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Threat To Sarkozy As Suburbs Prepare To Vote (France)
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 4-9-2007 | Henry Samuel - Mantes-La-Jolie

Posted on 04/08/2007 5:46:14 PM PDT by blam

Threat to Sarkozy as suburbs prepare to vote

By Henry Samuel in Mantes-La-Jolie
Last Updated: 1:11am BST 09/04/2007

Election fever is gripping the Val-Fourre housing estate in Mantes-la-Jolie, west of Paris, often listed as one of the most violent in France.

Like many of the country's most troubled suburbs, locals here, who in the past might have failed to vote out of a sense of marginalisation, have been registering to vote in this month's presidential elections in record numbers.

Since the banlieues - suburbs - exploded into riots in autumn 2005 over the death of two teenagers of immigrant origin chased by police, they have been at the heart of French political debate. Many feel the "ethnic suburban vote" could yet swing the election result.

Four polls published over the weekend showed that the Socialist candidate Ségolène Royal had lost yet more ground to the Right-wing frontrunner Nicolas Sarkozy. One on Sunday gave her just 22 per cent in the first round - her lowest score in six months - with Mr Sarkozy gaining two points in a week, on 29.5 per cent.

The centrist UDF candidate François Bayrou remained in third on 19 per cent, with the far-Right Front National leader, Jean-Marie Le Pen, stable on around 14 per cent.

Yet Mr Sarkozy stands to lose the most if the voters of the banlieue turn out in force. The interior minister at the time of the riots, he was criticised for describing the rioting youths as "scum" and taking a hardline approach to policing the areas.

"I will vote for Ségolène to block Sarkozy and because she represents a certain idea of how I see France," said Mr Belhadaoi, 29, a bank security guard of Moroccan origin.

He said Mr Sarkozy had worsened relations between local residents and the police with his repressive measures. "As soon as I take off my suit and tie, I get stopped for identity checks. It's humiliating.

"Everyone works in my family. I have no criminal record. But Mr Sarkozy doesn't refer to people like me. We have to prove that we are good people, it is not presumed."

Mr Sarkozy does have some supporters. Cedric Poirier, who works alongside Mr Belhadaoi, said Mr Sarkozy was right to focus on identity and values and a stronger work ethic.

"When one integrates on a working level, one integrates socially. We live in a culture where profit is a dirty word." Others argued that the French welfare system was too generous and not geared to finding work.

Bernard Kossoko, the co-president of the community radio station Radio Droit de Cité, said: "People expect too much from the state. They are too choosy about jobs. I'm for three strikes and you're out. Perhaps we need Sarkozy for one non-renewable mandate."

The radio's programme director, Saïd Ait-Atman, 31, said there was a lot of interest in Mr Bayrou but that he was unimpressed by Miss Royal. "The Socialists are the first to speak out, but they don't follow through with actions," he said. "People will vote for her here, but only as a tactical vote.

"If Sarkozy is elected there will most likely be trouble in the streets. He spouts on about integration but the vast majority of people here feel integrated and French. Their main concern is just getting a job."

Mr Sarkozy, who is backed by the ruling UMP, has been accused of fishing for far-Right votes by pledging to create a ministry of immigration and national identity.

He is the only leading contender not to have made a campaign visit to the banlieue, for fear of sparking unrest. Even Mr Le Pen has done more, making a surprise trip last Friday to Argenteuil, a suburb where, he mocked, "even our former interior minister does not dare go".

Polls yesterday showed that 42 per cent of voters remain undecided.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: election; france; sarkozy; suburbs
"...two teenagers of immigrant origin ..."

= Muslim

1 posted on 04/08/2007 5:46:16 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Si Se Puede!


2 posted on 04/08/2007 5:49:12 PM PDT by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: blam
If Sarkozy is elected there will most likely be trouble in the streets.

That's a given. The question is whether the unions will be willing to join forces with the Muslims - oh, dear, I shouldn't have said the word - in order to neutralize Sarkozy. When the unions have had enough France has had enough. If they haven't we'll see more of the same.

3 posted on 04/08/2007 5:52:54 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: blam

The Telegraph, supposedly a conservative newspaper, is starting to be a stooge for political correctness.

I guess the Times of London is the only conservative paper in London now?


4 posted on 04/08/2007 6:43:00 PM PDT by DeerfieldObserver
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To: blam
"I will vote for Ségolène to block Sarkozy and because she represents a certain idea of how I see France," said Mr Belhadaoi, 29, a bank security guard of Moroccan origin

Yep, he sees it as a "Future islamic Republic".

5 posted on 04/08/2007 7:02:24 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Billthedrill
If Sarkozy is elected there will most likely be trouble in the streets.

Yeah, like maybe there will be riots that last for months on end with the burning of thousands of cars and stuff like that!

6 posted on 04/08/2007 7:05:53 PM PDT by Smedley
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To: blam

I’ll be sure to have the popcorn ready in the event that he wins. The Yoots will be burning everything in sight.


7 posted on 04/08/2007 7:42:49 PM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: blam
I'll come out and say it if no one else is thinking it...I'm rooting for the socialist/communists on this one. Its to the US's advantage to keep Europe as weak as we possibly can and the only way to do that is to keep them socialist.

