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The Greening of Gingrich (Newt joins the ecotard chorus)
Human Events ^ | April 10, 2007 | Amanda B. Carpenter

Posted on 04/10/2007 1:19:25 PM PDT by xjcsa

In a heavily hyped debate – one that environmentalist Democrats hoped would be a “smack down” on Republicans -- former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich disappointed them and conservatives alike when he declared that human activity was causing the Earth to warm.

The concession was made in a debate on global warming with Sen. John Kerry (D.-Mass.) today on Capitol Hill that was sponsored by the Brookings Institution and the RAND Corporation.

In his first portion of allotted time Gingrich said there were two undisputed areas of scientific consensus on global warming: that the earth is getting hotter and the warming had been caused by human activity.

At one point, Kerry asked Gingrich what he would say to conservatives like Sen. James Inhofe (R.-Okla.) who do not believe global warming is caused by human activity. Gingrich said, "The evidence is sufficient that we should move to the most effective possible steps to reduce carbon."

“We should be moving to develop all kinds of new green technology,” Gingrich said. He challenged Kerry to find market-based solutions to reduce carbon emission instead of increasing environmental regulations.

“Regulation and litigation are the least effective ways of getting solutions,” the former Speaker said. “Reshaping markets with incentives are the fastest way.”

Kerry argued that environment laws drafted with help from the United Nations have been successful.

Kerry said the laws were “needed to create the leverage and the market so they would go out and invest in the technology because they don’t invest without it.” Government regulation, he said “is the only way to invite people to make that investment.”

“We are not arguing bureaucracy and regulation. We are arguing whether putting a price on carbon is bureaucracy.”

Kerry said it was not. “This is not bureaucracy. You set the standard the market will set the price,” he said. “We all live in a world where we don’t pay for the cost. We don’t pay for the loss of fish, we don’t pay for the lost of these species. None of that is priced into the goods today.”

Before launching into his initial speech, Gingrich endorsed the book Kerry had co-authored with his wife Teresa Heinz Kerry "This Moment on Earth.".

“This is excellent, this is a very good book,” he said. “I would commend this book to anyone who wants to see local leadership make a difference.” Gingrich said he didn’t agree with “about 60% of it” but would urge others to “read it because it’s an example of individual local leadership against the odds.”

Gingrich’s concession was expected in many news circles as part of his long-shot strategy to run for President in 2008. He has said since last year that he would make a decision to run or not sometime in the fall of this year. He is planning to release a new book, "Contract with the Earth" this November that he co-wrote with conservationist Terry Maples.

Yesterday, in his weekly email newsletter “Winning the Future” Gingrich said that September 27 would be “Solutions Day.” This is to honor the 13th anniversary of his 1994 “Contract with America.”

Last week, Gingrich called the Spanish language a “ghetto language.” Immediately after the mishap, he recorded an extensive apology, in Spanish, directed to the Hispanic community that made available on YouTube. Last month, he revealed to Focus on the Family’s James Dobson that he had an extramarital affair on Dobson’s radio show.

In January, Gingrich appeared at a hearing conducted by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to talk about how to stabilize Iraq.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008; gingrich; globalwarming; manbearpig; newt; rino
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To: xjcsa

Well, it’s good to see Newt has bowed out of any further political ambitions.
I like the guy, but his endorsement of the “global warming” con job shows me he is not leadership material.


151 posted on 04/10/2007 8:30:40 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: xjcsa

Newt has jumped the shark.


152 posted on 04/10/2007 8:35:52 PM PDT by Hattie
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To: raybbr
Newt Gingrich

I agree.

153 posted on 04/10/2007 8:40:12 PM PDT by KoRn (FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT!)
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To: xjcsa

Was his hot sexytary third wife there?? Such a statesman pushing Global Scamming.

Pray for W and Our Troops


154 posted on 04/10/2007 8:40:12 PM PDT by bray (The Surge is Working against both enemies of America)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Agreed.

There is one guy that really does seem to speak his mind, and doesn't apologize later: Tom Tancredo.

But, I have my doubts that he could get nominated, let alone elected.

