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A Debate for the Millennia: Did Jesus Rise From the Dead?[Washington Post article]
Washington Post ^ | March 30, 2007 | Daniel Burke

Posted on 04/09/2007 4:01:07 PM PDT by freedomdefender

Where you stand on the Resurrection tends to mirror how you interpret the Bible, said Stephen T. Davis, a professor of philosophy at California's Claremont McKenna College. Davis believes in the bodily resurrection, though he acknowledges some seemingly contradictory New Testament accounts.

"Some are easy and some I don't know how to reconcile," said Davis, a minister in the Presbyterian Church (USA). "They were different stories that got talked about and talked about, so its not surprising there would have been some discrepancies. But there's tremendous agreement on the basic facts."

Any discrepancies can be "eliminated by a straight-up reading of the text," said James Emery White, president of the Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, a evangelical school in South Hamilton, Mass. "There's no sense that any of the earliest followers had the remotest sense that this was metaphorical."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: antichristian; atheistagenda; christianbashing; culturewar; grinchstoleeaster; mediabias; religiousintolerance; whereisyourgodnow
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1 posted on 04/09/2007 4:01:09 PM PDT by freedomdefender
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To: freedomdefender
Did Jesus Rise From the Dead?

Yes.
Next question.

2 posted on 04/09/2007 4:09:26 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Liberal when I married her.)
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To: freedomdefender
Every year, just in time for Easter, the anti-Christians come slithering out of the woodwork. . . .

. . . it's as predictable as the swallows coming back to Capistrano, or the rednecks to Panama City . . .

( . . . keep yore cat-hats on, boys, I am a proud descendant of Alabama rednecks myself . . . )

3 posted on 04/09/2007 4:09:56 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: freedomdefender

“Did Jesus rise from the dead?”

Yes.


4 posted on 04/09/2007 4:10:27 PM PDT by gate2wire (I feel happy.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

I always say “You say redneck like it’s a bad thing.”


5 posted on 04/09/2007 4:11:08 PM PDT by SeanOGuano
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To: Tanniker Smith

While walking on Easter morning, I looked up and there was a perfect halo in the sky overhead, never had I seen anything like it. Yes, he did.


6 posted on 04/09/2007 4:12:03 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: freedomdefender

Why would anyone at all go to the Washington Post to learn anything about Jesus??????


7 posted on 04/09/2007 4:12:09 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: gate2wire

““Did Jesus rise from the dead?”

Yes.”

Agreed.


8 posted on 04/09/2007 4:12:27 PM PDT by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: SeanOGuano

About half the stuff in Foxworthy’s books has direct application to somebody in my family.


9 posted on 04/09/2007 4:12:52 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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“To say Jesus’s bodily resurrection is a metaphor “is to lose the reality of God in the world,” Molnar said.”

And THAT is their obvious intent.


10 posted on 04/09/2007 4:13:13 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: freedomdefender
Josephus in Antiquities of the Jews Book 18/ chapter 3. (63) It says:

"Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works-a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was (the) Christ; (64) and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day."

11 posted on 04/09/2007 4:14:26 PM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: AnAmericanMother

It’s become as much an Easter tradition as the Easter Bunny. Every year they come up with a new twist. We found Jesus’ casket. We found a new scroll that says Jesus had 15 kids. We found Mary’s diaphram.


12 posted on 04/09/2007 4:17:51 PM PDT by DManA
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To: gate2wire

For John Spong to assert the ressurection as metaphor when the gospels are clearly historical narrative reveals a breathtaking depth of cognitive dissonance. In other words, he’s a God hating loon.


13 posted on 04/09/2007 4:18:42 PM PDT by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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To: freedomdefender; All

And the Washington Post is a venue in which one would trust either the motives behind the report or the content of a report on the subject of the resurrection????? I don’t think so.


14 posted on 04/09/2007 4:19:33 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: SF Republican

Wow — saw the same thing on Easter afternoon where we are.


15 posted on 04/09/2007 4:20:10 PM PDT by soccermom
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To: freedomdefender

Let them think anything they want. In the end, “every knee will bow.”


16 posted on 04/09/2007 4:21:06 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: freedomdefender

The debate for this millenia is over global warming and (A) whether Man is the CAUSE of global warming and (B) whether Man can do anything to alter future climate.

It may be made irrelevant by the OTHER debate for this millenia and that is whether muslims will see the error of their ways and cease centuries of global conquest in the name of Islam. Why not prove that Mohammed was not risen into the Heavens on a horse? Kill. that sacred cow.


17 posted on 04/09/2007 4:21:27 PM PDT by weegee (I'm waiting to exhale. The Supreme Court has ruled that CO2 is pollution.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Ahhhhh...the Redneck Riviera — my childhood stomping grounds!


18 posted on 04/09/2007 4:21:40 PM PDT by soccermom
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To: freedomdefender; xzins; rhema; blue-duncan

Surprisingly fair article, given the source and the topic.


19 posted on 04/09/2007 4:23:47 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: freedomdefender

The fact that we are discussing it right now proves that he is alive.

Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Mt 24:35


20 posted on 04/09/2007 4:25:17 PM PDT by Navydog
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To: freedomdefender

Truth is not determined by a majority vote. — Pope Benedict XVI.

It’s either true or it’s not. If it is true, which I personally have no doubts about, it is glorious. If it isn’t true, shame on us.

But debate, one way or another won’t change reality. Scholars pouring over texts with preconceived notions won’t change reality. Desire won’t change reality.

Reality is: a tomb was empty where no one expected it to be (and no ancient source records dispute on this fact.)

Reality is: a group of disheartened, frightened men went from cowering in a room in Jerusalem to stalwart proclaimers of a faith that lit a fire that went around the world. Moreover, they were willing and did give their lives for this.

Reality is: Something happened.

Either:
For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For when he received honor and glory from God the Father and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,” we heard this voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain. 2 Peter 1:15-18

or a lot of self delusion.

You have to decide, but debate won’t change the reality.


21 posted on 04/09/2007 4:25:35 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: freedomdefender

Did Jesus rise from the dead?

Yes

Is he coming back?

Yes, and this time to rule as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.


22 posted on 04/09/2007 4:27:09 PM PDT by DarthVader (Conservatives aren't always right , but Liberals are almost always wrong.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

That is a fact, take it from an ex-pastor. The Church is full of roaches masquerading as Christians. Remember, Rome fell from within...


23 posted on 04/09/2007 4:28:11 PM PDT by pankot
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To: freedomdefender

He is risen!
He is risen indeed!
Nuff said!


24 posted on 04/09/2007 4:35:11 PM PDT by Doctor Don
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To: freedomdefender

Yep


25 posted on 04/09/2007 4:36:56 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: freeangel

You see, our job is to change their minds. :p


26 posted on 04/09/2007 4:37:27 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: freedomdefender

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

5And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

6After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

7After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.

8And last of all he was seen of me(Paul) also, as of one born out of due time.


27 posted on 04/09/2007 4:39:51 PM PDT by Rodm (Seest thou a man diligent in his business? He shall stand before kings)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Naw...It’s a big neo-con / Karl Rove scam to trick the Godbags into supporting Bushitler Rethuglican policies.
Hey...I’m starting to get the hang of these reflexive hare-brained lefty talking points.


28 posted on 04/09/2007 4:41:27 PM PDT by Carl LaFong ( Enough Is Too Much !)
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To: freedomdefender

One word: FAITH


29 posted on 04/09/2007 4:48:01 PM PDT by citizencon
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To: freedomdefender

In 33 AD, the last thing the Romans as well as the Sanhedrin wanted was for Jesus’ body to disappear, because they knew it would rock their world if it did by further empowering the Christians. That’s why the Romans placed guards at Joseph of Arimathea’s tomb, who had asked for and received permission for Jesus to be entombed there.

So it’s a given that when His body turned up missing, there would’ve been an all-out search for it, leaving no stone unturned until it was found, but of course it never was.

Another question has to do with the stone that closed the tomb: There were Roman guards there all night, and any human trying to open the tomb would’ve made enough noise to alert them, so how was that thing moved?


30 posted on 04/09/2007 4:48:31 PM PDT by Marauder (The height of hypocrisy: Congress upset because someone lied to them.)
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To: freedomdefender
The real question:

Can rags like The Washington Post rise from the dead?

31 posted on 04/09/2007 4:49:28 PM PDT by SquirrelKing ("When a coin in the carbon pot rings, out of global warming hell a soul does spring." - Timothy Ball)
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To: Tanniker Smith

My father would reply: “Does a bear sh** in the woods?”


32 posted on 04/09/2007 4:49:38 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed less people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: freedomdefender
When those who were closest to Jesus were killed for maintaining so, it is rather strong evidence. I doubt anyone would give their life knowing something did not happen. That evidence is overwhelming.
33 posted on 04/09/2007 4:50:46 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: freedomdefender

Wouldn’t some just love to be able to say no. The world hates Him.


34 posted on 04/09/2007 4:54:07 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: freedomdefender
If one were to believe the tripe on the History channel:

Jesus had brothers

Mary Magdalene was Jesus wife

Jesus did not rise on the third day or at all

The Ark of the Covenant is in Ethiopia somewhere

And on and on, just in time for Easter

Seems a conspiracy to challenge everything I believe.

Hasn't worked yet. Not likely to...

35 posted on 04/09/2007 4:54:13 PM PDT by FixitGuy (By their fruits shall ye know them!)
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To: freedomdefender
From the article:

John Dominic Crossan, a Roman Catholic and a former professor at DePaul University, said the Resurrection is best understood as a metaphor, a belief that puts him at odds with his own church.

Saying the Resurrection "is a metaphor doesn't dismiss it," Crossan said. "I get the message, I get the challenge from the metaphor."

I must disagree with the good professor here. Saying the Resurrection is a metaphor does dismiss it. For if it is just a metaphor—if Jesus never arose from the dead—then He is dead and we are all as good as dead ourselves. Hence, Crossan's "message" is that the Gospels lie and that nothing is real but the reality of the grave.

