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Democrat met opposition leader in Egypt (Steny Hoyer met Muslim Brotherhood's parliament leader)
AP on Yahoo ^ | 4/7/07 | Nadia Abou El-Magd - ap

Posted on 04/07/2007 3:53:36 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

CAIRO, Egypt - A top U.S. Democratic congressman met a leading member of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood, an outlawed opposition group, during a recent visit to the country, the Islamic fundamentalist group and U.S. officials said Saturday.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (news, bio, voting record) met with the Muslim Brotherhood's parliament leader, Mohammed Saad el-Katatni, twice on Thursday — once at the parliament building and then at the home of the U.S. ambassador to Egypt, said Brotherhood spokesman Hamdi Hassan.

U.S. Embassy spokesman John Berry would only confirm that Hoyer, who represents Maryland, met with el-Katatni at U.S. Ambassador Francis Ricciardone's home at a reception with other politicians and parliament members.

Though officially banned since 1954, the Brotherhood is tolerated by the government and has become Egypt's largest opposition group and President Hosni Mubarak's most powerful rival.

Its members, who run as independents, make up the largest opposition bloc in parliament, holding about one-fifth of its 454 seats.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has refused in the past to meet with the Muslim Brotherhood.

But Berry said U.S. government policy does not bar meetings with Brotherhood members of parliament and Hoyer's talks with el-Katatni were not a change in U.S. policy toward the group.

"It's our diplomatic practice around the world to meet with parliamentarians, be they members of political parties or independents," Berry said. "We haven't changed our policy with regard to the Muslim Brotherhood as an organization."

The State Department had no comment Saturday on Hoyer's meetings with the group.

Berry stressed that Hoyer met with el-Katatni in his capacity as an independent member of Egyptian parliament. He would not say what the two discussed.

Hassan said the two lawmakers discussed developments in the Middle East, the "Brotherhood's vision" and opposition movements in Egypt. He said the two met privately at the ambassador's home and with other members of Hoyer's bipartisan delegation and Egyptian lawmakers at the parliament building.

Hoyer's meeting came just a day after Democratic Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record) drew sharp criticism from the Bush administration for meeting with Syrian President Bashar Assad in Damascus.

Pelosi and other Democrats argue the administration needs to engage Syria to resolve some of the most intractable problems in the Middle East, such as Iraq and the Israeli-Arab conflict. But the Bush administration rejects that approach, accusing Syria of exacerbating the troubles in neighboring Iraq and Lebanon.

Jon Alterman, a Mideast specialist at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, said Bush administration officials may have avoided meeting Muslim Brotherhood members because that could strain relations with the secular Egyptian government, one of the closest U.S. allies in the Middle East.

"The difficulty when it gets to Egypt is that the Brotherhood is not a legal group within Egypt and the U.S. government is wary of violating laws in countries in which it operates," he told The Associated Press on Saturday.

"The larger constraint on our willingness to meet the Brotherhood is the Egyptian government's unease with our government's meeting with the Brotherhood."

Hoyer, who also met with Mubarak during his visit, left Egypt on Friday. A telephone message left with his spokeswoman Saturday was not immediately returned. Calls to el-Katatni also went unanswered Saturday.

The Muslim Brotherhood's parliament bloc Web site said the meetings were not part of an effort to engage the United States.

"The Brotherhood not only has reservations on dialogue with the Americans but rejects the unfair American policy in the region," the Web site said.

Washington has been pressing Mubarak for years to enact reforms as part of a Bush administration campaign to spread democracy in the Mideast. And Rice expressed concern in March that "all voices" were not being heard in deliberations over amending the constitution as part of those reforms.

"There's been a growing sense in Washington over 20 years that Islamic politics are here to stay, and the U.S. interest in promoting democracy around the world means we should be engaging with a growing number of actors," Alterman said.

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Associated Press writers Anna Johnson in Cairo and John Heilprin in Washington contributed to this report.


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1 posted on 04/07/2007 3:53:37 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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Put Pelosi and Hoyer in adjacent cells.

