Skip to comments.Is The Sun Starting To Set?
Posted on 04/07/2007 8:00:30 AM PDT by Kitten Festival
Hostage Crisis: It's hard to say what was more troubling about the latest ordeal Iran's immoral and illegal seizure of 15 British sailors or the fond farewells the ex-hostages bid their captors.
It's easy to sit on the sidelines and criticize, particularly someone who's been through a grueling ordeal. And that certainly describes what Britain's sailors went through.
That said, the reactions of those sailors and indeed, of the British government during the whole crisis was distressing. Is this all that's left of Britain's once-famous martial spirit? Let's hope not.
In an earlier age, sailors and marines of Her Majesty’s armed forces would have fought to the last man and chosen death before dishonor, rather than to bring such disdain and stain to the United Kingdom.
How is it that such de-evolution has occurred that allows soldiers to rationalize that it is more important to do anything and everything to preserve their own lives, instead of fighting to the death in defense of their honor, their fellow soldiers, and their Nation?
This sad spectacle bodes nothing good for Britain, Sir Winston will see from on high his words again come true, ‘you have chosen dishonor over war. you shall have both.’
The sun isn’t setting, it’s already nighttime for the U.K.
God Save the Queen.
Agreed. I find this incident more sobering than anything the enemy itself has done. It’s illustrative of where the West finds itself.
It was simply a very public test of the UK strength and their will, and no one needs to be told how badly the UK failed which puts them at the same level of all the other Euroweinies who occupy the continent. The EU will not stand up to the Islamo-fascists within their borders or outside their borders.
But are the leaders any different?
I have a hunch we'll soon find out...
God Save the Queen.
I didn't know you were that big a fan of Tony Blair /sarc>
Of course, the operative phrase could be "prisoner of war". Not having a declared state of war could have slowed the British chain of command's thinking process until it was too late to react.
The Code of Conduct
I am an American fighting in the forces that guard my country and our way of life, I am prepared to give my life in their defense.
I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.
If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.
If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.
Should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies.
I will never forget that I am an American fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.
You’re a funny fellow, LOL
American Hostages held in Iran.
And how did we respond to this action by NK?
Take it easy on the Brits.
ping - DEVESTATING.
Who was President when this happened? You know it was a white flag waving democrat surrender monkey!
europe ceased to be important after ww 1,
when france insisted upon unreasonable reparations from germany.
the despair of germany produced hitler.
ww 2 finished the goths and angle saxon tribes et al off.
“How is it that such de-evolution has occurred that allows soldiers to rationalize that it is more important to do anything and everything to preserve their own lives, instead of fighting to the death in defense of their honor, their fellow soldiers, and their Nation?”
These characteristics now belong to the Al Quaeda and Islamist soldiers, like it or not.
These latest events reemphasize how close we in the west are to unconditional surrender without a fight.
The sun began to set sometime during WW I.
Our military has orders to engage immediatly. The UK and Iran just had a screw-up. Nothing to go to war over. A lot of stupid crap goes on. Usually whatever military force is told to go away. The problem in that area is piracy and hijacking of merchant ships. And the reason for ship-to-ship communication is they can’t stop on a dime.
“These latest events reemphasize how close we in the west are to unconditional surrender without a fight.”
The three choices of Islam: Convert, death, or dhimmi. It would be prudent for readers of our board to start pondering... just in case.
“It would be prudent for readers of our board to start pondering... just in case.”
Locked and Loaded.
Any other suggestions.
If what you say is true.. Then not only has Americas schools dumbed America down greatly the dumbing down has been all over the western countrys.. For it appears that "the People" don't even know this has happened.. Charlotte Iserby's book "The Dumbing down of America" is true on a wider sense..
I agree but look at the headlines on Drudge in the last two days with the 15 now reporting the real ways they were treated. Now if the Brits could only get enough spine after Blair departs to still fight Islamofascism, all may not be lost. According to Mark Steyn, America will be fighting Islam all alone. I believe it and then when the lefty Dems finally take over, our way of life will be done too. God save the Republic.
Not sure what you meant about the real ways they were treated? It was decidely unpleasant- no one will argue that...but torture?
I’m still trying to catch up on some of it- so am uncelar EXACTLY what the Code of Conduct is for the Brits. What is clear is their actions would have been a violation of the US military Code.
Agreed. And we have no right to throw stones at the Brits when our own border defenders are imprisoned for just doing their jobs.
As a native Brit I don’t think I’m being that controversial in saying that our ‘martial spirit’ declined long ago. I know that might come as a shock to some here who still use WW2 as a point of reference, but since 1945 what great military achievments can be attributed to the UK? Apart from the Falklands conflict (which, let’s face it, was hardly a war of Earth-shattering importance), pretty much anything we’ve achieved since then has been through riding on the coat-tails of the US. If it wasn’t for the historical ties across the Atlantic it’s likely that the UK would no more of a military power than France or German (in fact probably less than France, as at least they’ve retained a fair degree of national pride and some of the colonial spirit).
Well it appears that the 15, once home told a different story from the goody bag one and that the were roughed up, treated with old fashioned brain washing techniques et al. Rule of engagement , being what they are nowadays, PC, no one is sure just where our military should or would stand. That is SECDEF and WH fault in my mind.
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