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The Capitulation of Great Britain
April 9 2007 | jveritas

Posted on 04/09/2007 8:44:15 AM PDT by jveritas

It was a shock for many of us to see the incredible impotence and weakness of the British during the latest hostage crisis when the Iranian terrorist regime illegally captured 15 British sailors for almost two weeks.

The terrorist mullahs in Tehran declared war against the British by taking their sailors and marines hostages but the British government ignored this and did not even want to call the hostages “hostages” for fear of escalating the situation. From the vast and rich vocabulary of the English language, the British officials came up with the meekest of words to condemn Iran act of war. The British prime minister and his foreign affairs minister “really scared” Ahmadinajad and Khamenei with such powerful and frightening words like “Inappropriate”, ‘Wrong”, and “Uncalled for” to describe Iran aggression against them. Well we are all glad that British kept their cool even in the use of language (extreme sarcasm). So impotent and pathetic were the British that they went to UN to get a statement to condemn Iran actions in the strongest term but they did not even get this from the most corrupted global organization.

During the few weeks Falkland islands war between Britain and Argentina, the British lost 255 troops to take back the islands from the Argentine aggressors, a loss that it is more than they lost in four years during the Iraq war, but this was then during Marguerite Tatcher time and this is now during Tony Blair time. Now it is the time of Great Britain Capitulation for a 7th century Islamic terrorist regime. The current British Navy rules of engagement in the Persian Gulf, the most hostile maritime region in the world, can be summarized as follow: “Do not fire at Iran navy even if Iran attacks our Navy because we are not officially at war with Iran”. May be the terrorist mullahs in Tehran can order the destruction of the whole British navy in the Gulf and get away with it as long as they do not “officially declare war” on Britain because it seems from her latest that Britain will not declare war unless Khamenei and Ahmadinajad officially and clearly say the following “We are at War with Great Britain”.

Even more shameless and embarrassing acts have been those performed by the so called 15 British Marines who were taken hostages. Many of us want to sympathize with their ordeal just from human point of view but those folks have dishonored and disgraced their military uniform and status by being so friendly and undignified when dealing with their terrorist captors, appearing with Ahmadinajad and giving praise to him as if he was the incarnation of Winston Churchill. The shameful 15 are now selling their stories to the media, they were not only cowards but now they are profiteering from their cowardliness.

The more unfortunate part in all of this is that this is not just a weak and cowardly behavior by the British government but it seems it is more like the decease of the “French Surrender” has also inflicted the British people as well as the whole of Europe. It was in July/7/2005 that the British people made it clear that they were not willing to fight islamic terrorism. The terrorist attacks in London on that day were an act of war by the global islamic terror movement against Britain, but the British people and government refused to consider it as such because it will entail fighting and providing more sacrifice to win this historic struggle. The British people and government had a shockingly cold reaction to those terrible attacks. They have treated the act of war on 7/7/2005 as just a security incident in the “Tube”.

There is only one cnation left on this planet to defend the world from islamic terrorism and that this the United States of America. I think President Bush may have realized by now that when the time will come to forcefully deal with the ultimate regime of terror, the islamic terrorist regime in Tehran, we are going to do it alone, we have no real allies left who are willing to fight for their freedom and their way of life, it is up to the USA to preserve it for us and the rest of the world.


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1 posted on 04/09/2007 8:44:16 AM PDT by jveritas
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To: jveritas

Great piece, JV. And your conclusions seem sadly accurate. We’re on our own.


2 posted on 04/09/2007 8:46:31 AM PDT by karnage
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To: karnage

Yes we are on our own and may be it is better to be this way. Of course we need to fight our our defeatists and traitors in our midst who are also willing to capitulate and surrender.


3 posted on 04/09/2007 8:51:04 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas
Amen brother! We are alone, although I think we still have the Aussies and some Eastern Block countries. And we must stand strong from here forward. Western Europe is lost. They are complacent in their cradle to grave socialism. Their white flags are waving high and can be seen all they way to the Middle East. Our own Democracts are trying to hoist a white flag from the soil of the USA but thankfully, President Bush keeps ripping it down.
4 posted on 04/09/2007 8:52:43 AM PDT by avacado
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To: jveritas
Military fairy

5 posted on 04/09/2007 8:52:56 AM PDT by Radix (You might find my other Tag Lines for sale on E-Bay.)
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To: jveritas

The Sun sets on BRitish Empire
Final
Act
BumP

I bet there still some hopping ready to take “siplomacy” to a new level.

How many years has the Iranian Regime been kicking sand at the West? Time to toss some back.


6 posted on 04/09/2007 8:53:10 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... BumP'n'Run 'Right-Wing Extremist' since 2001 ... My profile is on FiRe!)
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To: karnage
We’re on our own.

Not really, read Revelation.