Just a thought. ;-)


2 posted on 04/07/2007 3:54:39 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... BumP'n'Run 'Right-Wing Extremist' since 2001 ... My profile is on FiRe!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Wow, the media sure hid this story.


3 posted on 04/07/2007 3:55:10 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..Doing real on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Image hosted by Photobucket.com RATS Delenda Est...
4 posted on 04/07/2007 3:56:37 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist)
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To: mware
First I heard of it,, they're all home now, with new marching orders. It definitely wasn't publicized like Pelosi's souree.

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The Muslim Brotherhood's parliament bloc Web site said the meetings were not part of an effort to engage the United States.

5 posted on 04/07/2007 3:57:42 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... BumP'n'Run 'Right-Wing Extremist' since 2001 ... My profile is on FiRe!)
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To: NormsRevenge

First I heard of it too. That one went under the radar.


6 posted on 04/07/2007 3:58:58 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..Doing real on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer speaks during a press conference in Washington, DC, February 2007. Democratic lawmakers will push for a deadline for withdrawing US troops from Iraq in a vote that links funds for the war to a pullout by mid-2008.(AFP/File/Jim Watson)


7 posted on 04/07/2007 3:59:12 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... BumP'n'Run 'Right-Wing Extremist' since 2001 ... My profile is on FiRe!)
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Gama: Hey, I thought she was bringing her granddaughter to sell me some Girl Scout cookies.

Other than that, I don't know why she is here. ;-)

United States' Speaker of the House of Representatives Nany Pelosi, left, is accompanied by Portugal's Parliament President Jaime Gama after a visit to S.Bento palace Friday, April 6, 2007 in Lisbon, Portugal. Nancy Pelosi met her counterpart during a one day unofficial visit to Portugal. (AP Photo/Steven Governo)


8 posted on 04/07/2007 4:03:02 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... BumP'n'Run 'Right-Wing Extremist' since 2001 ... My profile is on FiRe!)
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To: NormsRevenge

So Hoyer met with these folks huh.

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/mb.htm
Muslim Brothers
Muslim Brotherhood
al-Ikhwan al-Muslimin
Jama’at al-Ikhwan al-Muslimun
Hizb Al-Ikhwan Al-Muslimoon
al-Ikhwan (”The Brothers”)

“Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur’an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.”—Muslim Brotherhood

The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in 1928 by Hasan al-Banna, a 22-year-old elementary school teacher, as an Islamic revivalist movement following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the subsequent ban of the caliphate system of government that had united the Muslims for hundreds of years. Al-Banna based his ideas that Islam was not only a religious observance, but a comprehensive way of life, on the tenets of Wahhabism, better known today as “Islamism”, and he supplemented the traditional Islamic education for the Society’s male students with jihadia training.

The Brotherhood grew as a popular movement over the next 20 years, encompassing not only religion and education, but also politics, through the Party of the Muslim Brotherhood, Hizb Al-Ikhwan Al-Muslimoon. It blamed the Egyptian government for being passive against “Zionists” and joined the Palestinian side in the war against Israel; and started performing terrorist acts inside of Egypt, which led to a ban on the movement by the Egyptian government. A Muslim Brother assassinated the Prime Minister of Egypt, Mahmud Fahmi Nokrashi, on December 28, 1948. Al-Banna himself was killed by government agents in Cairo in February, 1949.

The Egyptian government legalized the Brotherhood again in 1948, but only as a religious organization; it was banned again in 1954 because it insisted that Egypt be governed under shari’a (Islamic law).

Abdul Munim Abdul Rauf, a Brotherhood activist, attempted to assassinate Egyptian President Nasser in 1954 and was executed, along with five other Brothers. Four thousand Brothers were also arrested, and thousands more fled to Syria, Saudia Arabia, Jordan, and Lebanon.

In 1964, Nasser granted amnesty to the imprisoned Brothers, hoping that their release would weaken interest in the recently formed Arab Socialist Union party; the result was three more assassination attempts by the Brothers on Nasser’s life. The top leaders of the Brotherhood were executed in 1966, and many others were imprisoned.

