Skip to comments.'Gay'-rights bill lets court define church's 'purpose'
Posted on 04/07/2007 4:27:36 AM PDT by Man50D
A plan being shoved down a fast track in the Oregon Legislature would give homosexuals a vast range of new state laws they could use to impose their moral perspective on Christians across the state, according to opponents who fear for their speech and religious expression rights.
Senate Bill 2, on its face, is written to enshrine in state law special protections for homosexuals by classifying them as a protected civil rights group. But hundreds of pastors whose churches include tens of thousands of evangelical Christians are horrified by what they see advancing virtually without opposition.
"Senate Bill 2, in the Oregon House of Representatives, if passed, will limit your free speech rights and rights of conscience; require public schools to teach that homosexual/lesbian/bisexual behavior is 'okay' and 'moral'; impact your rights as a business owner; and put judges in authority on certain church matters," according to David Crowe, of the Christian ministry called Restore America.
This bill is arrogantly, defiantly and deceptively crafted to accomplish a lot more than what it is saying," he told WND. "It definitely adds sexual orientation to the list of protected civil rights groups.
"But there is verbiage in the bill and the verbiage has to do with the primary purpose of a church. They're seeking really to gain a foothold for homosexuals into the Christian church with the court's approval," he said.
"It's more than the nose of the camel, they want the whole camel in the tent to ruminate around however they would like," he said. "The word we've gotten from attorneys is that of all the bills around the country this is the worst," Crowe said.
"The bottom line this is a total effort by the left to subvert our morality, our Judeo-Christian morality and impose on us a morality they consider superior. What it is really is challenging everything we as Christians stand for."
The bill would affect churches even though it has a so-called church exemption, he said, because it would require every church operation that isn't directly in support of its primary mission goal to be subject to mandatory homosexual hiring requirements and other restrictions.
And it would leave the determination of what is in support of a church's primary mission to be determined by a secular judge. It is possible, for example, that a lesbian could sue a church if not hired to be a pastor's secretary.
For Christian business owners, it would require them to hire and promote homosexuals irrespective of the religious beliefs the owner might hold -- or whether the employee agrees with the products, in a Christian bookstore for example.
For parents, it means their children in public schools would be subject to the state-sponsored and state-required indoctrination that the homosexual lifestyle choice is moral even if the parents hold religious beliefs that contradict that.
"The law and this is onerous has a clause that talks about developing a program of education to change our attitudes," Crowe said. "To change our attitudes? Is it the government's business to change attitudes? But that's precisely what's in the bill."
"They want to put into law [their] view of morality, and that's a small minority view of morality. They are seeking to impose that on the rest of us," he said.
Nearly 500 Christian pastors from across the state recently gathered with representatives of the Legislature to express their opposition to the proposal, and afterwards issued a statement that the law, if approved, would be "the most sweeping and culturally devastating law in Oregon history, establishing pagan morality under the guise of a 'civil right,' and imposing it upon all Oregonians under the cover of 'law.'"
Crowed noted that of the 14 states that have added "sexual orientation" to their protected classes, all except Senate Bill 2 provide clear protection for churches. "Not one includes wording that allows courts to determine the 'primary purpose' of a church, but SB 2 does," he noted.
"The majority of our legislators have chosen to believe the lie that those who engage in homosexual activity cannot help themselves, and that they are being unjustly and wrongly discriminated against, when in fact, neither is true," Crowe said.
The proposal "clearly opens the door to liberal judges to redefine and decide the 'primary purpose' of a church, and violates the rights of everyone," said Crowe, who recommends people sign a petition to encourage legislators to oppose the plan.
The governor had appointed a commission to study the issue, but included only representatives of liberal or "gay" churches, leaving members of 2,500 Bible-believing and teaching churches unrepresented on the panel, he said.
Individual leaders from Christian organizations already have begun contacting not only their lawmakers, but Gov. Ted Kulongoski too.
A letter from Vernon M. Marks, superintendent of the Oregon Assemblies of God churches, told Kulongoski that the more than 30,000 members of those churches are urging the rejection of the plan.
His letter told the governor the bills will:
1. Violate the very moral and ethical foundations of our culture.
2. Restrict the rights of our citizens to make moral distinctions and to speak freely.
3. Disregard fundamental biblical guidelines for the sanctity of traditional family.
4. Promote dysfunctional family structures that will rob the next generation.
5. Ignore the overwhelming vote of Oregonians to preserve traditional marriage.
6. Discriminate against parents raising mentally and physically challenged adult children.
7. Provide special rights for a few and ignore the civil rights of the majority of Oregonians.
8. Discriminate against parental moral values and convictions.
9. Promote behaviors that clearly violate common sense and social stability.
10. Will create a huge strain on Oregonians economically.
11. Will elevate the already taxed judicial system in dealing with lawsuits over these issues.
12. Infringe on the constitutional protection of the free exercise of religion.
John Fortmeyer, publisher of the Christian News Northwest reported that the Legislature has given the appearance of allowing public input, but it doesn't appear to impact any decisions.
Nick Graham of the Oregon Family Council told him a March hearing on the plan lasted seven hours and had 126 people register to oppose it. Sixty-five supported it.
"We had fantastic testimony in opposition, such as from legal firms and executive pastors," Graham said. "But to no avail, that evening, the bill was passed out of committee and sent to the floor of the Senate ... We were given the appearance of public input, but ultimately it meant nothing."
"Also, PRAY!" said a message from Marks to the church group's pastors. "This is possibly the most dangerous piece of legislation to come from Oregon's legislature."
The Constitution Party said the plan is a "recipe for civil war."
We are going to see more and more of these kinds of bills, and unfortunately with the stupidity and ignorance of today’s modern voter, many will make it into law before the full effects are understood.
