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Why So Gloomy? [MIT Scientist: 'Alarm over climate change is based on ignorance]
Newsweek International via Drudge ^ | 4/8/07 | Richard S. Lindzen

Posted on 04/08/2007 7:13:19 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia

By Richard S. Lindzen Newsweek International April 16, 2007 issue - Judging from the media in recent months, the debate over global warming is now over. There has been a net warming of the earth over the last century and a half, and our greenhouse gas emissions are contributing at some level. Both of these statements are almost certainly true. What of it? Recently many people have said that the earth is facing a crisis requiring urgent action. This statement has nothing to do with science. There is no compelling evidence that the warming trend we've seen will amount to anything close to catastrophe. What most commentators—and many scientists—seem to miss is that the only thing we can say with certainly about climate is that it changes. The earth is always warming or cooling by as much as a few tenths of a degree a year; periods of constant average temperatures are rare. Looking back on the earth's climate history, it's apparent that there's no such thing as an optimal temperature—a climate at which everything is just right. The current alarm rests on the false assumption not only that we live in a perfect world, temperaturewise, but also that our warming forecasts for the year 2040 are somehow more reliable than the weatherman's forecast for next week.

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KEYWORDS: convenientfiction; convenientlie; fraud; globalwarming; gore
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1 posted on 04/08/2007 7:13:22 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

bump for tomorrow.


2 posted on 04/08/2007 7:14:47 PM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

I didn’t go to MIT but I could have told you that......


3 posted on 04/08/2007 7:14:52 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

He’ll be labeled a “heretic” by the radical Left within a week.


4 posted on 04/08/2007 7:15:42 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

speaking trufe to powah.


5 posted on 04/08/2007 7:16:17 PM PDT by Ieatfrijoles (Incinerate Riyadh Now.(Request shot splash))
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
Marvelously honest statement. Will anyone in the MSM read it and pay attention? [Crickets chirping.]

Congressman Billybob

Latest article: "From Seventy Springs a Score"

6 posted on 04/08/2007 7:19:53 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Please get involved: www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Good article. I’m surprised it came from Newsweek.


7 posted on 04/08/2007 7:22:17 PM PDT by ChessExpert (Mohamed was not a moderate Muslim)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Ignorance, thy name is Gore.


8 posted on 04/08/2007 7:23:19 PM PDT by Obadiah (Republicans - the battered wives of Democrats.)
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To: Southack

9 posted on 04/08/2007 7:23:26 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Southack

That was my first thought. I wondered how long it would be before they go after him like a puritan after a heretic.


10 posted on 04/08/2007 7:23:41 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Glad to hear someone saying that...Climate is, and always has been, dynamic.


11 posted on 04/08/2007 7:23:58 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Can this article be “Digged”?


12 posted on 04/08/2007 7:25:48 PM PDT by Obadiah (Republicans - the battered wives of Democrats.)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
I believe if it wasn’t for global warming, I might have froze to death this past week.
13 posted on 04/08/2007 7:26:49 PM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
I didn’t go to MIT but I could have told you that......

The scary thing is there are so few people with credentials who are willing to tell it like it is.

14 posted on 04/08/2007 7:26:56 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right

Far too many people now with a financial stake in GW.


15 posted on 04/08/2007 7:29:22 PM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: BallyBill

Cold snap breaks region's record lows [Charlotte, NC sees coldest April day in history...]

16 posted on 04/08/2007 7:29:24 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Very surprising to see this in Newsweak. I thought the official game plan was to run with global warming at least up until the 2008 election.

This must have somehow slipped through while Evans was out of town.


17 posted on 04/08/2007 7:40:03 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Southack

Liberals don’t understand that the universe operates in a cyclical pattern. Nothing stays at a constant, it ebbs and flows. Weather, health, the economy, luck etc all fluctuate, eventually returning to equilibrium in the long run. But they seem to have no long term vision, much like 12 year olds.


18 posted on 04/08/2007 7:40:15 PM PDT by MiltonFriedmanFan
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To: I see my hands

LOL! I’ll pass this one along.


19 posted on 04/08/2007 7:40:52 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

I heard North Carolina just had the coldest temperature set since 1923. Does this mean Al Gore and his fanatical liberal zombie minions will have to change tactics and switch back to screaming about global cooling?


20 posted on 04/08/2007 7:42:52 PM PDT by Screamname (Gorebull warming, the latest hoax by fat headed liberals who want attention.)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr! We need temps back to normal here in Kansas....we need a wheat crop!


21 posted on 04/08/2007 7:44:30 PM PDT by janee (E)
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To: Always Right

“The scary thing is there are so few people with credentials who are willing to tell it like it is.”

Part of the problem is that the Wrong (fka the Left) has control of academia, so increasingly only more Wrong people are hired by colleges to teach and do research.


22 posted on 04/08/2007 7:46:07 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: MiltonFriedmanFan

What I`d like to know is if Al Gore can explain to me how an atmosphere like earth that contains only .0383% CO2 can possibly have a greenhouse effect like Venus which has an atmosphere of 96% CO2.