Nasser’s successor, Anwar-as-Sadat, promised the Brothers that shari’a would be implemented as the Egyptian law and released all of the Brotherhood prisoners; however, the Brothers lost their trust in Sadat when he signed the peace agreement with Israel in 1979; four Brothers assassinated Sadat in September, 1981.

Although officially banned by the Egyptian government since 1954, the Muslim Brothers captured 17 seats in the Egyptian Parliament running as independents; they also hold important offices in professional organizations in Egypt.

Today, a very complex financial network connects the operations of over seventy branches of the Muslim Brothers worldwide. During the Muslim Brothers’ seventy-plus years of existence, there have been cycles of growth, followed by divisions into factions, including clandestine financial networks, and violent jihad groups, such as al-Jihad and al-Gama’at al-Islamiyya in Egypt, HAMAS in Palestine and mujahideen groups in Afghanistan.


9 posted on 04/07/2007 4:04:32 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Muslim Brothers
Muslim Brotherhood
al-Ikhwan al-Muslimin
Jama’at al-Ikhwan al-Muslimun
Hizb Al-Ikhwan Al-Muslimoon
al-Ikhwan (”The Brothers”)

“Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur’an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.”—Muslim Brotherhood

The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in 1928 by Hasan al-Banna, a 22-year-old elementary school teacher, as an Islamic revivalist movement following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the subsequent ban of the caliphate system of government that had united the Muslims for hundreds of years. Al-Banna based his ideas that Islam was not only a religious observance, but a comprehensive way of life, on the tenets of Wahhabism, better known today as “Islamism”, and he supplemented the traditional Islamic education for the Society’s male students with jihadia training........snipped
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/mb.htm


10 posted on 04/07/2007 4:05:44 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: NormsRevenge
"The difficulty when it gets to Egypt is that the Brotherhood is not a legal group within Egypt and the U.S. government is wary of violating laws in countries in which it operates," he told The Associated Press on Saturday.

Yes, that is a sticky wicket to deal with.

11 posted on 04/07/2007 4:06:29 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: NormsRevenge

I would have some questions about the US Ambassador to Egypt if he hosted the head of the Muslim Brotherhood so Steny could meet him.


12 posted on 04/07/2007 4:06:31 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SandRat

you’re quick(er), LOL


13 posted on 04/07/2007 4:06:43 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: NormsRevenge

This is CRAZY!!!

WTF are these people doing???

And then to have the Muslim Brotherhood complain about America’s actions...after meeting Hoyer TWICE????

Yep...he a Pelosi deserve to go to jail.


14 posted on 04/07/2007 4:07:20 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Didn’t this group align themselves with the Nazi’s???


15 posted on 04/07/2007 4:07:33 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..Doing real on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: mware

Yep.


16 posted on 04/07/2007 4:08:19 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

Just damn


17 posted on 04/07/2007 4:08:37 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..Doing real on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: NormsRevenge

What we need is a little war here. That is the only certain way to defeat the bad guys


18 posted on 04/07/2007 4:08:39 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Don't eat Spinich. The spinich growers are against the war and funding our troops)
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To: Mo1; Bahbah; Phsstpok; 4butnomorethan30characters; Knitting A Conundrum; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; ...

PING


19 posted on 04/07/2007 4:09:07 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: NormsRevenge

Might as well meet with bin Laden. What the hell’s the difference? The Bush Administration won’t do sh*t to these traitors.


20 posted on 04/07/2007 4:09:35 PM PDT by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: SandRat

Amazing, isn’t it??


21 posted on 04/07/2007 4:09:40 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: mware
"Wow, the media sure hid this story."

Looks like the makings of some sort of alliance between
the DemonRAT Party and totalitarian Islamic crazies.

22 posted on 04/07/2007 4:10:13 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: Cicero

I agree.


23 posted on 04/07/2007 4:10:23 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: mware

I have had Fox News on all day...I haven’t heard anything about this..