155 posted on 04/10/2007 8:51:06 PM PDT by B Knotts (FReepmail me to get on/off the Newt '08 Ping List)
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To: KoRn
I do like Fred Thompson's recent statements on global warming and illegal immigration.

But, he may disappoint as well.

To a certain degree, I am in the ABG camp (anybody but Giuliani).

156 posted on 04/10/2007 8:54:47 PM PDT by B Knotts (FReepmail me to get on/off the Newt '08 Ping List)
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To: B Knotts

That’s the lone advantage that he and Ron Paul have by virtue of the fact that there is not a snowballs chance in Hell of them being elected. They can push the envelope and advance the discourse past scripted talking points.

That’s why we need people like them in the debates. Even if they don’t win, they can accomplish something.

See Barry Goldwater.


157 posted on 04/10/2007 8:55:19 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: katiedidit1
Newt is not suggesting govt regulations but incentives..I am with Newt on this...he is brilliant.

That would be a good point if he were suggesting incentives to solve a real problem. Here he's suggesting government incentives (which in this case are, in fact, regulations) to fix a PRETEND PROBLEM.

158 posted on 04/10/2007 10:02:09 PM PDT by xjcsa (The "average temperature" of the earth is as meaningful as the "average number" in a phone book.)
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To: campg
Newt taught Environmental Science and cares about the planet.

Caring does nothing. All of us "care" about the planet; "caring" isn't the issue. I care about the planet, but I also realize that global warming is a silly pretend problem, and that anything we do to solve a silly pretend problem is a complete waste of time and resources.

He also knows how to generate discussion and get people thinking in ways that may not appear on the surface to make conservative sense.

What the hell does that even mean? "Conservative sense"? It doesn't make any sense at all to jump on the bandwagon of a pretend problem.

159 posted on 04/10/2007 10:05:49 PM PDT by xjcsa (The "average temperature" of the earth is as meaningful as the "average number" in a phone book.)
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To: xjcsa

Don’t bother running for office again, Newt...


160 posted on 04/10/2007 11:30:00 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Barney Gumble

Not to mention both wives were seriously ill when he dumped them.


161 posted on 04/10/2007 11:39:48 PM PDT by Politicalmom ( Giuliani's CA spokesperson is radical leftist, gun grabbing Dem Bill Lockyer. Odd, that.)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...

I saw most of this debate Tuesday morning on C-SPAN. It was nauseating...


162 posted on 04/10/2007 11:43:35 PM PDT by nutmeg (The Democrats' "new direction" for Iraq: SURRENDER)
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To: xjcsa
This is Newt looking for redemption of sins case on him by Godless Clintons. Too bad Newt doesn't see that.
163 posted on 04/11/2007 4:40:36 AM PDT by bmwcyle ( Freep Fox they drop the ball on GOE)
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To: pollyannaish
I STILL do not understand what the Newt Cult is all about. He does this kind of stuff ALL the time.

He is a good conservative writer, he just doesn't believe what he writes.

164 posted on 04/11/2007 4:58:47 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (For what saith the scripture? (Rom.4:3))
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To: potlatch; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; xjcsa


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What is algore's energy use for his Tennessee mansion so far this April?

Is he on track to use about $1200+ a month of electricity plus natural gas for heating as usual?

If palm trees and hippos were once in England how can these "climate experts" claim the earth was never warmer and all you dumb peons cannot question their "facts"?

Did algore's ancestor's invent a extra secret worldwide thermometer gizmo hundreds of years ago we will all soon learn about on the Weather Channel?

What did the "consensus of worldwide expert scientists" say about how warm this month would be on April Fool's Day?


165 posted on 04/11/2007 6:41:42 AM PDT by devolve ( ........upload images free & fast at tinypic.com or Photobucket or Imagecave)
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To: AuntB

Thanks Aunt B, not like I was going to vote for the man, but thought he might have been good in the cabinet. Now that the curtain is pulled back, I’d have to say no way. When a person has weak principles, a people need to ask, what else would he sell us out on? Can’t afford to find out!