Fortunately for all of us, the Resurrection is not merely a metaphor, but an event that truly happened.

36 posted on 04/09/2007 4:54:42 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: DManA

A quote worthy of publicizing.

http://exposingtheleft.blogspot.com/2007/04/quote-of-week_09.html


37 posted on 04/09/2007 4:55:04 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: traderrob6

Very funny. Thanks


38 posted on 04/09/2007 4:58:17 PM PDT by FixitGuy (By their fruits shall ye know them!)
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To: freedomdefender
This non-article was designed to attack Christianity — again. There is no controversy or doubts within Christianity about the resurrection. There are doubts by non-believers but not believing Christians. If someone does not believe the resurrection then they are not a Christian. In fact without believing in the resurrection there is no reason to be a Christian.
39 posted on 04/09/2007 5:00:05 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: freedomdefender

If there was a book about “global warming” from 0ne AD.....they would believe it.....but, they won’t believe The Bible......hhmmmmmm


40 posted on 04/09/2007 5:01:34 PM PDT by goodnesswins (We need to cure Academentia)
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To: Tanniker Smith

I thought we had that one worked out already, after 2000 years. I wonder how these people did on their SATs. “Why seek ye the living among the dead? He is not here, but he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.”. Basic reading comprehension, you know.


41 posted on 04/09/2007 5:01:48 PM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: freedomdefender

Yes. Any other obvious answers needed?


42 posted on 04/09/2007 5:10:12 PM PDT by lastchance
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To: Spunky
Josephus

It's not wise to quote Josephus in this regard. Almost all scholars consider the passage you quote to be a fraudulent insertion into the original text, (Google =Josephus jesus= and hunt around.) which could raise the question why someone thought fraud was nevessary.

ML/NJ

43 posted on 04/09/2007 5:40:57 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: freedomdefender

Is this one of those “duuuuhhhh” questions?


44 posted on 04/09/2007 5:41:53 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: freedomdefender

Yes, and He saved my life.


45 posted on 04/09/2007 6:07:19 PM PDT by sierrahome (Kennedy-Clinton-Kerry-Pelosi The REAL Antiques Roadshow)
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To: Logophile
The professor also doesn't understand that the soldiers who were guarding the tomb were themselves under a death sentence. If one would have been found asleep on guard duty, he would have been killed.

Also, putting guards in front of a tomb was highly unusual, as this was a highly unusual circumstance. The guards were guarding the tomb and the body with their very lives. If they were attacked, they would have been expected to fight to the death. Because if they didn't, if someone stole the body, or got into the tomb, the guards would have been killed anyway.

Next, the tomb was sealed. Meaning there was a seal of Caesar administered by Pilate put upon the stone. Anyone violating that seal would have been put to death. Its highly unlikely that the distraught Apostles would have dared to face that for something they believed in, was to them, over. The Apostles were not looking for Jesus after the crucifixion, until the women told them Jesus had risen, and then they thought the women were delusional.

Next, the stone itself was a massive boulder, rolled down an embankment, into position. The only way to roll the stone away was uphill. Imagine how much a boulder 4'-6' round must weigh. A couple thousand pounds?

For the professor to postulate that the resurrection is a metaphor, proves he has an ulterior motive, as he blatantly disregards facts from his theory.

Next, he disregards every piece of eye witness accounting reported from the time. How do you disregard hundreds of eyewitness accounting? Were there any official documentations to refute the eye witness accounts? And if so, what were they based upon.

Lastly the Apostles, almost all, were martyred for not just their beliefs, but what they were teaching. Peter himself did not feel worthy of dieing the same way as Christ. So they crucified him upside down. Pretty extreme death for a metaphor.

For what the Gospel teaches, for someone to call the resurrection a metaphor, is someone who doesn't have the chutzpah to come right out and say the Bible is an outright lie. Or else the person doesn't have the mental intellect to understand what they are actually saying.

Either the Bible is absolute truth, or it is a complete lie. There is no middle ground.

46 posted on 04/09/2007 6:12:59 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: scottdeus12
Did Jesus Rise From the Dead? "The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. He is not here; He has risen, just as He said." Matthew 28:5-6.
47 posted on 04/09/2007 6:27:18 PM PDT by Ladycalif (Free The Texas 3 - Ramos, Compean and Hernandez)
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To: SF Republican

If you see it in SF and feel it in your heart, well there’s your answer.


48 posted on 04/09/2007 6:43:45 PM PDT by romanesq
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To: CalvaryJohn

Spong is simply following modernist Bible scholarship, which has it that the Gospels are late compositions. The consensus among them is that except for Mark they were all composed after about 80 A.D. But that requires that we disregard all allusion to the destruction of the Temple as after the fact. I don’t see why we should.


49 posted on 04/09/2007 7:01:25 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: sierrahome

Now that’s a truly beautiful answer to the question.


50 posted on 04/09/2007 7:03:47 PM PDT by romanesq
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