One really does have to worry for the future of this country.
The 1% of the population is really pushing their luck. I'm long past the point of tolerance in any form and say there should be civil war. Militant queers should be given long prison sentences just like pedophiles, goat humpers, etc.
I feel sick...
The destruction of morality continues; will civil rights for pedophiles be next? Truly troubling, and disgusting.
It is as if the devil was loosed, knowing he has but a short time. It sure seems like everything has just completely gone whacko in the last 20 years. Up is down, left is right, evil is good, etc. I think I read that it would happen this way....I just...can't...remember....where.... ;)
Has CHOD (Couldn’t Help Ourselves Disorder) found its way into the DSM yet?
(It’s the standard catalog of official mental disorders.)
I know homosexuality is out, but anybody who excuses his behavior by claiming “I couldn’t help it,” needs a category just for that.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Until the next one.
This is about thoughtcrime. And the other sexual activities day will come.
The Sex Positive Agenda pushes for an end to ALL moral judgments over sexual pairings regardless of sex, age, marital status, relation, number, or species of partner(s). They seek to make everyone sexually active at every age and consider abstinence “unhealthy”.
The feminists preached it. Kinsey and Reich preached it.
The homosexual agenda is merely the battering ram to society’s laws and mores for the whole hog to be shoved down our throats.
The last vestiage of sanctuary had been religion. This type of legislation makes it a thought crime to discriminate against anyone’s sexual beliefs.
I guess for those who’s religion is sexular/secular hedonism, it may indeed be Constitutionally protected. The question is whether this humanist religion should dominate over all other faiths which have thousands of years of history.
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The inmates are running the asylum. The boys in lavender changed homosexuality from its classification as a mental disorder because it suited their proclivities.
They've realize that to change the system, change must come from within. Our society has been subverted. The real change should have come from the individual who was tempted to do 'wrong'. Not necessarily the society who dared say what he did was 'wrong'.
This is not a “recipe for civil war.”
Most of the country has been indoctrinated in government schools for many generations now.
The takeover is complete.
People give lip-service only to Christian beliefs.
Those opposing this bill represent a small “shrill” minority (which is what the MSM and politicians regard them as).
The majority of people just yawn and ask, “What’s the problem? Isn’t it right to let people ‘love’ whoever they want? Why should these fundamentalists impose their religion on us? Who cares if this bill passes. It doesn’t hurt me.”
That’s the reality.
And, that is what is taught to children from an early age.
And so long as conservatives keep shipping their children off to be indoctrinated in government schools, the country will continue its slide into the slime pit.
Please note in the article that there is some reference to the public schools and how this bill would also affect them.
There could be a bright side to all this. If this bill passes the legislature and signed by the nitwit Governor, there could be a referendum to overturn it and not only will the legislators from marginal districts be defeated, but it could bring down liberal candidates across the state and cost the Democrats Oregon’s electoral votes, as well.
The judges in Vermont are already working on it. Pedaphiles up there get slaps on the wrist.
What will this mean for our Oregon Freepers. Could they be breaking the Oregon law by posting their views here?
P I N G!!!
Between the Muslims and the Gays I’m not sure who is going to ‘destroy’ America first.
An interesting fact is that Oregon was once a stronghold of the KKK and once tried to shut down Catholic schools in the state. The Supreme Court ruled against them in the “society of Sisters” case in 192(?3).
The solution is, of course, more homse schooling and more religious schools. Notice the hostility of the NEA toward both. They want every child to be unbder ehtie thumb.
What you said!
No way is this constitutional.
There may be a brave new world in our future, very different from what we grew up with.
If you do not feel welcome here, or know of any gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender harassment, please call....
And then what? The Gaystapo will descend upon your school to conduct an inquisition? Something tells me this in not pure exaggeration.
Thanks, I’ll be a-pinging later today.
You got it!
Neither are income taxes.
Tell it to the judge.
I am not sure this is a worthwhile point to try to make to any politician. Especially ones proposing a radical homosexual takeover of the church and state.
You've hit on the real crux of the matter here. While they cry about tolerance, what they really want is not just acceptance, but validation. Both of which are completely different from tolerance. Tolerance means that we tolerate them. They don't want to be tolerated. Many don't even just want to be accepted as they are. The loudest, tiny minority want themselves to be declared "normal." And they're willing to do anything to get that.
If all sins were equally advocated, groups advocating murder, rape, incest, torture, adultery, child abuse and so on would actually exist alongside the gay ones. Curiously, there is already a group that advocates for child abuse - NAMBLA - and oddly enough, it’s a homosexual group too.
Until we regain the moral clarity to speak with authority on this issue and forget about trying to be nice PC tolerant accepting liberals, the problem will remain.
You can mark me down as suffering from “homonausea.”
This is not a recipe for civil war. Most of the country has been indoctrinated in government schools for many generations now. The takeover is complete. People give lip-service only to Christian beliefs. Those opposing this bill represent a small shrill minority (which is what the MSM and politicians regard them as). The majority of people just yawn and ask, Whats the problem? Isnt it right to let people love whoever they want? Why should these fundamentalists impose their religion on us? Who cares if this bill passes. It doesnt hurt me. Thats the reality. And, that is what is taught to children from an early age. And so long as conservatives keep shipping their children off to be indoctrinated in government schools, the country will continue its slide into the slime pit.
How about Nudists? Where are their rights?
In the future, we’ll probably have to pass bills which actually ‘protect’ churches ability to practice their own faith without government input (your know, kinda like the constitution but with the approval of state legislatures).
All families welcome - except heterosexual Christians and Jews.
Similar topic, anyone remember some nitwit on the now defunct Donahue show that made the claim that any child raised in a household that included a father and mother was damaged and abused?
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