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'Gay'-rights bill lets court define church's 'purpose'
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 7, 2007 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 04/07/2007 4:27:36 AM PDT by Man50D

A plan being shoved down a fast track in the Oregon Legislature would give homosexuals a vast range of new state laws they could use to impose their moral perspective on Christians across the state, according to opponents who fear for their speech and religious expression rights.

Senate Bill 2, on its face, is written to enshrine in state law special protections for homosexuals by classifying them as a protected civil rights group. But hundreds of pastors – whose churches include tens of thousands of evangelical Christians – are horrified by what they see advancing virtually without opposition.

"Senate Bill 2, in the Oregon House of Representatives, if passed, will limit your free speech rights and rights of conscience; require public schools to teach that homosexual/lesbian/bisexual behavior is 'okay' and 'moral'; impact your rights as a business owner; and put judges in authority on certain church matters," according to David Crowe, of the Christian ministry called Restore America.

This bill is arrogantly, defiantly and deceptively crafted to accomplish a lot more than what it is saying," he told WND. "It definitely adds sexual orientation to the list of protected civil rights groups.

"But there is verbiage in the bill and the verbiage has to do with the primary purpose of a church. They're seeking really to gain a foothold for homosexuals into the Christian church with the court's approval," he said.

"It's more than the nose of the camel, they want the whole camel in the tent to ruminate around however they would like," he said. "The word we've gotten from attorneys is that of all the bills around the country this is the worst," Crowe said.

"The bottom line this is a total effort by the left to subvert our morality, our Judeo-Christian morality and impose on us a morality they consider superior. What it is really is challenging everything we as Christians stand for."

The bill would affect churches even though it has a so-called church exemption, he said, because it would require every church operation that isn't directly in support of its primary mission goal to be subject to mandatory homosexual hiring requirements and other restrictions.

And it would leave the determination of what is in support of a church's primary mission to be determined by a secular judge. It is possible, for example, that a lesbian could sue a church if not hired to be a pastor's secretary.

For Christian business owners, it would require them to hire and promote homosexuals irrespective of the religious beliefs the owner might hold -- or whether the employee agrees with the products, in a Christian bookstore for example.

For parents, it means their children in public schools would be subject to the state-sponsored and state-required indoctrination that the homosexual lifestyle choice is moral – even if the parents hold religious beliefs that contradict that.

"The law – and this is onerous – has a clause that talks about developing a program of education to change our attitudes," Crowe said. "To change our attitudes? Is it the government's business to change attitudes? But that's precisely what's in the bill."

"They want to put into law [their] view of morality, and that's a small minority view of morality. They are seeking to impose that on the rest of us," he said.

Nearly 500 Christian pastors from across the state recently gathered with representatives of the Legislature to express their opposition to the proposal, and afterwards issued a statement that the law, if approved, would be "the most sweeping and culturally devastating law in Oregon history, establishing pagan morality under the guise of a 'civil right,' and imposing it upon all Oregonians under the cover of 'law.'"

Crowed noted that of the 14 states that have added "sexual orientation" to their protected classes, all except Senate Bill 2 provide clear protection for churches. "Not one includes wording that allows courts to determine the 'primary purpose' of a church, but SB 2 does," he noted.

"The majority of our legislators have chosen to believe the lie that those who engage in homosexual activity cannot help themselves, and that they are being unjustly and wrongly discriminated against, when in fact, neither is true," Crowe said.

The proposal "clearly opens the door to liberal judges to redefine and decide the 'primary purpose' of a church, and violates the rights of everyone," said Crowe, who recommends people sign a petition to encourage legislators to oppose the plan.

The governor had appointed a commission to study the issue, but included only representatives of liberal or "gay" churches, leaving members of 2,500 Bible-believing and teaching churches unrepresented on the panel, he said.

Individual leaders from Christian organizations already have begun contacting not only their lawmakers, but Gov. Ted Kulongoski too.

A letter from Vernon M. Marks, superintendent of the Oregon Assemblies of God churches, told Kulongoski that the more than 30,000 members of those churches are urging the rejection of the plan.