24 posted on 04/07/2007 4:11:36 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: mware

The Pali’s and the Serb/Croat Muslims both aligned themselves with Hitler in WWII sending warriors to be in the Waffen SS as special Kommandos to clean out the Undesirables (Jews) on the Eastern Front.

Steaming yet over twho the DemonRATS?Lefties care to meet with, associate with and care so deeply for???


25 posted on 04/07/2007 4:12:45 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Txsleuth

Nope! They are populated by the America Hating ‘60s hippies.


26 posted on 04/07/2007 4:14:48 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat
KNOW YOUR ENEMY

This is a pretty nasty group the dems met with.

A brief history of the Muslim Brotherhood

Here's how the story began. In the 1920s there was a young Egyptian named [Hassan] Al-Banna. And Al-Banna formed this nationalist group called the Muslim Brotherhood. Al-Banna was a devout admirer of Adolf Hitler and wrote to him frequently. So persistent was he in his admiration of the new Nazi Party that in the 1930s Al-Banna and the Muslim Brotherhood became a secret arm of Nazi Intelligence.

The Arab Nazis had much in common with the new Nazi doctrines: they hated Jews; they hated democracy; and they hated the Western culture. It became the official policy of the Third Reich to secretly develop the Muslim Brotherhood as the "fifth parliament", an army inside Egypt.

The Muslim Brotherhood began to expand in scope and influence during World War II. They even had a Palestinian section headed by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, one of the great bigots of all time. Here, too, was a man...the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was the Muslim Brotherhood representative for Palestine. These were undoubtedly Arab Nazis. The Grand Mufti, for example, went to Germany during the war and helped recruit an international SS division of Arab Nazis. They based it in Croatia and called it the Handzar Muslim Division, but it was to become the core of Hitler's new army of Arab fascists that would conquer the Arabian Peninsula and, from there, on to Africa—grand dreams.

At the end of World War II, the Muslim Brotherhood was wanted for war crimes. Their German Intelligence handlers were captured in Cairo. The whole net was rolled up by the British Secret Service.

27 posted on 04/07/2007 4:14:51 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..Doing real on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: mware

This page is extremely informative re MB’s designs on Germany and Europe:

The Muslim Brotherhood’s Conquest of Europe
http://www.meforum.org/article/687

MB was born of being sore losers after WWI, and the breakup of the Turk/Ottoman empire, which gave us roughly the borders in the ME that we know today......a bit like the Klan after the Civil War, actually....


28 posted on 04/07/2007 4:15:41 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Txsleuth
Me either tx, like I said this one went under the radar. Seeing what sandrat has said and I saw when I goggled them, I know why the main stream media is reluctant to mention it.
29 posted on 04/07/2007 4:16:34 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..Doing real on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: SandRat
During the Muslim Brothers’ seventy-plus years of existence, there have been cycles of growth, followed by divisions into factions, including clandestine financial networks, and violent jihad groups, such as al-Jihad and al-Gama’at al-Islamiyya in Egypt, HAMAS in Palestine and mujahideen groups in Afghanistan.

Funny they fail to mention the fact that this group also included Bin Laden as a teenager in the 70's in Jeddha, Saudia Arabia. Al Quaeda stemmed from this group.

30 posted on 04/07/2007 4:17:25 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: SandRat
Want to bet these idiots didnt know the background of these people.

They really are that ignorant.

31 posted on 04/07/2007 4:17:55 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..Doing real on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: mware

hmmmmmm I guess a call to my Congressional representatives..and the White House is in order.


32 posted on 04/07/2007 4:18:58 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: NormsRevenge
See The Muslim Brotherhood, Nazis and Al-Qaeda by John Loftus, and see who the Democrats are really meeting with.
33 posted on 04/07/2007 4:19:29 PM PDT by Sender ("She is the friendly face of America; where Condi frowns, Nancy smiles." (Syria))
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To: toddlintown

Might as well meet with bin Laden. What the hell’s the difference? The Bush Administration won’t do sh*t to these traitors.


There is no doubt in my mind that if either of these two House Leaders. {Traitors} had the opportunity they woulod gladly meet with Bin laden.

