year. I keep my mittens handy anyway. The weather could turn and it could snow at any time.


66 posted on 04/07/2007 9:51:12 AM PDT by RightWhale (3 May '07 3:14 PM)
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To: NormsRevenge; All
Today is April 7, 2007, I am in Houston, Texas and my outside thermometer reads 46 degrees Fahrenheit.

Would Al Gore, the Warming Scam Artist, like to comment on this blistering cold here in the deep, deep South?

67 posted on 04/07/2007 9:57:08 AM PDT by avacado
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To: AmericaUnited

Dude , you’re gonna blow your image.

You’re usually so soft-spoken. :-}


68 posted on 04/07/2007 10:16:37 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... BumP'n'Run 'Right-Wing Extremist' since 2001 ... My profile is on FiRe!)
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To: NormsRevenge

This does drive me the craziest. I can understand people voting for rats/liberals because they want to vote for more share of the pie, but it is hard to understand why so many want to put the gun to their heads and blow their brains out by buying into this utter fraud.


69 posted on 04/07/2007 11:24:57 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited

I hear ya loud and clear.

I could quote ya some passages from the Bible that speak to why some folks are as they are today.

But then some folks might think I was just a Bible BumPer. ;-)


70 posted on 04/07/2007 11:36:46 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... BumP'n'Run 'Right-Wing Extremist' since 2001 ... My profile is on FiRe!)
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To: F.J. Mitchell; All

The problem is the left wingers who want to use the fraud of Global Warming/Global Climate Change/Ozone Hole (etc. for excuse de jour) for imposing anti-personal property laws, are all in the bureacratic ranks.

They write the government reports, they cook the global climate data. Even the weather channel is now into this fraud in the name of ratings.

The MSM silences any dissent because they see it as a power grab for them too. More government ensures they get to go to the power parties too.


71 posted on 04/07/2007 11:49:43 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: NormsRevenge
Take comfort--our ace in the hole is China. (!)

Think about it--it's going to be very hard for the UN to dictate to the US unless they also dictate to China. And they don't have the balls to dictate to China.

72 posted on 04/07/2007 11:51:19 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: NormsRevenge

If it actually gets warmer, there will BE more snowpack. When it was a few degrees warmer the inter-range playas in Nevada were predominantly fresh water lakes. Precipitation was higher, Bristlecone pines grew up to 1000 feet higher in altitude than now...

The dirty little secret of solar cycle driven warming is that the climate will be more stable and wetter in N. America. Greenland will have actual desireable real estate, etc...


73 posted on 04/07/2007 1:33:33 PM PDT by Axenolith ("pound pastrami, can kraut, six bagels ? bring home for Emma")
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To: NicknamedBob
And the Great Hot and Dry Deserts of the World tend to be located at the Horse Latitudes where wind and weather are less significant. About the only logical argument they could make would be that in warming, the tropics expand and the Horse Latitudes will move away from the equator and the Great Desserts will also move away from the equator. But that also means that the Great Desserts will start to see wind and rain in their regions located nearer to the equator.

My guess is that the Science behind this report is pseudoscience. Similar to how they try to explain how Mars warming is not due to Solar Energetic increases.

74 posted on 04/07/2007 3:56:15 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape; Axenolith; NormsRevenge
Here's the definitive article as far as I'm concerned.

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/environment/waterworld.html

by Wm. Robert Johnston

You can get it by Googling, "If all the ice melts".

Today the Earth has 148 million sq. km of land area, of which 16 million sq. km is covered by glaciers. A sea level rise of 66 meters would flood about 13 million sq. km of land outside Antarctica. Without polar ice, Antarctica and Greenland would be ice free, although about half of Antarctica would be under water. Thus, ice-free land would be 128 million sq. km compared to 132 million sq. km today.

As a result, in terms of total habitable land area, the Earth might have more than today. The coastal areas reclaimed by the sea would be mostly offset by now habitable areas of Greenland and Antarctica. Again, remember that such climate change would take thousands of years. Over such time scales vegetation would be restored to newly ice-free regions even without human activity. Also, vast areas which are now desert and tundra would become more fit for human habitation and agriculture.