His letter told the governor the bills will:

1. Violate the very moral and ethical foundations of our culture.

2. Restrict the rights of our citizens to make moral distinctions and to speak freely.

3. Disregard fundamental biblical guidelines for the sanctity of traditional family.

4. Promote dysfunctional family structures that will rob the next generation.

5. Ignore the overwhelming vote of Oregonians to preserve traditional marriage.

6. Discriminate against parents raising mentally and physically challenged adult children.

7. Provide special rights for a few and ignore the civil rights of the majority of Oregonians.

8. Discriminate against parental moral values and convictions.

9. Promote behaviors that clearly violate common sense and social stability.

10. Will create a huge strain on Oregonians economically.

11. Will elevate the already taxed judicial system in dealing with lawsuits over these issues.

12. Infringe on the constitutional protection of the free exercise of religion.

John Fortmeyer, publisher of the Christian News Northwest reported that the Legislature has given the appearance of allowing public input, but it doesn't appear to impact any decisions.

Nick Graham of the Oregon Family Council told him a March hearing on the plan lasted seven hours and had 126 people register to oppose it. Sixty-five supported it.

"We had fantastic testimony in opposition, such as from legal firms and executive pastors," Graham said. "But to no avail, that evening, the bill was passed out of committee and sent to the floor of the Senate ... We were given the appearance of public input, but ultimately it meant nothing."

"Also, PRAY!" said a message from Marks to the church group's pastors. "This is possibly the most dangerous piece of legislation to come from Oregon's legislature."

The Constitution Party said the plan is a "recipe for civil war."


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1 posted on 04/07/2007 4:27:37 AM PDT by Man50D
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To: Man50D

We are going to see more and more of these kinds of bills, and unfortunately with the stupidity and ignorance of today’s modern voter, many will make it into law before the full effects are understood.

One really does have to worry for the future of this country.


2 posted on 04/07/2007 4:53:13 AM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: Man50D
The Constitution Party said the plan is a "recipe for civil war."

The 1% of the population is really pushing their luck. I'm long past the point of tolerance in any form and say there should be civil war. Militant queers should be given long prison sentences just like pedophiles, goat humpers, etc.

3 posted on 04/07/2007 5:05:05 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Man50D
Hmmm, anyone could claim they were a homosexual, right? How else could one tell? Would they have to fornicate in open court?

I feel sick...

5.56mm

4 posted on 04/07/2007 5:11:06 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Man50D
"The majority of our legislators have chosen to believe the lie that those who engage in homosexual activity cannot help themselves, and that they are being unjustly and wrongly discriminated against, when in fact, neither is true," Crowe said.

Why did the legislators not include the same provisions for prostitution or incest or polygamy or polyandry, etc.?

All of these activities are, indeed, sexual activities just as is homosexual behavior. Logically, if you are going to protect one group of sexual practitioners on the basis of "rights," you must extend that protection to all others.

Conversely, if the law can prohibit or restrict one type of sexual behavior such as polygamy or prostitution, it can prohibit others as the majority of citizenry demands.

On a similar note of logic, if it is constitutitonally acceptable to regulate (prohibit) prostitution or incest, etc., without violating the rights of practitioners, then homosexual behavior can be regulated (prohibited). Therefore, there is no such thing as the "right" to engage in homosexual activity.
5 posted on 04/07/2007 5:25:18 AM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: Man50D

The destruction of morality continues; will civil rights for pedophiles be next? Truly troubling, and disgusting.


6 posted on 04/07/2007 6:02:39 AM PDT by Inge C (,)
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To: txzman
We are going to see more and more of these kinds of bills, and unfortunately with the stupidity and ignorance of today’s modern voter, many will make it into law before the full effects are understood. One really does have to worry for the future of this country.

It is as if the devil was loosed, knowing he has but a short time. It sure seems like everything has just completely gone whacko in the last 20 years. Up is down, left is right, evil is good, etc. I think I read that it would happen this way....I just...can't...remember....where.... ;)

7 posted on 04/07/2007 6:13:01 AM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch (...And we, poor fools, demand truth's noon, who scarce can bear its crescent moon.)
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To: Lucky Dog

Has CHOD (Couldn’t Help Ourselves Disorder) found its way into the DSM yet?
(It’s the standard catalog of official mental disorders.)
I know homosexuality is out, but anybody who excuses his behavior by claiming “I couldn’t help it,” needs a category just for that.


