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The Code Used in the Anthrax Letters
via E Mail | 04/11/07 | vanity

Posted on 04/11/2007 3:35:26 PM PDT by genefromjersey

Anthrax investigator Ross Getman gave me permission to quote this article in full.

The Code Used In The Anthrax Letters By Ross E. Getman

Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell told a recent conference in Washington, D.C.:

"People often ask me what keeps you up at night; what do you worry about? If someone were to have a sophisticated attack on our financial services system, let's just say cyber networks broadly, at the same time that they mailed through U.S. mail, FedEx, and UPS the equivalent of letters sprinkled with anthrax throughout the country, it would have a devastating impact. If you chose the right time, right place, right season, it may have a maybe even more overwhelming devastating impact."

While by his account in that speech, he starts his day at 4:00 a.m., let's consider whether Mr. McConnell has made the time to brief the President on the code used in the earlier anthrax letters.

(1) Atta's "Jenny" Code and the Jennifer Lopez Letter

The goofy letter sent to the publisher of the National Enquirer and Sun tabloids in Florida sought to dissuade Jennifer Lopez from a planned marriage. “Wedding” is known Al Qaeda-speak for “event” or “attack.” In the Summer of 2001, Mohammed Atta was communicating with a terrorist contact in Germany. He used tradecraft code in these contacts -- he used the code "Two sticks, a dash and a cake with a stick down" to convey to his contact the intended date of the 9/11 attack. In sending these emails to Germany, Atta pretended to be writing to an imaginary girlfriend named "Jenny." Khalid Mohammed used a similar code in communicating with Ramzi Binalshibh during the period, instructing Binalshibh to send "the skirts" to "Sally". (The 9/11 Commission Staff noted that "Sally" was Zacarias Moussaoui.) KSM admits that upon the death of military commander Atef, he came to supervise the cell planning on attacking the United States with weaponized anthrax. In 2003, after the interrogation of regional operative Hambali, "extremely virulent" anthrax was found at a house in Kandahar that could be readily weaponized. Al Qaeda had it prior to 9/11.

Stevens noted at the time it was especially odd given that the Sun did not deal with celebrities, which was the subject of the sister-paper Globe. Stevens' fellow photo editor Roz Suss was looking over his shoulder: "With that Bob says to me, 'Hey, I think there's something gold in here. It looks like a Jewish star sticking out of the powder.' I walked up behind him and reached over his shoulder. I pulled this little star out of what looked like a mound of powder in this letter." "It looked like something from a Cracker Jacks box," she says. She picked it out of the powder and tossed it in her wastebasket. Stevens' colleague Bobby Bender recalls opening a large envelope to Jennifer Lopez, care of the Sun. In it was a cigar tube containing a cigar, a small Star of David charm, and somethiing that seemed like soap powder. According to an early National Enquirer, Stevens held it up to his face and then put it down on the keyboard (where traces of anthrax were found). The publisher's wife was the real estate broker who rented to two of the hijackers. Small world, eh? KSM’s assistant in supervising the anthrax cell was Hambali, who along with two colleagues considered attacking an Israeli restaurant, with a Star of David above it, in the Khao San Rd. backpacker area in Bangkok.

Jennifer Lopez' fame had withstood a number of underperforming movies, to include the movie "The Cell" in the year 2000. In the movie, following a trail of bodies, an FBI agent tracks down and captures a disturbed serial killer. Before the killer can reveal the whereabouts of his next victim (a woman trapped in a cell on the verge of drowning), he falls into a coma. Enter FBI psychologist Lopez, who uses a radical link to the killer's brain that could destroy her own sanity. "Her mission: Find the cell's location before time runs out, and avoid getting trapped inside the killer's head." How apt.

Mrs. Stevens explained:

"They get strange letters sometimes, and the consensus seems to be that if Robert wasn't wearing his glasses and if it was something funny, he would hold the letters up to his face. They think perhaps that's how he got it. Just bad luck."

The CIA knows that wedding is Al-Qaeda-speak for an event. That, according to New York Times journalists, is why the CIA got so anxious to have the Buffalo boys arrested. Apart from an email about a "big feast," they had started talking about a planned wedding. Interpreting such code is not without risk. The CIA kicked down the door in Bahrain and dragged him away from the altar to the horror of his bride-to-be.

What does the J.Lo letter tell us about the sender, or senders? J.Lo is what they used to call a "sex bomb" - and the biggest one at the time. She had international fame. The vehicle had a "weird" love letter, a Star of David, maybe a cigar. Who has "issues" and weird obsessions with women, sex (with a cigar being a crude symbol) and Jewish symbolism? Atta, for example, had strict instructions in his will about what women would be allowed to do at his funeral. Follow the anomalies.