166 posted on 04/11/2007 7:03:55 AM PDT by Issaquahking (Duncan Hunter for president!)
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To: stockpirate

*points to tagline*


167 posted on 04/11/2007 7:21:26 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: xjcsa

IMHO, Newt has never been, and could never be, a serious candidate for President. He wants to be loved by everyone too much to stand up for conservative ideals. He also lacks the basic character that we should demand from our elected leaders.

Hopefully, this episode (combined with his Hillary love-fest on health care) will put the final nail in the coffin of the “Newt 2008” campaign.

He is, however, a great thinker and a fantastic source of ideas consistent with the conservative movement. He should stick to this role and quit deluding himself about running for president.


168 posted on 04/11/2007 7:22:24 AM PDT by Deo et Patria
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Thanks for the DH info, check outout my profile page!


169 posted on 04/11/2007 7:29:23 AM PDT by stockpirate (A nation that does not honor it warriors will be defeated by a nation that does.)
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To: stockpirate

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1803511/posts

You might like this thread.


170 posted on 04/11/2007 7:32:19 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: Kellis91789
I scratched Newt off my list about 8 months ago. I will tell you why with an example that I have repeated several times on FR:

Right after Hurricane Katrina, Newt was on Fox saying that we needed a "Marshall Plan for the Gulf Coast." To me, "Marshall Plan" means "big federal government programs and spending."

With people like Newt whining about the need for all of this spending, the panicky Congressional Republicans (absent a few logical folks) passed that huge Katrina Aid bill.

About 16 months later the stories came out about all of the waste, fraud, and corruption that had eaten up that money.

And there was Newt on Fox again, saying that "this is what you get when big government handles programs like this, and it should have been handled by the private sector."

There is no way to parse his comments as anything but a complete flip-flop, based, I suspect, on opportunism! How else would you explain this?

He has a bad habit of saying what he thinks Americans want to hear. He is inconsistent, weak, timid when confronted, and NOT a good candidate for the presidency.

So he baheaved exactly as I would have expected. What makes it worse is that he validated John F. Kerry!

Pffft! NOT presidentital material at all!

171 posted on 04/11/2007 7:35:41 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Prayers for Jemian's son,: Lord, please keep him safe and bring him home .)
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To: xjcsa

That’s it. He’s off the list.


172 posted on 04/11/2007 7:52:57 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: honolulugal

please add me to the list


173 posted on 04/11/2007 7:56:00 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: xjcsa

I still can’t understand the adulation this poser Gingrich receives from conservatives. Unless they have been living under a rock, we all now know that Gingrich let the Rapist walk, because Bubba & The Hildebeast had the goods on all of Newt’s skirt chasing on Capitol Hill.

At the time no-one could figure out why Newt was pushing the GOP to simply focus on the perjury charges, ignore all the moral issues that clearly were grounds for impeachment. Forget the rape allegations by Broaddrick, the masturbating in the sink of the oval office bathroom, all the tickle-the-weenie stuff in the oval office, his groping of women and on and on. Forget all the illegal chinese campaign donations and the subsequent sale of technology to China, against the Pentagon’s objections, because it was clear the technology could have military implications. Charlie Trie, John Huang, the whole stinking mess.

Forget the entire stench that is Bill Clinton and was his administration, just concentrate on a lie about fooling around with the adolescent blimp. That’s what Gingrich pushed on the GOP, the idiots listened, and now we know why Gingrich let Bubba slide.

Now he’s playing footsies with Kerry, when he’s not advising the GOP to not go after all the dirt in the PIAPS’ past.

This egomaniac still thinks he can run for President and is still owned by the Clintons. It’s time the conservative movement sent this loser packing and stop listening to the self-serving advise he’s so eager to spew.


174 posted on 04/11/2007 8:12:12 AM PDT by Beatthedrum
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To: AuntB

Newt is becoming another wimp-out artist!!


175 posted on 04/11/2007 8:39:39 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: campg
Newt taught Environmental Science and cares about the planet. He also knows how to generate discussion and get people thinking in ways that may not appear on the surface to make conservative sense. We’ll have to see where he goes from here.