Democrtas = selling us out on the cheap.


34 posted on 04/07/2007 4:19:46 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: NormsRevenge
...then at the home of the U.S. ambassador to Egypt

Okaaaay....

35 posted on 04/07/2007 4:20:13 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Txsleuth

I have had Fox News on all day...I haven’t heard anything about this..

If the true and full story of the MB became widely known, all this ROP crap would fall quickly.....they say “al qaeda” stands for “the base”.........truth is, the base is the MB, their philosophy, goals, tactics, and all of its affiliates wearing a multitude of hats.....


36 posted on 04/07/2007 4:20:34 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: mewzilla

we have bugs there.

probably did too at the other meeting place. :-)

Paging AG Gonzales .. White Courtesy Phone..


37 posted on 04/07/2007 4:21:14 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... BumP'n'Run 'Right-Wing Extremist' since 2001 ... My profile is on FiRe!)
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To: mware
Why should they know it? It would be anti-populist history that they would have should have, been taught in college.

OOPS!!!! I forgot, that couldn't be, the Colleges are controlled by the loonie left, self anointed and faux enlightened, progressives (Socialists) so it never got taught.

38 posted on 04/07/2007 4:22:02 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Txsleuth
Might be a good idea to call Fox News while we are at it.

You just know that given the scolding the dems got from USA Today and the Washington Post, for meeting with syria, this one is going to hurt bigtime.

39 posted on 04/07/2007 4:22:28 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..Doing real on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Muslim Brotherhood

The wellspring of almost all worldwide terrorism we face today

Our congressman meeting with them is beyond disgrace

40 posted on 04/07/2007 4:22:52 PM PDT by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: NormsRevenge
we have bugs there. probably did too at the other meeting place. :-) Paging AG Gonzales .. White Courtesy Phone..

LOL. I was thinking that, too. And hoping it wasn't too much to ask for :)

But wouldn't Hoyer? He's not that dumb, is he? I wonder whose idea it was to meet at the US ambassador's home.

41 posted on 04/07/2007 4:23:35 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: SandRat

Sand.. I dont recall hearing about it in my college history classes. I learned about them from my readings on world war 2.


42 posted on 04/07/2007 4:24:48 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..Doing real on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: mewzilla

I don’t think it’s so much as dumb anymore,, we’re talking liberals , well connected driven liberals.

We’ll have to wait and see if this one gets legs..


43 posted on 04/07/2007 4:24:53 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... BumP'n'Run 'Right-Wing Extremist' since 2001 ... My profile is on FiRe!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Are these Democrat meetings with enemies of the U.S. enouraging attacks on our troops in Iraq?


44 posted on 04/07/2007 4:25:53 PM PDT by abclily
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To: mewzilla

mew, I tell you these idiots dont know the history behind the group, I would be willing to bet a case of Tastycakes on it.


45 posted on 04/07/2007 4:25:59 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..Doing real on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: abclily

Maybe we could have a congressional panel established and look into it. ;-)

Oh wait..

Look who’s involved.. Waxman’s plate is already full.


46 posted on 04/07/2007 4:27:20 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... BumP'n'Run 'Right-Wing Extremist' since 2001 ... My profile is on FiRe!)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

A race to see who is the bigger traitor


47 posted on 04/07/2007 4:27:23 PM PDT by radar101 (Dream Team--Hunter&Thompson)
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To: mware
mew, I tell you these idiots dont know the history behind the group, I would be willing to bet a case of Tastycakes on it.

Democrats’ New Intelligence Chairman Needs a Crash Course on al Qaeda

Sigh. I'd say that's a sure thing.

48 posted on 04/07/2007 4:31:05 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Txsleuth

Not only are the dems trying to make the pres look bad, now they are screwing with our allies, too?


49 posted on 04/07/2007 4:31:48 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: mware
I did, but then my German Hist Prof had been an Oberst Sturmban Fuhrer in the Waffle SS in WWII.
50 posted on 04/07/2007 4:32:24 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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