Now I know what you're thinking...A weak Europe (ie suicidal welfare-nanny govt) is ripe for the plucking from Muslim fanatics.

I say that its already been plucked...a weak Europe in Muslim hands can harm us less than a stronger one. Sarkozy is better for France and thus, worse for the US. To drive the point home, ask yourself...if he's on the same "right" as Chirac...how much different/worse can Royal really be?
8 posted on 04/08/2007 7:53:56 PM PDT by Live free or die
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To: Live free or die

I don’t think you’ve read much about Sarkozy’s opinion of the United States. He’s actually pretty pro-US.

And I’ll disagree about the benefits of ceding a single inch of European soil to Muslim extremists. Given an inch...


9 posted on 04/08/2007 8:14:11 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: lesser_satan

They should make a rule that anyone caught and convicted of rioting gets the boot out of the country.. Oh...silly me.. it’s Wussie France...


10 posted on 04/08/2007 8:17:35 PM PDT by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: CheyennePress
Quite the contrary: I know of the falling out between the two but please lets remember...a Frenchman is a Frenchman first and foremost. He will be just another disgraceful Gaulist.

In terms of giving territory up to the Muzzies why not read about the neighborhoods of Paris that the police refuse to enter?
11 posted on 04/08/2007 8:18:07 PM PDT by Live free or die
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To: Live free or die

Oh, I know about those territories. I still think an authoritarian force in French politics could sweep away some of that, however.


12 posted on 04/08/2007 8:19:33 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: Billthedrill

The unions will, as they always do, think about themselves first. Actually, they don’t have a horse in this race. Their only concern is keeping workers (that is to say non-union-dues-paying workers) out of the workforce.

Most will vote Royal, but then they would vote Socialist regardless of the alternative candidate.


13 posted on 04/08/2007 8:23:13 PM PDT by Philistone (Your existence as a non-believer offends the Prophet(MPBUH).)
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To: blam

just remember the words the esteemed jean-paul sartre in the intro of “the wretched of the earth”

to the effect that the dark-skinned, oppressed people have a right to kill whites.


14 posted on 04/08/2007 8:27:27 PM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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To: Billthedrill
"The question is whether the unions will be willing to join forces with the Muslims."

Let the US Democrats be your guide.

15 posted on 04/08/2007 8:31:37 PM PDT by blam
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To: Live free or die
"I say that its already been plucked...a weak Europe in Muslim hands can harm us less than a stronger one. Sarkozy is better for France and thus, worse for the US. To drive the point home, ask yourself...if he's on the same "right" as Chirac...how much different/worse can Royal really be? "

Sarko is not at all the same as Chirac, even though Chirac was elected from the UMP. Sarko and friends staged a political coup and seized control of the party and basically told Chirac he could pack up and leave. ----Which Chirac has done, and is now backing Bayrou.

Sarkozy has repatedly criticized Chirac for his anti-American and anti-Israel attitudes.

16 posted on 04/08/2007 8:53:56 PM PDT by cookcounty (No journalist ever won a prize for reporting facts. --Telling big stories? Now that's a winner.)
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To: Live free or die
"Val-Fourre housing estate" in Mantes-la-Jolie = "The Projects"

"neighborhoods of Paris that the police refuse to enter?" = Watts

yitbos

17 posted on 04/08/2007 9:43:51 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: cookcounty
"Which Chirac has done, and is now backing Bayrou. "

Woah !! Mrs. Chirac appeared with the Sark and endorsed him, a gesture of unspoken support by Mr. Chirac.

yitbos

18 posted on 04/08/2007 9:52:07 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: cookcounty
FRENCH ELECTION UPDATE :: Chirac's wife supports Sarkozy at campaign rally
19 posted on 04/08/2007 9:54:26 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: blam

The French socialists apparently work the same way the American socialists (Democrats) work - - register as many homeless, bums, parasites, losers, and minority “perma-victims” as possible, dead or alive, even if you have to ply them with cheap wine and cigarettes.


20 posted on 04/08/2007 10:08:03 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: bruinbirdman
"Jacques Chirac has given Sarkozy his backing as he is their party's candidate. But the two have been bitter rivals since Sarkozy backed a former Chirac ally for president in 1995. ---The Scotsman.

I stand corrected, thank you.

21 posted on 04/08/2007 10:22:06 PM PDT by cookcounty (No journalist ever won a prize for reporting facts. --Telling big stories? Now that's a winner.)
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To: Lancey Howard
"French socialists apparently work the same way the American socialists "

In particular, Clinton sent his campaign warroom honchos to UK (elected Blair,1997), and Israel (elected Ehud Barak,1999) to teach them how it's done. I don't think the Toon needed to teach the frogs how to elect socialists.

yitbos

22 posted on 04/08/2007 10:27:23 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: cookcounty

“Which Chirac has done, and is now backing Bayrou”

Chirac is most certainly not backing Bayrou. He has come out in support of Sarko. Bernadette Chirac has appeared prominently with Sarko at huge rallies. She is a popular figure in France, and as First Lady, represents her husband.


23 posted on 04/08/2007 11:59:10 PM PDT by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO "We are going to take things away from you for the Common Good")
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