7 posted on 04/09/2007 8:53:16 AM PDT by itsahoot (The GOP did nothing about immigration, immigration did something about the GOP (As Predicted))
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To: karnage

We have Australia, Eithiopia, Poland and Japan


8 posted on 04/09/2007 8:53:35 AM PDT by bobjam
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To: jveritas

The Empire lost for want of a $50 marine radio.


9 posted on 04/09/2007 8:53:44 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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siplomacy = diplomacy


10 posted on 04/09/2007 8:54:00 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... BumP'n'Run 'Right-Wing Extremist' since 2001 ... My profile is on FiRe!)
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To: jveritas

Run, Britainia
Britainia run away
Britain never ever ever
Shall be brave


11 posted on 04/09/2007 8:54:24 AM PDT by Lexington Green (Every American killed by a Mexican truck is a homicide committed by our leaders..)
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To: NormsRevenge

The sun has indeed set on the British Empire. Will the crescent moon now rise over the British Homeland?

Queen Elizabeth I reigned over the beginning of the British Empire and the establishment of Anglicanism as we know it today. Queen Elizabeth II has the honor of reigning over the end of the British Empire and the break-up of Anglicanism.


12 posted on 04/09/2007 8:57:52 AM PDT by bobjam
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To: Lexington Green

“Run, Britainia
Britainia run away
Britain never ever ever
Shall be brave”

Perhaps this is the “rock bottom” that is required before the beginning of recovery. A lot of British are very upset of this.


13 posted on 04/09/2007 8:59:26 AM PDT by Londo Molari
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To: jveritas
Excellent piece, jveritas.

Here's an interesting piece by David Reinhard, England And Radical Islam that's related.

14 posted on 04/09/2007 9:01:06 AM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: jveritas
"Yes we are on our own and may be it is better to be this way. Of course we need to fight our our defeatists and traitors in our midst who are also willing to capitulate and surrender."

Those in our midst will always be secure so long as we follow ineffective and ambiguous R.O.E.'s for domestic enemies.

What does it profit a country to vanquish all of its foreign foes only to lose its own soul to the enemies within?

15 posted on 04/09/2007 9:08:35 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound

>decease of the “French Surrender”< ? When did the french stop surrendering?

Please explain?


16 posted on 04/09/2007 9:15:44 AM PDT by bicyclerepair (Living in Beautiful Ft. Lauderdale)
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To: jveritas

There might be one more ally—Israel. Certainly, they have a dog in this hunt.

One direct result of these sailors and Marines behavior, I believe, is today’s announcement from Iran. They feel that no one can, or will, stop them. I pray they have miscalculated.


17 posted on 04/09/2007 9:26:32 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: jveritas
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18 posted on 04/09/2007 9:31:11 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Londo Molari

“Perhaps this is the ‘rock bottom’ that is required before the beginning of recovery.”

It isn’t even the beginning of the end. First we must see through the collapse of American public will and the withdrawal of most US forces from the Middle East. Then we will see the abrupt tilting of the new Iraqi government towards their co-religionists in Teheran. Then we’ll get to see the development of the Iranian nuclear weapons, and the escalation of threats.


19 posted on 04/09/2007 9:45:51 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Le chien aboie; la caravane passe.)
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To: bicyclerepair

“When did the french stop surrendering?”

What did anything that happened involving these Brits have to do with France?


20 posted on 04/09/2007 9:46:43 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Le chien aboie; la caravane passe.)
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To: jveritas

“I think President Bush may have realized by now that when the time will come to forcefully deal with the ultimate regime of terror, the islamic terrorist regime in Tehran, we are going to do it alone, we have no real allies left who are willing to fight for their freedom and their way of life, it is up to the USA to preserve it for us and the rest of the world.”

Though I agree with most of your post, I disagree with the above.
GWB no longer has the political capital or backing from Congress, EU, NATO, or the UN to attack Iran. Iran would have to directly attack US forces, with much loss of US lives, for the Rats to even contemplate a war with Iran. Clearly, by their words, the Rats do not want to assume the presidency with the country at war. That would have THEM losing the war, which they surely would, thru micro-mis-management & pure cowardess, a la LBJ.

IMO, the only country likely to attack Iran preemptively is Israel. This becomes even more likely as Israel becomes convinced the USA & the West will do nothing to stop Iranian developement of Nukes.


21 posted on 04/09/2007 9:50:32 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: avacado

Agree they will be on our side. However in an Air and Naval war against Iran, the Australians can offer little help but the Eastern Europeans do not have any naval or air forces to offer any help but their moral support will be enough in this case. The US Air Force and Navy can take on and destroy Iran nukes and its military infrastructures without the help of anyone.


22 posted on 04/09/2007 9:53:37 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: NormsRevenge

Agree 100%, time to toss some bombs in the direction of Iran.


23 posted on 04/09/2007 9:54:40 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jazusamo

Thanks Jaz. Agree with the article you linked.


