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Pelosi's Proposition: Bush is the Problem
RealClearPolitics ^ | Michael Barone

Posted on 04/09/2007 6:36:05 AM PDT by rob21

"We came in friendship, hope, and determined that the road to Damascus is a road to peace," Speaker Nancy Pelosi declared after her visit to Syria and her meeting with its hereditary dictator Bashir Assad last week. "We expressed our interest in using our good offices in promoting peace between Israel and Syria."

The woman second in line for the presidency (after Vice President Dick Cheney) seemed to believe she was on a Henry Kissinger-like shuttle diplomacy mission from Jerusalem to Damascus.

But Henry Kissinger she ain't. Pelosi said she was delivering a message from Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that "Israel was ready to engage in peace talks" with Syria. A seeming breakthrough. Not so, said a statement speedily issued by Olmert's office. It said that Olmert had not made "any change in the policies of Israel."

Pelosi said Assad indicated he was ready to "resume the peace process." That wasn't the impression other members of Congress took away from their meeting with him a few days earlier. Syria under Assad pere et fils has steadfastly refused to make peace with Israel, despite diplomatic efforts considerably more assiduous than Pelosi is in a position to undertake. Bill Clinton's first secretary of state, Warren Christopher, traveled the road to Damascus to meet with the elder Assad 22 times. End product: nada.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: burqagirl; dhimmicrats; islamophiles; islamophilia; muhammadsminions; nancypelosi; pelosi; prosecutepelosi; syria
I really hope that the House Republicans decide to take action against her. You can help make that happen by writing to your representative. http://www.house.gov/writerep/
1 posted on 04/09/2007 6:36:06 AM PDT by rob21
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To: rob21
Pelosi has presumed the Presidency of a de facto Shadow Government in the United States. This is dangerous.
2 posted on 04/09/2007 6:39:05 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Someone who is smart but not enough to become wise is an idiot savant.)
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To: rob21

I live in Tennessee, where my rep is a Dem, and both of my senators are mealy mouth weak sisters.


3 posted on 04/09/2007 6:40:03 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (President Fred Thompson will finally give the University of Memphis the respect that it is due!)
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To: rob21

The sweetest words I can imagine hearing are, “Madame Speaker, you are under arrest for violating the Logan Act”.


4 posted on 04/09/2007 6:40:44 AM PDT by scooter2 (The greatest threat to the security of the United States is the Democratic Party.)
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To: rob21

Dingbat alert.

Dingbat Pelosi continues her march through fantasy land.


5 posted on 04/09/2007 6:41:29 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: rob21

She can think Bush is the problem. That’s her perogative.

The power of the presidency is not.


6 posted on 04/09/2007 6:41:55 AM PDT by zendari
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To: Savage Beast

“Pelosi has presumed the Presidency of a de facto Shadow Government>”

Bush can crush this by the power of the Logan Act. Madame Speaker you are under arrest for treason.


7 posted on 04/09/2007 6:42:46 AM PDT by DarthVader (Conservatives aren't always right , but Liberals are almost always wrong.)
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To: mariabush

Well send an email anyway. It can’t hurt to try!


8 posted on 04/09/2007 6:43:00 AM PDT by rob21 (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: rob21
“Pelosi’s Proposition: Bush is the Problem”

President Bush is the problem that is blocking communism, socialism, increased welfare funds, raiding the Treasury to fund leftist global warming scams, sharia law and dims that are traitors!

PROSECUTE peloser using the L O G A N***A C T ! ! !

LLS

9 posted on 04/09/2007 6:44:29 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: rob21

See now, I would’ve said that SHE’S the problem.


10 posted on 04/09/2007 6:46:53 AM PDT by seanmerc
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To: rob21

General Pelosi is a few fries short of a happy meal.


11 posted on 04/09/2007 6:49:00 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Giuliani: A strict constructionist judge can come to either conclusion about Roe against Wade.)
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To: rob21
the road to Damascus is a road to peace

second-in-line, huh?
12 posted on 04/09/2007 6:49:43 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: rob21

What she did was a violation of the Logan Act along with Article 2 Section 2 of the constitution. I am sure that she will be prosecuted for this when hell freezes over.


13 posted on 04/09/2007 6:52:14 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: rob21

What she did was a violation of the Logan Act along with Article 2 Section 2 of the constitution. I am sure that she will be prosecuted for this when hell freezes over.


14 posted on 04/09/2007 6:52:29 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: rob21
EVEN IF she would be free to conduct such a mission, EVEN IF she knew what she was talking about, EVEN IF she were sincere..... Negotiating by definition, means speaking for both sides without bias.....

She flunked the basic qualifiers all the way around....!!!