I mean we`ve had those cars and industrial plants burning and firing up constantly for over a 100 years and we still can`t get that number up to even .05%!!! Maybe we should burn even more coal and set off a few nukes and see if we can help it along! This is embarrassing, Venus is showing us up!


23 posted on 04/08/2007 7:48:46 PM PDT by Screamname (Gorebull warming, the latest hoax by fat headed liberals who want attention.)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Uh oh, hope he wasn’t up for tenure....one doesn’t go against ‘Mother Liberal’ and not live to regret it.


24 posted on 04/08/2007 7:49:08 PM PDT by hardworking (The Clintoons: Giving you the opportunity to again explain 'oral sex' to the kiddies.)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia; OKSooner; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; gruffwolf; ...

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25 posted on 04/08/2007 7:52:59 PM PDT by honolulugal
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

But you know,

algore did sleep in a holiday inn last night.


26 posted on 04/08/2007 7:55:37 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
"There has been a net warming of the earth over the last century and a half, and our greenhouse gas emissions are contributing at some level."

Leading off an article with an untrue statement, and doubling it with 2 untrue statements makes the rest of the article and what ever conclusions it reaches based on those statements in complete error.

The earth has still not warmed back up to what it was previous to the mini ice age, and there is absolutely ZERO evidence there is even such a thing as a "green house gas", and that humans are emitting any amount of them.

So called UN "scientists" are completely ignoring the FACT that in recent history, within 4,500 years or so, the entire north pole and all the land within the artic circle was once a lush tropical enviroment, a fact proven by the huge amount of animal carcasses; elephants, rino's, hippo's, tigers, wolf, fox etc. discovered throughout the region in that last century, some so "fresh" the meat was still edible, and being eaten by the local animals as it emerged from the ice.

These yet to be explained, and quietly ignored discoveries makes the theory developed by so called ice core samples, and the dating estimates atributed to them obviously in error, making all the "global warming" doom and gloom warnings seem what they are, scare tactics with absolutely no sound science to back them up.

These scare stories also ignore more recent history when Greenland was ice free, which also throws ice core samples and the carbon dates assigned to the depths they were recoveresd from in error.

Finally, many of these so called "scientists" working for the UN's Global government warming department believe Mohammad was a prophet, and that a moon god named "Allah" wrote a koran and gave it to him, instructing him to rape women, rape a 6 year old, and murder everyone who doesn't accept Islam.

27 posted on 04/08/2007 7:58:15 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Southack

>>He’ll be labeled a “heretic” by the radical Left within a week.

He already has been. He has made other statements that don’t support massive anthropogenic global warming.


28 posted on 04/08/2007 8:09:49 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
" Cold snap breaks region's record lows"

And a return to "normal" averages is nowhere in sight. The last 2 weeks now, have been on average 15f BELOW normal. So much for the alarmists claim of ealier springs.

I swear, the newspeople must not have any windows in the newsroom, and they never go outside when they show "global warming" scare stories.

They sort of shot themselves in the foot when they tried to make a "global warming will make maple syrop extinct" story, and the farmer showed that the temperatures has been the same at each spring harvest time for the past 100 years, and that the beginning of the harvest always fluctuates by a week or two each year.

When it comes to hard facts and real records, "global warming" alarmists are hard pressed to show any. All they can come up with, and keep on falling back on is the same old faulty computer model that they started out with.

29 posted on 04/08/2007 8:10:04 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: pgkdan
bump for tomorrow.

Ditto.

30 posted on 04/08/2007 8:15:23 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Liberal when I married her.)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
What most commentators—and many scientists—seem to miss is that the only thing we can say with certainly about climate is that it changes.

"No changes are permanent/but change is." - Rush, "Tom Sawyer"

Guess they won't be on the Gore Tour (and to think that circa 1984, The Gores were the blood enemies of the music industry).

31 posted on 04/08/2007 8:28:36 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (To Henry Waxman and Rosie O'Donnell: Happy Year of the Pig!)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

If you think they are upset about global warming, imagine how concerned they would be about global cooling.


32 posted on 04/08/2007 8:36:28 PM PDT by fini
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To: Screamname

Gore would, without anybody knowing it,have to put a thick sulfuric acid cloud around the earth and say I told you so.
Only the stupid would not to notice and throw money at his feet howling save me, save me.


33 posted on 04/08/2007 8:36:51 PM PDT by steveab
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To: Southack
"He’ll be labeled a “heretic” by the radical Left within a week."

You would think they would want good news. You would think it would be a comfort to find out it is not as bad as they have been told. But it's just pride now. They don't want to admit they've been foolish. So they just dig their heels in and turn a deaf ear to what would actually be a comfort to them if they had good sense.

34 posted on 04/08/2007 8:39:31 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Nonsense in the intellect draws evil after it." C.S. Lewis)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Climate change is just another liberal scheme to raise taxes on the developed nations. Keep repeating ad infinitem.