When I make up my mind, it's made up, campg. You can have the responsibility of seeing where Newt goes. I don't care anymore. Too bad too, because I've supported him and liked him in the past. Should go back to acedemia and debate just how much government (US & UN) involvement is needed in the war on global warming.

176 posted on 04/11/2007 9:28:42 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Miss Marple

I didn’t follow the Katrina boondoggle. If I’d seen Newt supporting such a “Marshall Plan” for the Gulf he would never have been on my list.

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”

—James Madison


177 posted on 04/11/2007 9:53:32 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: devolve

178 posted on 04/11/2007 12:08:17 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch

I hope algore’s mansion is burning electricity and natural gas at record rates now!

Great graphic potlatch!

Sheryl Crowe is off on her “Global Warming Bus Tour” while April snow is falling in Texas where she is starting out from!

The photo ops and Google satellite photos of algore’s, Heinz-Kerry’s, and Hillary’s homes covered with April snow and ice will make great April Fool’s Day cards for decades!


179 posted on 04/11/2007 2:00:00 PM PDT by devolve ( ........upload images free & fast at tinypic.com or Photobucket or Imagecave)
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To: devolve
[Great graphic potlatch!] And they are dressed - colorfully!
Too bad April Fools day just passed, as to Gore and his snowy mansion.

Sad news, ‘?’ Hart, the creator of BC comic strip died. His caveman cartoon strip always had a religious under-theme to it.

180 posted on 04/11/2007 2:07:22 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch

I read that Hart died at his storyboard working on the comicstrips he created and love to share

The world will miss him but remember him always


181 posted on 04/11/2007 2:28:16 PM PDT by devolve ( ........upload images free & fast at tinypic.com or Photobucket or Imagecave)
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To: devolve; pookie18

[I read that Hart died at his storyboard ]

Yes, I was going to write that but for some reason couldn’t bring the word ‘storyboard’ to mind at the time.

Pookie18’s thread has a bunch of tribute posts from other cartoonists on it, very nice.


182 posted on 04/11/2007 2:32:43 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch

I’ll see if I can get on that thread to see it -


183 posted on 04/11/2007 2:40:49 PM PDT by devolve ( ........upload images free & fast at tinypic.com or Photobucket or Imagecave)
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To: devolve

They are all at the top of the list of graphics. Still slow loading I’m sure.


184 posted on 04/11/2007 2:42:23 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: ElkGroveDan; calcowgirl; Carry_Okie; NormsRevenge; tubebender; hedgetrimmer; forester; ...
Finally, many of my FRiends are beginning to see that Tom Delay's recent book told the truth about the former Speaker. He's brilliant, but completely un-anchored in principled beliefs and tends to lurch from pillar to post!!!

Even back in 1994 he exhibited GANG-GREEN sympathies and seemed to buy into that old horse poopoo that Teddy Roosevelt was some sort of EnvironMentalista. TR wasn't even a constitutionalist. He believed, contrary to everyone from the founders to contemporary leaders of his time, that if the constitution didn't forbid it, the POTUS was authorized to just DO IT!!!

The GANG-GREENERs of today like to claim TR was one of them and co-opt another Republican to their ruthless, remorseless, relentless jaugernaut!!! (Just like they now do with Arnold the Spoiler!)

185 posted on 04/11/2007 2:58:05 PM PDT by SierraWasp (CA is pleagued with a GANG-GREENOUS REPELLICAN GOVERNOR!!! He's worsened the Gray Davis' MESS!!!)
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To: potlatch

I made it!

Took a while to load -

But great tribute ‘Toons!


186 posted on 04/11/2007 3:21:53 PM PDT by devolve ( ........upload images free & fast at tinypic.com or Photobucket or Imagecave)
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To: devolve

Yes it was, glad you saw it!


187 posted on 04/11/2007 3:23:13 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch

I was lucky this time -

What a great talent he had and a wonderful career!


188 posted on 04/11/2007 3:28:14 PM PDT by devolve ( ........upload images free & fast at tinypic.com or Photobucket or Imagecave)
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To: devolve
We are off topic here but perhaps can interject a bit of religiousness into Gore’s world. Things like telling the truth.