Two of the hijackers had subscriptions to AMI publications, as did at least one other Al Qaeda operative in contact with Atta in the summer of 2001.

(2) "School"

"Greendale" School is the return address of the anthrax letters to Senators Daschle and Leahy -- two Senators who played key roles in both appropriations to Israel and Arab secular regimes and the rendering of senior Egyptian Islamic Jihad leaders. In December 2002, the Arabic paper London Al-Sharq al-Awsat reported that correspondence on Zawahiri's computer (which was obtained by the Wall Street Journal) shows Zawahiri uses "school" as code for Egyptian Islamic Jihad. The letter was found on Al Zawahiri's computer. The letter was designed to look innocent. It was dated 3 May 2001 and signed "Dr. Nour, Chairman of the Company." Nour was one of Zawahiri's aliases. In this context, it was Egyptian Islamic Jihad, not Al Qaeda, of which he was Chairman.

"We have been trying to go back to our main, previous activities. The most important step was the opening of the school. We have made it possible for the teachers to find openings for profitable trade."

The letter read:

"To: Unknown From: Ayman al-Zawahiri Folder: Letters Date: May 3, 2001

The following is a summary of our situation: We are trying to return to our previous main activity. The most important step was starting the school, the programs of which have been started. We also provided the teachers with means of conducting profitable trade as much as we could. Matters are all promising, except for the unfriendliness of two teachers, despite what we have provided for them. We are patient. [This apparently refers to an internal dispute with two senior London Egyptian islamists].

As you know, the situation below in the village [Egypt] has become bad for traders [jihadis]. Our Upper Egyptian relatives have left the market, and we are suffering from international monopolies. Conflicts take place between us for trivial reasons, due to the scarcity of resources. We are also dispersed over various cities. However, God had mercy on us when the Omar Brothers Company [the Taliban] here opened the market for traders and provided them with an opportunity to reorganize, may God reward them. Among the benefits of residence here is that traders from all over gather in one place under one company, which increases familiarity and cooperation among them, particularly between us and the Abdullah Contracting Company [bin Laden and his associates]. The latest result of this cooperation is … the offer they gave. Following is a summary of the offer:

Encourage commercial activities [jihad] in the village to face foreign investors; stimulate publicity; then agree on joint work to unify trade in our area. Close relations allowed for an open dialogue to solve our problems. Colleagues here believe that this is an excellent opportunity to encourage sales in general, and in the village in particular. They are keen on the success of the project. They are also hopeful that this may be a way out of the bottleneck to transfer our activities to the stage of multinationals and joint profit. We are negotiating the details with both sides."

The full message, decoded, is thought to say:

"We have been trying to go back to our military activities. The most important step was the declaration of unity with al-Qaeda. We have made it possible for the mujahideen to find an opening for martyrdom. As you know, the situation down in Egypt has become bad for the mujahideen: our members in Upper Egypt have abandoned military action, and we are suffering from international harassment."

But Allah enlightened us with His mercy when Taliban came to power. It has opened doors of military action for our mujahideen and provided them with an opportunity to re-arrange their forces. One benefit of performing jihad here is the congregation in one place of all mujahideen who came from everywhere and began working with the Islamic Jihad Organization. Acquaintance and cooperation have grown, especially between us and al-Qaeda."

Dr. Jean Rosenfeld, a researcher associated with the UCLA Center for the Study of Religion, and an expert on the symbolism of religious extremist movements, wrote me: "Greendale' to me signified a conscious choice to use the symbolic color of Islam." She continued: "The franked eagle on the envelope of the anthrax letters was identical to the one I caught on a documentary that showed a one-second shot of the site where Sadat was assassinated -- the huge eagle above the podium where he was when he died. That assassination was of great significance to Egyptian Jihad and produced the pamphlet by Faraj that justifies "fard 'ayn"/individual duty as the basis of jihadist doctrine." She explained that "AQ is rooted in Egypt and Salafism, not Saudi Arabia and Wahhabism. Al-Zawahiri, I believe, is intensely nostalgic for the Nile Valley."

The CIA factbook explains that the color green -- such as used by anthrax lab technician Yazid Sufaat in naming his lab "Green Laboratory Medicine" , and by the mailer who used the return address "Greendale School" -- is the traditional color of islam. Green symbolizes islam, Mohammed and the holy war. In its section on Saudi Arabia, and the "Flag Description:," the CIA "Factbook" explains that the flag is "green with large white Arabic script (that may be translated as There is no God but God; Muhammad is the Messenger of God) above a white horizontal saber (the tip points to the hoist side); green is the traditional color of Islam."