35 posted on 04/08/2007 8:42:31 PM PDT by rbg81 (1)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Bump para manana.


36 posted on 04/08/2007 8:42:54 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Reminder bump! ;-)


37 posted on 04/08/2007 8:45:52 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here. ;-)
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To: Para-Ord.45
algore did sleep in a holiday inn last night.

Who sang him to sleep, d'ya know?

"Look for the union label...."

38 posted on 04/08/2007 8:45:53 PM PDT by thulldud ("Para inglés, oprima el dos.")
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

mit ping


39 posted on 04/08/2007 8:54:19 PM PDT by ocr1
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To: I see my hands
The $64,000 question is, "Can you see Al's hands?"

Our Documentarist, who art in Hollywood, blessed be thy name;
Thy Green Kingdom come; thy Economic Sacrifices be done,
In the Developed World, as they won’t be in the Third World:
Lead us not into Evil Consumption, but deliver us from Pollution.
Give us this day, our daily locally sustainable organic soy,
And forgive us our stomach growling. even as we forgive your gluttony,
For Thine is the SUV, the Jets, and the Carbon Credits forever. Amen

Saint Al of the Holy Screed

40 posted on 04/08/2007 8:58:51 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: janee
We need temps back to normal here in Kansas....we need a wheat crop!

Don't worry about it; we can buy all the wheat & wheat gluten we need from China.

I understand they'll also sell us inexpensive dialysis machines, too.

41 posted on 04/08/2007 9:02:34 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
New Hampshire Flag - "Live Free Or Die"Hey Nathan -

First, I suggest you read the article carefully and in its entirety. Second, I suggest that you do a little research on just who Dr. Lindzen is. To give you a starting point, he will be found in the M.I.T. directory as an Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science. For 20 years, he has been standing up to the "Flat Earth Society" charlatans like Ozone Al with reasoned and science-based arguments.

Your rant does our side no good, as you seem to confuse Dr. Lindzen with the U.N. and the Islamists all in one incoherent blast. I can assure you that Dr. Lindzen is beholden to neither. Dr. Lindzen is a man of science and is not swayed by any political agenda. I also think he would be outraged by your comments on Islamist influence, as much of his family was killed in the Holocaust.

It is you who is wrong about greenhouse gasses; they are very real and water vapor is the most important of them. No atmospheric scientist denies what can be objectively proven. What is at issue is how much effect these gasses really have and the exact mechanisms of their behaviors. The Ozone Al camp uses a simplistic model of an exquisitely complex three-dimensional fluid dynamic system, while Dr. Lindzen has studied the problem in considerably more detail. I have read several of his technical papers and I assure you that he probably has more knowledge on this subject than any other human on the planet.

Finally, I just can't resist taking a cheap shot worthy of your ad hominem attack. You really need to go back the high school and learn the proper use of the apostrophe.

Just for the record, I do have an MIT education and I regard Dr. Lindzen as one of the foremost authorities in the current discussion about "global warming". He is very much an ally in this fight and his credentials are impeccable.

42 posted on 04/08/2007 9:05:10 PM PDT by Old Airplane Driver (Live Free or Die)
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To: Southack
He’ll be labeled a “heretic” by the radical Left within a week.

On the HIQ boards Lindzen is being referred to as the anti-Gore and called a sell out to big oil and the Republicans, this has been going on for months.

43 posted on 04/08/2007 9:10:56 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: Old Airplane Driver
I’ll laugh when we find out how algore will try to marginalize this guy.
44 posted on 04/08/2007 9:12:26 PM PDT by miliantnutcase ("If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it." -ichabod1)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

bump for later


45 posted on 04/08/2007 9:12:58 PM PDT by GOPJ (Good judgment's often the child of bad judgment.)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

MIT hotshots have been saying this for 20 years. The hard left continues to pretend it ain’t so. Morons : )


46 posted on 04/08/2007 9:15:01 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
Researchers have been unable to explain this discrepancy.

No problem. They'll create consensus.

47 posted on 04/08/2007 9:15:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (For Democrats; victory in Iraq is not an option!)
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To: pgkdan
bump for tomorrow.

Read it now. There may not be a tomorrow. ; )

48 posted on 04/08/2007 9:19:26 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Ŝ)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

There has been stuff released on CNN... Gore climaxed.... and he’s shooting blanks.


49 posted on 04/08/2007 9:20:52 PM PDT by Porterville (All hail the Prophet Gore, an ass dressed in a lion's skin)
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To: Nathan Zachary
...the FACT that in recent history, within 4,500 years or so, the entire north pole and all the land within the artic circle was once a lush tropical enviroment, a fact proven by the huge amount of animal carcasses; elephants, rino's, hippo's, tigers, wolf, fox etc. discovered throughout the region in that last century...

Source please.

50 posted on 04/08/2007 9:23:31 PM PDT by TigersEye (For Democrats; victory in Iraq is not an option!)
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