8 posted on 04/07/2007 6:24:50 AM PDT by Graymatter (FREDeralist)
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To: Man50D; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; ...

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9 posted on 04/07/2007 9:32:08 AM PDT by Coleus (What were Ted Kennedy his son & nephew doing on Good Friday, 1991? Getting drunk and raping women?)
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To: Man50D
California passed a similiar measure last year. The Gay Lobby's aim is to outlaw heterosexuality and criminalize traditional values. And the law is a great teacher in shaping social attitudes. This a continuation of the Left's centuries long war against religion and the family.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

10 posted on 04/07/2007 9:41:22 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: scripter; wagglebee

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11 posted on 04/07/2007 9:46:22 AM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: Man50D
"This is possibly the most dangerous piece of legislation to come from Oregon's legislature."

Until the next one.

12 posted on 04/07/2007 11:13:53 AM PDT by Ingtar (...right wing conservatives are growing tired of crawling on bloody stumps looking for scraps - JRob)
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To: Man50D
Homosexuality used to be classified as a mental illness...it was a political decision to change it. It appears time to reinstate that analysis.
13 posted on 04/07/2007 11:42:23 AM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Lucky Dog

This is about thoughtcrime. And the other sexual activities day will come.

The Sex Positive Agenda pushes for an end to ALL moral judgments over sexual pairings regardless of sex, age, marital status, relation, number, or species of partner(s). They seek to make everyone sexually active at every age and consider abstinence “unhealthy”.

The feminists preached it. Kinsey and Reich preached it.

The homosexual agenda is merely the battering ram to society’s laws and mores for the whole hog to be shoved down our throats.

The last vestiage of sanctuary had been religion. This type of legislation makes it a thought crime to discriminate against anyone’s sexual beliefs.

I guess for those who’s religion is sexular/secular hedonism, it may indeed be Constitutionally protected. The question is whether this humanist religion should dominate over all other faiths which have thousands of years of history.


15 posted on 04/07/2007 11:53:54 AM PDT by weegee (Carbon credits are nothing but the Global Warming movement's way of selling indugences.)
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16 posted on 04/07/2007 11:55:48 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: TonyRo76
You and I are not alone.

Make it three.
18 posted on 04/07/2007 12:01:24 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: highlander_UW
The head of some childrens’ psychiatric board has at age 74 been accused of molesting boys (some of the cases stretch back decades, others are more recent).

The inmates are running the asylum. The boys in lavender changed homosexuality from its classification as a mental disorder because it suited their proclivities.

They've realize that to change the system, change must come from within. Our society has been subverted. The real change should have come from the individual who was tempted to do 'wrong'. Not necessarily the society who dared say what he did was 'wrong'.

19 posted on 04/07/2007 12:08:05 PM PDT by weegee (Carbon credits are nothing but the Global Warming movement's way of selling indugences.)
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To: Man50D

This is not a “recipe for civil war.”
Most of the country has been indoctrinated in government schools for many generations now.
The takeover is complete.
People give lip-service only to Christian beliefs.
Those opposing this bill represent a small “shrill” minority (which is what the MSM and politicians regard them as).
The majority of people just yawn and ask, “What’s the problem? Isn’t it right to let people ‘love’ whoever they want? Why should these fundamentalists impose their religion on us? Who cares if this bill passes. It doesn’t hurt me.”
That’s the reality.
And, that is what is taught to children from an early age.
And so long as conservatives keep shipping their children off to be indoctrinated in government schools, the country will continue its slide into the slime pit.


20 posted on 04/07/2007 12:13:03 PM PDT by XR7
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21 posted on 04/07/2007 12:17:39 PM PDT by XR7
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ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. If you want on/off this list, please freepmail me. The main Homeschool Ping List by DaveLoneRanger handles the homeschool-specific articles.

Please note in the article that there is some reference to the public schools and how this bill would also affect them.

22 posted on 04/07/2007 1:24:56 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; Salvation

There could be a bright side to all this. If this bill passes the legislature and signed by the nitwit Governor, there could be a referendum to overturn it and not only will the legislators from marginal districts be defeated, but it could bring down liberal candidates across the state and cost the Democrats Oregon’s electoral votes, as well.


23 posted on 04/07/2007 1:30:19 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: AmericaUnited
[I'm long past the point of tolerance in any form and say there should be civil war.]
 