I think that her trip is not at all like shuttle diplomacy but really more like the Gong Show... Where is the guy with the giant hook to pull her off frame???

15 posted on 04/09/2007 6:54:40 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else". Lucius Septimus Serverus)
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To: rob21

The Democrats need to reign in Pelosi before she does permanent damage to the position of the Speaker of the House and the Office of the President. Just have them ask themselves how they would have reacted in the same case if the Speaker was named “Gingrich” and the President was named “Clinton”.


16 posted on 04/09/2007 6:58:39 AM PDT by kevkrom (Al Gore is to Global Warming as L. Ron Hubbard is to Scientology)
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To: rob21
So Nancy has made herself co counsel huh. She would make the Romans proud. But as an American she makes me want to puke.
17 posted on 04/09/2007 7:00:00 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: rob21
"... and determined that the road to Damascus is a road to peace," Speaker Nancy Pelosi declared after her visit to Syria...

This could be true, if you're traveling the road in an armor column.

18 posted on 04/09/2007 7:00:18 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: rob21

From this moment on, I have officially decided to ignore anything that displays the name “Pelosi”.

I think that I may have caught PDS, Pelosi Derangement Syndrome.


19 posted on 04/09/2007 7:01:42 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (The United States of America is the only country strong enough to go it alone.)
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To: rob21
I would love to see her prosecuted or, for that matter, simply charged for violating the Logan Act. Help my understanding, if she is facing some sort of investigation, regardless of the outcome, she has to step down, right?

The problem with that is, the dims may get someone to replace her who is truly effective and not quite as loony as SanFranNan. It's better to have her making an ass of herself for the world to see. She is proving on a daily basis why, in a dangerous world, liberal dims are not ready for prime time when it comes to national security.

20 posted on 04/09/2007 7:01:53 AM PDT by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: rob21

Message sent to my Representative


21 posted on 04/09/2007 7:02:26 AM PDT by roaddog727 (BullS##t does not get bridges built)
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To: GBA
Help my understanding, if she is facing some sort of investigation, regardless of the outcome, she has to step down, right?

No, I'm afraid you're out of step with the times. That law applies only to Republicans. I'm not kidding.

22 posted on 04/09/2007 7:05:08 AM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: SMARTY

I found out yesterday that they think we are not at war unless they say we are. So, they can just ignore what our enemies do and ban the term WOT. It is all just propaganda, anyway.


23 posted on 04/09/2007 7:05:17 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: rob21
I had a girlfriend like Nancy once; always heard things that were never said. She could construct an entire minds-eye situation out of one sentence...
24 posted on 04/09/2007 7:06:11 AM PDT by devane617 (Let's take back our country -- get a job in the MSM, or education system. We need you.)
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To: GBA
Help my understanding, if she is facing some sort of investigation, regardless of the outcome, she has to step down, right?

In the House and the Senate, the Dems make their own rules and the Pubbies make their own rules. I think that you are referring to what happened to Delay. He had to step down because the Republicans included the stepping down verbage in their rules. The Dems did not nor will they ever.
25 posted on 04/09/2007 7:07:51 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (The United States of America is the only country strong enough to go it alone.)
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To: Savage Beast
Pelosi has presumed the Presidency of a de facto Shadow Government in the United States. This is dangerous.

..And look for her to rule on all the outstanding cases before the Supreme Court sometime this week...

26 posted on 04/09/2007 7:08:35 AM PDT by Wil H
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To: GBA

“Help my understanding, if she is facing some sort of investigation, regardless of the outcome, she has to step down, right?”

Unfortunately, she won’t HAVE to step down. And considering how arrogant she is, she will try to remain Speaker for as long as she can. With that said, it would funny to see her under investigation for committing a felony, desperately trying to keep her job. “You can’t do this me... I’m, I’m powerful....”


27 posted on 04/09/2007 7:11:02 AM PDT by rob21 (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: roaddog727
Message sent to my Representative

I'm not going to bother. Anything I send to my rep (Van Hollen D-MD) will be replied to with a barely re-written press release from Pelosi's office anyway.

28 posted on 04/09/2007 7:12:51 AM PDT by kevkrom (Al Gore is to Global Warming as L. Ron Hubbard is to Scientology)
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To: rob21

The only thing Bush is a problem about, Nancy, is leniency for illegals which you and your followers agree with so what are you babbling about?


29 posted on 04/09/2007 7:13:04 AM PDT by Let's Roll ("the left is rearranging the beach to make sure the tsunami comes in as unimpeded as possible." -)
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To: rob21
Bill Clinton's first secretary of state, Warren Christopher, traveled the road to Damascus to meet with the elder Assad 22 times. End product: nada.