The illustrations above do not depict any changes in vegetation. In reality, local climates would be very different in ways that are currently difficult to predict. It might be that the warmer climate would lead to generally greater precipitation (this is suggested by comparison to the last ice age, when cooler temperatures caused expansion of the Sahara). Unfortunately, current models are not reliable enough to give a confident answer.

So why wouldn't people drown? Again, a change in the Earth this dramatic would take thousands of years to effect from any realistic cause. Over generations people would migrate as the coasts changed. Consider that virtually all of the settlements in the United States were established only in last 350 years. Of course, many settlements inhabited for thousands of years would have to be abandoned to the ocean--just as many would have to be abandoned if ice age conditions returned and covered vast areas with ice sheets. But people can comfortably adjust where they live over periods of decades, far shorter than the thousands of years needed for these climate changes to naturally take place. Also, that's if they occur, and we have no evidence to indicate what would happen to climate over the next few thousand years.

IV. A final comment

For those curious as to what the Earth would be like with the ice caps melted, this report has hopefully given an illustration, along with some perspective: this sort of change cannot be affected by modern human activity even given many centuries. It is sad that some youngsters think that burning of hydrocarbons could cause the ice caps to melt and drown cities; it is criminal when teachers don't correct this nonsense. And it should tell you much of environmental groups like the Sierra Club when they use such myths to further an extremist political agenda.


75 posted on 04/07/2007 4:27:24 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (I know where I have gone wrong, and I can cite it, chapter and verse.)
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To: Axenolith
Although I have little ready cash, I actually looked on-line to see what real estate prices were like in Greenland. Couldn’t find much other than brokers offering to list, and Greenland NH.
76 posted on 04/07/2007 5:59:11 PM PDT by free_for_now (No Dick Dale in the R&R HOF? - for shame!)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
I miss Arizona sometimes!

Miss it while you can, buddy boy. It seems we A-Zonians are determined to become just another tax-and-spend, Liberal Idiot state.

We are the fastest growing state in the country, and our highest population increase comes from Los Angeles County. Lib-Idiots escaping the destruction they have caused, only to cause the same destruction they have escaped.

Our Tucson City Council can't WAIT to dump more "Tax Increments" on us, to fuel their pie in the sky, Socialist Visions on us, to fund their mega-stadium and Rio Nuevo Project on us.

Tax and spend, tax and spend, with no proof that this is benefitting the community, for ten years. Where is our last bastion?

Maybe I should plan on moving to Idaho or Mississippi, or some place where conservatism is still ok.

I'm afraid liberal nutjobism is spreading like a disease.

What to do about it?

77 posted on 04/07/2007 9:25:39 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: longtermmemmory
Bump! The weather channel has turned me off with it’s global warming hysterics, too. They, the weather experts who have trouble accurately forecasting tomorrow’s weather, should know the limits of such long range predictions.

Truth and reality have been preempted by todays media and politics, of the scam artists, by the scam artists and for the scam artists.

78 posted on 04/08/2007 2:45:50 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Nancy: a fool by birth-a menace by choice .)
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To: FlyVet
I agree! Napolitano is a liberal but the AZ [People's Democratic] Republic shills for her endlessly. I remember when it was a great paper; now it's just another liberal rag. Over here, the Bee is hopeless, too; it might as well be the Rebublic.

My inlaws live in Prescott and Sierra Vista and they tell me they are being overrun by Californians. Now that I'm over here, I see the brainwashing that goes on through the tube every day. I'm sure the brainwashing goes with them when they leave.

Oh and I'm a girl! FRegards!

79 posted on 04/08/2007 4:35:18 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Pray for our President and for our heroes in Iraq and Afghanistan, and around the world!)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
Oh and I'm a girl! FRegards!

Then I must correct myself.

"Miss it while you can, buddy girl".

FRegards back at ya! :P

80 posted on 04/08/2007 8:26:15 PM PDT by FlyVet
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