The Republic is due for an overhaul anyways.
 
The wild card is how many of them are sitting in the Military's closet.  I've seen queer nepotism at work. 
Eisner's 40% statement was spot on.
 
[In her keynote address to a 1998 conference of the University of California Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgendered Association, lesbian activist Elizabeth Birch told her audience: "[W]hen I said to Michael Eisner, CEO of Disney, [that] ‘30 percent of your employees are gay,’ he said, ‘You are wrong, Elizabeth, it’s 40 [percent].’"]
 
 
This isn't surprising at all.  Not having family responsiblities provides lots of time for political activism and corporate ladder climbing.  Simple.

24 posted on 04/07/2007 3:54:56 PM PDT by VxH (There are those who declare the impossible - and those who do the impossible.)
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To: Inge C

The judges in Vermont are already working on it. Pedaphiles up there get slaps on the wrist.


25 posted on 04/07/2007 6:17:21 PM PDT by 3catsanadog (Vote for the person at the primaries; vote for the party at the election.)
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To: Man50D
2. Restrict the rights of our citizens to make moral distinctions and to speak freely.

What will this mean for our Oregon Freepers. Could they be breaking the Oregon law by posting their views here?

26 posted on 04/07/2007 6:21:48 PM PDT by 3catsanadog (Vote for the person at the primaries; vote for the party at the election.)
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To: XR7
Does anybody remember when you could see a rainbow, or a depiction of one, and not immediately think about the "gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered" agenda?

Original story: The rainbow was God's sign to Noah that He wouldn't do another Flood.

New story: The rainbow was God's sign to Noah that He had screwed up by telling Noah to load the animals on the ark in hetero-normative pairs. God realized that He should have been more inclusive of alternative animal lifestyles. So He gave Noah the sign of the rainbow to signify that in case another Flood was necessary, a much more Diverse ark manifest would be needed, including some of all the gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered animals.
27 posted on 04/07/2007 6:53:07 PM PDT by omnivore
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To: Man50D

P I N G!!!


28 posted on 04/07/2007 7:39:25 PM PDT by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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To: Man50D

Between the Muslims and the Gays I’m not sure who is going to ‘destroy’ America first.


29 posted on 04/07/2007 8:12:05 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: omnivore
New story: The rainbow was God's sign to Noah that He had screwed up by telling Noah to load the animals on the ark in hetero-normative pairs. God realized that He should have been more inclusive of alternative animal lifestyles. So He gave Noah the sign of the rainbow to signify that in case another Flood was necessary, a much more Diverse ark manifest would be needed, including some of all the gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered animals.

I'm sure this version will work it's way into school textbooks if it hasn't already.
30 posted on 04/07/2007 8:31:38 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: Man50D

An interesting fact is that Oregon was once a stronghold of the KKK and once tried to shut down Catholic schools in the state. The Supreme Court ruled against them in the “society of Sisters” case in 192(?3).


31 posted on 04/07/2007 8:37:14 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: XR7

The solution is, of course, more homse schooling and more religious schools. Notice the hostility of the NEA toward both. They want every child to be unbder ehtie thumb.


32 posted on 04/07/2007 8:39:08 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: txzman

What you said!


33 posted on 04/07/2007 8:41:08 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Man50D

No way is this constitutional.


34 posted on 04/07/2007 10:27:35 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Sanjaya 2008. He couldn't be worse than those really running.)
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To: Man50D
The cancer continues to spread. I believe the cancer is rooted in satan, and in our forgetting where we came from.

There may be a brave new world in our future, very different from what we grew up with.

35 posted on 04/07/2007 10:34:13 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: XR7
Did anyone notice the wording in this propagandist poster:

If you do not feel welcome here, or know of any gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender harassment, please call....

And then what? The Gaystapo will descend upon your school to conduct an inquisition? Something tells me this in not pure exaggeration.

36 posted on 04/08/2007 7:28:23 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: Coleus

Thanks, I’ll be a-pinging later today.


37 posted on 04/08/2007 8:54:09 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Only those who thirst for truth can know truth.)
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To: wagglebee

You got it!


38 posted on 04/08/2007 8:55:38 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Only those who thirst for truth can know truth.)
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To: newzjunkey; All
No way is this constitutional.