I always have been amazed at the talent it takes to turn out a funny cartoon day after day. You’ve GOT to have an active mind.

Perhaps Gore should have gone into cartooning, lol.

189 posted on 04/11/2007 3:36:08 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch

A creative mind

Hard to imagine doing that daily

Johnny Hart did it with honesty and style


190 posted on 04/11/2007 3:44:57 PM PDT by devolve ( ........upload images free & fast at tinypic.com or Photobucket or Imagecave)
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To: xjcsa
NEWT!!!
YOU CHOKE ARTIST!!!
YOU SELLOUT!!!
YOU MENTAL EUNUCH!!!
YOU SIMPERING GREENBOT!!!
BEGONE!!!

191 posted on 04/11/2007 3:51:07 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Total domination over all kingdoms under heaven will be given to the saints of YHVH. -- Daniel 7:27)
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To: SierraWasp

Debating the zombie Kerry was an opportunity for Newt to hit a grand slam homerun. Instead, Newt dug a grave and hopped in.

We can foundly remember Newt for his charge up Congressional hill in 1994 and destroying the rat enemy. But now he’s Humpty Dumpty, and all the king’s men can’t put him together again.

I’d write poem or epitaph to bury the old guy, but it’s just not in me tonight. Newt, we hardly knew you.....


192 posted on 04/11/2007 3:54:11 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Ice-cubes melting in the sun is an act of God. Get over it, Gore.)
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To: xjcsa; SierraWasp
Newt has been suspect to me since the time he went on the RUSH Limbaugh show and said he would oppose a Clinton tax package and caved the next day. RUSH just had him on his show for the first time a few weeks ago after Newt’s dis of him.

I didn't hear the show today but will listen later to see if it came up...

193 posted on 04/11/2007 5:03:44 PM PDT by tubebender (Whom keeps stealing my Tag Line???)
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To: sergeantdave
I’d write poem or epitaph to bury the old guy, but it’s just not in me tonight.

Allow me...

Newt?
Moot.
Kaput.
Boot.

194 posted on 04/11/2007 6:16:09 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Total domination over all kingdoms under heaven will be given to the saints of YHVH. -- Daniel 7:27)
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To: HKMk23; Repub4bush; rightinthemiddle; andyk; tiredoflaundry; sono; RasterMaster; markedmannerf; ...

I just posted Mark Levin’s rant about Newt from his Tuesday show.

“Tired of Newt’s roller coaster conservatism”
http://marklevinfan.com/?p=2035


195 posted on 04/12/2007 8:08:35 AM PDT by MarkLevinFan
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To: MarkLevinFan; holdonnow

Thanks! Brilliant.

I’ve loved Newt for years- while not always liking him. I started wondering WTH he was thinking during Katrina..but still thought...well he might be good at the State Dept someday..

What an idiotic idea THAT was. What was I thinking?

Never mind- I guess I wasn’t thinking:) He has really lost it this time. I’m telling you- when politicians get out of touch with AMERICANS- something really bad takes root in them.


196 posted on 04/12/2007 8:16:58 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet & FredFan)
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To: xjcsa

It just goes to show you, when you spend that much time in Washington DC, you lose touch with reality.


197 posted on 04/12/2007 8:21:04 AM PDT by lormand (Michael Wiener - the tough talking populist moron, who claims to be a Conservative)
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To: lormand

Mark’s quote here on that audio says it all about Newt:

“Now if that is your position, then you’re not as smart as I thought you were.”


198 posted on 04/12/2007 8:23:12 AM PDT by MarkLevinFan
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To: raybbr
Newt never was on my list.

A few months ago Newt was shopping himself around as a non-aspirant who would be "above the fray" and able to provide the sort of cover fire that the Republicans (independent of candidate) desperately needs. I remember being excited to see him cast in this roll because there aren"t any dhimmis who can beat him in an argument.