24 posted on 04/09/2007 9:56:45 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: MizSterious
Israel is our ally but politically the US will not request their help.

The terrorist rulers in Tehran have fatally miscalculated, they forgot that Bush is still President and he is not going to allow them to have nuclear weapons or the means to make nuclear weapons.

25 posted on 04/09/2007 10:00:14 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Mister Da

We shall see who is right. I have strong faith that President Bush will destroy Iran nukes and probably all their military infrastructures before his term ends. The President of the United States hold 2/3 of power in the US, and we are very fortunate for that.


26 posted on 04/09/2007 10:03:03 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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Great post JV. If anything’s to be done, it’s going to have to be before Bush’s term ends. If our gov’t ends up all dem, we’re through!


27 posted on 04/09/2007 10:09:15 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: bicyclerepair

???


28 posted on 04/09/2007 10:15:15 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: JZelle

We cannot guarantee that a new President will destroy Iran terrorist regime nukes, for sure not a democrat President, and I am no so sure if a new Republican President will do it although we have much better chance with a GOP President. Our hope is that President Bush will do it, and I have a great faith that he will do it.


29 posted on 04/09/2007 10:18:38 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

Excellent editorial and I agree.

I kinda figured the gig was up when George Galloway was on the telly in a leash like a dog.

Any country that will permit that has lost it’s pride.


30 posted on 04/09/2007 10:22:16 AM PDT by sauropod ("An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools." Ernest Hemingway)
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To: jveritas

Good piece, JV. The Brits are verifying your insightful reasoning as they now cease all boarding work and meekly slink from the field with their tail between their legs. Iran needed only to expose the paper brit tiger by kidnapping 15 of her forces and holding them for a few days. Liberalism is a disease now shown to be destroying Britain and soon to crumble the U.S. of A.


31 posted on 04/09/2007 10:28:54 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: sauropod

Very sad indeed.


32 posted on 04/09/2007 10:30:06 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Who would you rather screw with?

OR


33 posted on 04/09/2007 10:31:16 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (DR #1692 Mitch Rapp would take Jack Bauer's lunch money.)
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To: MHGinTN
Liberalism is a disease now shown to be destroying Britain and soon to crumble the U.S. of A.

Not doubt it has destroyed Britain and Western Europe, in the US we are still fighting it and should continue to fight it and prevent this greatest of all nations from becoming another France or now can easily say another Britain.

34 posted on 04/09/2007 10:32:20 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

That says it all, the terrorist mullahs knew who to pick up on.


35 posted on 04/09/2007 10:34:04 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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“I have strong faith that President Bush will destroy Iran nukes and probably all their military infrastructures before his term ends. The President of the United States hold 2/3 of power in the US, and we are very fortunate for that.”

How is GWB gonna LEGALLY attack Iran w/o the consent of Congress? If he did, even the Pubs would vote for his impeachment & removal.

2/3s of the power? I don’t know how you figure that, unless one of the other 2 branches of gov’t has no power at all. Check your math & the Constitution.


36 posted on 04/09/2007 10:41:45 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Mister Da
Air Strikes on Iran nuclear sites and some of their other military infrastructure does not require declaration of war or consent of Congress. In fact it is better to be done as big surprise of shock and awe.

It requires 2/3 of each houses of Congress to vote for a bill to overcome a Presidential veto. Thus the President has 2/3 of power when it comes to running the US government.

37 posted on 04/09/2007 10:46:37 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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How is GWB gonna LEGALLY attack Iran w/o the consent of Congress?

The notion that the Commander in Chief requires permission from Congress to protect the country is nonsense. Even the so called "War Powers Act" allows the President to commence hostilities, but requires a report to Congress within a certain time. The Congress is always free to cut off funding.

But I agree that in General Congress is the most powerful branch, or would be if the Constitution were still followed, just not in Foreign Affairs.

38 posted on 04/09/2007 10:53:02 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

No question, and I’ve got a home grown specimen in JRROTC, not yet 15, but very much a man.


39 posted on 04/09/2007 10:56:29 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: jveritas
It requires 2/3 of each houses of Congress to vote for a bill to overcome a Presidential veto. Thus the President has 2/3 of power when it comes to running the US government.

The President can check the Congress that way, but he can't force it to do anything. Not declare war, not required in this case as you point out, and certainly not appropriate money. That's the thing the Congress holds over the President. They can cut off funding, without doing anything. The President cannot veto a funding bill that is never passed.

40 posted on 04/09/2007 10:56:36 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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Do you seriously believe GWB will attack Iran in the next 22 months? With no backing from Congress, EU, NATO, or UN?

Seems to me he spent many months gathering this very support before attacking Iraq. Why would he do different?