Neither are income taxes.
Tell it to the judge.

39 posted on 04/08/2007 9:10:43 AM PDT by XR7
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To: Man50D
"Promote behaviors that clearly violate common sense and social stability."

I am not sure this is a worthwhile point to try to make to any politician. Especially ones proposing a radical homosexual takeover of the church and state.

40 posted on 04/08/2007 10:26:05 AM PDT by freemike
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To: Man50D
This is a complete violation of the TRUE reason for the purported separation between Church and State. To keep the State from meddling within religious realms.

Mark

41 posted on 04/08/2007 10:28:37 AM PDT by MarkL (Environmental heretics should be burned at the stake, in a "Carbon Neutral" way...)
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To: AmericaUnited
The 1% of the population is really pushing their luck. I'm long past the point of tolerance in any form and say there should be civil war. Militant queers should be given long prison sentences just like pedophiles, goat humpers, etc.

You've hit on the real crux of the matter here. While they cry about tolerance, what they really want is not just acceptance, but validation. Both of which are completely different from tolerance. Tolerance means that we tolerate them. They don't want to be tolerated. Many don't even just want to be accepted as they are. The loudest, tiny minority want themselves to be declared "normal." And they're willing to do anything to get that.

Mark

42 posted on 04/08/2007 10:33:35 AM PDT by MarkL (Environmental heretics should be burned at the stake, in a "Carbon Neutral" way...)
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To: Lucky Dog

If all sins were equally advocated, groups advocating murder, rape, incest, torture, adultery, child abuse and so on would actually exist alongside the gay ones. Curiously, there is already a group that advocates for child abuse - NAMBLA - and oddly enough, it’s a homosexual group too.

Until we regain the moral clarity to speak with authority on this issue and forget about trying to be nice PC tolerant accepting liberals, the problem will remain.

You can mark me down as suffering from “homonausea.”


43 posted on 04/08/2007 10:34:14 AM PDT by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: newzjunkey
No way is this constitutional.

Neither is CFR, that didn't stop them.
44 posted on 04/08/2007 10:35:10 AM PDT by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: XR7
This deserves to be repeated:

This is not a “recipe for civil war.” Most of the country has been indoctrinated in government schools for many generations now. The takeover is complete. People give lip-service only to Christian beliefs. Those opposing this bill represent a small “shrill” minority (which is what the MSM and politicians regard them as). The majority of people just yawn and ask, “What’s the problem? Isn’t it right to let people ‘love’ whoever they want? Why should these fundamentalists impose their religion on us? Who cares if this bill passes. It doesn’t hurt me.” That’s the reality. And, that is what is taught to children from an early age. And so long as conservatives keep shipping their children off to be indoctrinated in government schools, the country will continue its slide into the slime pit.

45 posted on 04/08/2007 11:23:36 AM PDT by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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To: Old_Mil
You can mark me down as suffering from “homonausea.”

This is a term that is also more appropriate for my own mental condition than "homophobia."

"Phobia" is, by first definition (adopted from Greek), a "fear" accoriding to the dictionary. I do not fear "homos." Secondarily, it is hase been "perverted" to mean hatred by some who re-define words like "gay." Nonetheless, I do not hate "homos."

Therefore, I guess that I now to be classed as a "homoauseac."
46 posted on 04/08/2007 11:31:54 AM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: Lucky Dog

How about Nudists? Where are their rights?


47 posted on 04/08/2007 11:43:16 AM PDT by bpjam (Never Give Up, Never Surrender (Unless Nancy Pelosi gives you permission))
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To: Man50D

In the future, we’ll probably have to pass bills which actually ‘protect’ churches ability to practice their own faith without government input (your know, kinda like the constitution but with the approval of state legislatures).


48 posted on 04/08/2007 11:47:23 AM PDT by bpjam (Never Give Up, Never Surrender (Unless Nancy Pelosi gives you permission))
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To: TruthConquers

BTTT


49 posted on 04/08/2007 12:41:42 PM PDT by XR7
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To: XR7

All families welcome - except heterosexual Christians and Jews.
Similar topic, anyone remember some nitwit on the now defunct Donahue show that made the claim that any child raised in a household that included a father and mother was damaged and abused?


50 posted on 04/08/2007 12:51:23 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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