Now it looks like the Newt has turned into a toad. I no longer understand what his agenda is (unless it is slash & burn politics against his fellow Republicans in order to somehow position himself as a presidential candidate), but whatever his agenda is, it is turning off those who once represented his base.

Newt - croak off!

199 posted on 04/12/2007 8:26:57 AM PDT by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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To: B Knotts; All
"This is nothing new; Newt has held this position for a while."

From my post yesterday:

Newt is a realist and is trying to head the "central planners" off at the pass because they have spent many years indoctrinating people and too many of them now believe the Chicken-Little alarmist lies. Perception is reality.

Luckily, we now have an opening to turn the tables on the eco-wackos, and convince the people to go for Newt's "pleasure" solution over Kerry's "pain" solution - which is how Newt brilliantly phrased it yesterday.

I think that the fact that they picked CO-2 in the atmosphere to use as their culprit behind "anthropomorphic-induced warming" (human-induced], means that they shot themselves in the foot. The FASTEST way to reduce CO-2 in the atmosphere is to build more nuclear power plants. And if we're to be able to bring nuclear power plants on line as fast as France, China and Russia do, (5 years) that means we will have to roll back our draconian "taxes and regulations" which were deliberately designed to thwart the building of more plants.

June 26 2006 Other Inconvenient Truths - Click to listen to Newt's one and 1/2-minute spot

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March 1 2007 The Branson Prize (25 million to the scientist who can invent a ..) - Click to listen to Newt's one and 1/2-minute spot

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April 5 2007 Kerry, Gingrich announce climate showdown- HERE

Excerpt: ".... Gingrich, the architect of the “Contract with America” that led to the Republican takeover of the House in 1994, recently teamed up with conservationist Terry Maple to author A Contract with the Earth. Like his Contract with America, A Contract with the Earth, due out Nov. 1, 2007, is based on a 10-point “contract” calling for a bipartisan approach to solving climate issues.

“America should focus its energy policy in four areas,” Gingrich writes on his website. “Basic research for a new energy system, incentives for conservation, more renewable resources, and environmentally sound development of fossil fuels. “The lengthy process of environmental planning must be made more efficient and cost effective,” he adds.

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Re: the Debate on 4/10/07 mentioned below. No doubt the video of the debate will be available today or tomorrow: HERE

John Kerry, Newt Gingrich Take On Environment, Each Other
Foxnews.com Greg Simmons

The global warming debate has been heating up in Washington lately, but reached new heights Tuesday when partisan heavies Sen. John Kerry and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich went head-to-head over the issue on Capitol Hill.

What might have been a surprise to some people watching the debate was that Kerry and Gingrich were cordial, not at each other's throats, and actually agreed ­ and said so several times ­ on the key point at hand: that climate change is a problem and something needs to be done.

In their opening statements, both men made reference to the prize-fight billing, but downplayed any expectations of animosity.

"I'm sure we're going to have an interesting dialogue about this," Gingrich said with a grin during his opening remarks.

Part of what made the debate enticing was the political backdrop: Kerry was the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee and remains a Bush administration critic; and Gingrich led the conservative revolution that swept Congress in 1994 and might be positioning himself as a candidate for the presidency in 2008.

But how they said they would tackle the global warming problem is where they differed.

Talking from a podium in the Russell Senate Office Building, Gingrich argued that a program including cash prizes, targeted tax cuts and other economic incentives will lure business entrepreneurs to develop technology to tackle the climate problem. He said that type of program would be faster than a bureaucratic government program because it will avoid the rush of special interests to avoid regulation and costly litigation.

Kerry said he favors government regulation first because markets, while they work, cannot act fast enough to tackle the looming problem he pointed to frequently: reaching the "tipping point" level of greenhouse gases of 450 parts per million. Scientists believe that level of greenhouse gases would seriously hurt worldwide economies. Kerry also advocated a so-called cap-and-trade program that would set economy-wide carbon emission limits.

Gingrich began first with a concession to his opponent. Holding the new book by Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, Gingrich said, "This is a very good book. As a clearly right-wing reader, I would commend the book" as one that shows examples of local leadership on environmental issues.

"I would agree with about 60 percent of this book," he added.