He and pelowski must both have had some kind of a St.Paul's road to Damascus' experience, but just in the opposite of what Paul experienced!!!

30 posted on 04/09/2007 7:17:34 AM PDT by danamco
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To: SMARTY
A tiny little fish hook in the lip, attached to a line that’s attached to a rod and reel, would be the proper method for reeling in this crappie.
31 posted on 04/09/2007 7:29:04 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Nancy: a fool by birth-a menace by choice .)
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To: rob21

Anyone hear that shrill, hysterical woman spinning and spinning for Miss Nancy this a.m. on Fox & Friends? Claimed it was perfectly fine because Newt did it.


32 posted on 04/09/2007 7:54:32 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Miss Didi

Thank God I missed that.


33 posted on 04/09/2007 8:12:05 AM PDT by rob21 (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: kevkrom
The Democrats need to reign in Pelosi before she does permanent damage to the position of the Speaker of the House and the Office of the President.

I think the real 'power' amoung congressional (House) democrats is Steny Hoyer. When Madame Pelosi was forced to accept Hoyer as majority leader (over her personal fave, John Murtha) it has been clear that she is there to preside over the House and nothing more. She obviously didn't get the memo that she's just a figure head -- there to attract dimwit votes or -- in event things don't go well -- to take the fall for the Dems.

I personally think she'll be out as Speaker in January 2009 whichever way the election goes.

34 posted on 04/09/2007 8:20:50 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: DarthVader
Bush can crush this by the power of the Logan Act. Madame Speaker you are under arrest for treason.

While he's at it he can charge the Rino's that went to Syria with the same charge. That way, it looks like he is being "bi-partisan".

35 posted on 04/09/2007 11:33:18 AM PDT by Mogollon
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To: DarthVader
"Bush can crush this by the power of the Logan Act. Madame Speaker you are under arrest for treason."

The Democrats would circle the wagons. Their Propaganda Machine (the "Mainstream Newsmedia") would not let up. "Everybody does it." "It's not really illegal." "Private morality has nothing to do with public performance." "Blah! Blah! Blah!"

Don't forget, many of them contend (and might even believe) that Bush stole the election, is not a ligitimate President, and Blah! Blah! Blah!

Pelosi's prsumption is very dangerous!

36 posted on 04/09/2007 5:23:38 PM PDT by Savage Beast (Someone who is smart but not enough to become wise is an idiot savant.)
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To: rob21

“Text of the Logan Act
§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).”

“In United States v. Curtiss-Wright Export Corp. (1936), however, Justice Sutherland wrote in the majority opinion: “[T]he President alone has the power to speak or listen as a representative of the nation. He makes treaties with the advice and consent of the Senate; but he alone negotiates. Into the field of negotiation the Senate cannot intrude, and Congress itself is powerless to invade it.” Sutherland also notes in his opinion the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations report to the Senate of February 15, 1816:

The President is the constitutional representative of the United States with regard to foreign nations. He manages our concerns with foreign nations, and must necessarily be most competent to determine when, how, and upon what subjects negotiation may be urged with the greatest prospect of success. For his conduct, he is responsible to the Constitution.”

This is taken from an entry at Wikipedia...not always a reliable resource, but in this instance it sums up up fairly well. The information is sourced as follows:

“George Sutherland (December 21, 1936). United States v. Curtiss-Wright Export Corp. (No. 98). Cornell Law School.”

The issue at hand is can a member of congress violate this act? If wikipedia is to be believed the legal road to charging a member of congress with a violation of the logan Act is very difficult.

“In 1975, Senators John Sparkman and George McGovern were accused of violating the Logan Act when they traveled to Cuba and met with officials there. In considering that case, the U.S. Department of State concluded:

The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba , was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country. Senator McGovern’s report of his discussions with Cuban officials states: “I made it clear that I had no authority to negotiate on behalf of the United States — that I had come to listen and learn....” (Cuban Realities: May 1975, 94th Cong., 1st Sess., August 1975). Senator Sparkman’s contacts with Cuban officials were conducted on a similar basis. The specific issues raised by the Senators (e.g., the Southern Airways case; Luis Tiant’s desire to have his parents visit the United States) would, in any event, appear to fall within the second paragraph of Section 953. Accordingly, the Department does not consider the activities of Senators Sparkman and McGovern to be inconsistent with the stipulations of Section 953.”

Wikipedia source: ^ DIGEST OF UNITED STATES PRACTICE IN INTERNATIONAL LAW 1975, p. 750

Any lawyers put there care to comment?


37 posted on 04/09/2007 5:36:48 PM PDT by GLH3IL (This so called 're-deployment' is really a vote catching program. General Patton - 1944)
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