Furthermore, GWB could have pitched a fit about the Brit hostages, saying the coalition had been attacked (it had!), & started bombing Iran last week. But he didn’t! Actually, he did no more than the EU, NATO, & the UN. Talk!

I’ll bet he has a file full of Iranian attacks on coalition forces, yet what is he hiding them for? His memoirs? No, this is not a man who wants war with Iran now.

I don’t think he will start something this dangerous that he cannot complete while in office, & would be fearful of leaving the unfinished task to his successor, Pub or Rat.

I see GWB spending the next 22 months trying to bring stability to Iraq, a huge task that will require his full attention, both politically & militarily. A war with Iran is not in his cards, unless Iran were to blatantly attack us first.

Nothing I’d like better that to flatten the mullahs, amanutjob, the nuke plants, & the Iranian military. I just think GWB’s plate is full!


41 posted on 04/09/2007 11:56:30 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: jveritas
Tony Blair doesn’t have a tenth of the courage and intestinal fortitude of Maggie Thatcher, much less the pair of nads needed for the job.
42 posted on 04/09/2007 1:27:46 PM PDT by libs_kma (Monica blew while Al-Queda grew.....Oh well, Clinton happens!)
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To: Londo Molari

The 7% that supported a military response?


43 posted on 04/09/2007 3:19:53 PM PDT by omega4179 (Boycott Target 2007)
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To: Mister Da

Commander in Chief. He just picks up the phone and bombs drop.


44 posted on 04/09/2007 3:21:38 PM PDT by omega4179 (Boycott Target 2007)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9
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45 posted on 04/09/2007 3:23:19 PM PDT by omega4179 (Boycott Target 2007)
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To: jveritas
The Capitulation of Great Britain

There. Fixed the headline.

46 posted on 04/09/2007 3:27:30 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: karnage

In addition to not having any allies we have powerful forces within and without the Government working tirelessly to ensure our defeat.

I believe that the forces within the Government include the State Department, the CIA, and the Democrat Party. The forces without the Governmnt include the main stream media and college and university professors. The above dedicated organizations and parties are aided and abetted mightily by a voting public that as a whole, does not know its ass from a hole in the ground.

The mullahs and ayiotollas are not only smiling, they are laughing their heads off.


47 posted on 04/09/2007 3:37:37 PM PDT by sport
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“There is only one cnation left on this planet to defend the world from islamic terrorism and that this the United States of America. I think President Bush may have realized by now that when the time will come to forcefully deal with the ultimate regime of terror, the islamic terrorist regime in Tehran, we are going to do it alone, we have no real allies left who are willing to fight for their freedom and their way of life, it is up to the USA to preserve it for us and the rest of the world.”

I’ll take Israel, Australia, Japan and Poland against the world any day of the week. Might be like WWII where the Axis comes close to winning at first but they will all die in the end.


48 posted on 04/09/2007 4:37:17 PM PDT by quant5
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To: Vicomte13

“It isn’t even the beginning of the end. First we must see through the collapse of American public will and the withdrawal of most US forces from the Middle East. Then we will see the abrupt tilting of the new Iraqi government towards their co-religionists in Teheran. Then we’ll get to see the development of the Iranian nuclear weapons, and the escalation of threats.”

Yes, read Ezekial 38 in the bible. Israel will be attacked by Gog and Magog. These are the countries of Iran, Syria, Iraq, Sudan, Lebanon, Russia. By the description in the passage, it appears Israel uses her Sampson option destroying the invading armies. It says it takes Israel several months to clean up the carnage and she expands her land. This is a regional war, the enemies declare a peace treaty lasting 3 1/2 years according to Daniel. Then Christ says that when we cry peace and security, sudden destruction as the world has never known will occur.

This leads me to believe an all out nuclear attack on America and is suppported in Revelations. Revelations talks about the beginning of the last and final world war, with 1/3 of mankind dead and 200 million combatants. The catalyst of the war is the angels being unbound at the river Euphrates between Iran and Iraq.

The precise death toll can be calculated by measuring the pints of blood in the human body and reading the scripture in Revelations. The river of blood from the war is high as a horses bridle, 4 feet and two furlongs in length (this is 2 miles if memory serves me right). Watch North Korea as the pawn that truly starts WWIII which will spread to Japan.


49 posted on 04/09/2007 4:47:27 PM PDT by quant5
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To: Mister Da

“How is GWB gonna LEGALLY attack Iran w/o the consent of Congress? If he did, even the Pubs would vote for his impeachment & removal”

Bush has power to initiate attacks on any country he chooses without Congressional approval. I speculate those three carriers off the coast of Iran aren’t there for simply show. Problem is, once you attack Iran with airpower you only slow their progress down and then you provide them with a justification to attack us with a nuclear weapon in the not so distant future. Of course, this will happen either way in my opinion so may as well enjoy a bit more life before WWIII...


50 posted on 04/09/2007 4:52:43 PM PDT by quant5
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