Kerry of Massachusetts also took a friendly stance in his opening remarks before turning to the debate, which was sponsored by the New York University Robert Wagner School of Public Service, the Brookings Institution and the Cato Institute.

"While I don't have his book in hand, and I don't know what it's about, I've always enjoyed every dialogue he and I have ever had," Kerry said, calling the global-warming face-off the "environmental version of the Lincoln-Douglas debates."

Gingrich said he will be pushing for a way to deal with climate change that is not heavy on regulation ­ a point on which he criticized Kerry's plan.

"I want to suggest that we need a new science- and technology-based, entrepreneurial, market-oriented and locally led environmentalism," Gingrich said.

Gingrich raised some discrepancies among the science that has led to the current data on climate change, but when asked pointedly about science doubters, like Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., Gingrich strongly held the case that climate change is a problem.

"What would you say to Sen. Inhofe and others in the Senate who are resisting even science? What's your message to them here today?" Kerry asked.

"My message, I think is that the evidence is sufficient that we should move towards the most effective possible steps to reduce carbon loading in the atmosphere ­"

"And do it urgently, now?" Kerry interrupted.

"Urgently, yes," Gingrich said. [[[Yes- we have urgently needed to go to nuclear energy, etc., for many years but the environmentalist-whacko base of the DemocRAT party have stopped us cold. But Nuclear power is the only option if we head towards a low carbon, hydrogen economy - a hydrogen economy requires vast amounts of energy which only nuclear can provide. "75% of France's energy supplies are derived from nuclear generation. ..concerns voiced throughout the industry is the dearth of skilled technicians and engineers, the result of an industry perceived for years as having no future. Nuclear Regulatory Commission officials regularly cite access to qualified staff as a prerequisite to approving a ramp-up of the industry. "There are still quite a few challenges facing the industry, starting with the fact that they haven't built one of these plants in a long time. .." 10/16/06 HERE ]]]

But Gingrich also said that up to now, conservatives have been slow to loathe with environmental policy because, he said, "For most of the last 30 years, the environment has a been a powerful emotional tool for bigger government and higher taxes. And therefore if you're a conservative, if you hear these arguments, you know what's coming next."

"So even though it might be the right thing to do, you might end up fighting it because you don't want the bigger government and the higher taxes."

Gingrich said there must be a "green conservatism." [Newt knows that there already is a Green Conservatism]

"There has to be a willingness to stand up and say, alright, here's the right way to solve these as seen by our values system," Gingrich said. [See above]

Gingrich said there needs to be more money available in the form of incentives to find better ways of bringing forward new technology.

"Regulation and litigation are the least effective" ways to get change.

Kerry said he's not against a market-based approach, but he believes that the nation's corporations and international governments will not take more environmentally friendly measures without U.S. government response.

"Ladies and gentleman, this is a moral obligation. [[[ - Yes. Kerry knows it's not nice to fool 'Mother Gaia' - ]]]

It's one in which we can [make] money. [[[ Ahhhh yes - "the money" - as in "follow the money."]]]

That's what those business leaders realize. We need to show the leadership. It's the only way to get China and India to participate, and that's why you have to take this with a global pricing of carbon ­ certainly economy wide in the United States to start with­ and we need to offer the leadership."

Kerry argued that Gingrich's position doesn't allow for fast enough action. [[[ Here comes the "bum's rush" to get emotion-driven fools to "act fast" (before their brains - if any - have a chance to get into gear), and agree to the harmful and painful "solutions" that big government central planners have in mind to separate the useful idiots from their money and other resources. ]]]

"He takes the consensus of the U.N. report, but then essentially says, what we need to do is encourage the marketplace to go out and respond, and to unleash science, to unleash technology," Kerry said.

He contended that Gingrich's solution won't deal with "the crises that we have to respond to immediately, quickly," and added that Gingrich's stance is "like saying, 'Barry Bonds, go investigate steroids.' "

Also see HERE bttt

200 posted on 04/12/2007 8:38:42 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (To have no voice in the Party that always sides with America's enemies is a badge of honor.)
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