"Green is the color of the prophet Mohammed who himself declared it his favourite color and who's cloak and turban were green. Even today only his direct successors - the Kaliphs - are allowed to wear a green turban. The Holy Banner - the most precious relic of Islam - is green with golden embroidery. Mohammed supposedly carried this very banner into the holy war which resulted in conquering Mecca. Green is also the predominating color in Paradise where it stands for flowery fields and eternal oases. Green is the color of the Arabic League and many Arabic countries have included green in their national flags as it symbolizes the unity of all arabic nations. Green is also the life-giving color of all desert peoples."

Al Qaeda anthrax lab technician Yazid Sufaat and Zacarias Moussaoui used the name Green Laboratory Medicine as the name of the company that he used, for example, to buy 4 tons of ammonium nitrate, and that he used to cover his anthrax production program. In a Hadith the Messenger of Allah explains that the souls of the martyrs are in the hearts of green birds that fly wherever they please in Paradise.

Green dale refers to green "river valley" -- Egypt, Cairo, Egyptian Islamic Jihad and/or Egyptian Islamic Group. Put it all together and you have their new official name (though the American press does not use it) -- Qaeda al Jihad. For what it is worth, at the Darunta complex where jihadis trained, recruits would wear green uniforms, except for Friday when they would be washed.

A similar type of coded talk was used around the same period between Atta and Binalshibh as they approached the zero hour of 11 September. Code phrases included:

Faculty of Fine Arts/arts = Pentagon Faculty of Town Planning = World Trade Center Faculty of Law = The Capitol politics = White House White Meat = Americans Terminal = Indonesia Market = Malaysia Hotel = Philippines Village = Egypt

In the conversations that the blind sheikh's spokesman, Sattar, had with people like Taha, al-Sirri, and the sheikh's son, Ahmed, they used the same language found in emails between Zawahiri and the Yemeni cell. If a brother was in the hospital, it meant he was in prison. If he had an accident, it meant perhaps that Egyptian security services had killed him.

Given that using the same address helps the second recipient receiving the letter to identify it and avoid opening it, the perp would have no reason to use the same address unless he was communicating something and wanted to draw attention to it.

On the return address, Greendale School purported to be in Franklin Park where fugitive Adnan El-Shukrijumah worshipped along with others who now have been indicted. The pilot El Shukrijumah is said to be at the level of Mohammed Atta and is thought to have been associated with Aafia Siddiqui, an MIT-trained biologist. Mohammed Atta lived 11 miles away from this mosque across from Franklin Park. Holy Cross hospital -- where Dr Tsonas treated Flight 93 hijacker Ahmad al-Haznawi for a suspicious leg lesion that he and other experts think was due to cutaneous anthrax -- is only 7 miles from the mosque. Al-Haznawi had just come from Kandahar where the "extremely virulent" anthrax had been found and where Sufaat's anthrax lab was located. Is it all a coincidence? Possibly. Certainly, it is speculative and the relevant information is classified. Sufaat's two principal assistants, a Sudanese man and an Egyptian man, were captured in 2003.

The coded e-mail Faris wrote back to KSM suggesting that the idea of removing bolts from the span of the Brooklyn Bridge was not a viable idea was but one of many examples of the simple codes used by Al Qaeda operatives. Sometimes it might be Iyman Faris' reference to the weather or Ramzi Binalshibh's "shirts" for Sally. Sometimes the code might be as simple as Adham Hassoun's "stuff" for the local soccer team in places like Bosnia or his references to a young man who wanted to go out and get some "fresh air" [go join the jihad]. Sometimes it might be a reference to Greendale School or a marriage proposal to Jenny such as in the case of the anthrax mailings.

But putting aside this question of nuptials, impending or annulled, the fact remains that the sender of the anthrax letters would have had no reason to use the same address on the second letter unless he was communicating something. That identical return address, in fact, helped authorities locate and intercept the letter to a Senator.

(3) "In The Hearts Of Green Birds" (Inside Green Birds)

It was widely published among the militant islamists that martyrs go to paradise "in the hearts of green birds." The stamp used in the anthrax mailings was designed by artist Michael Doret. Mr. Doret advises me that the color of the eagle is a “teal” or greenish-blue.

In the very interview in which they admitted 9/11, and described the codes used for the four targets for the planes, KSM and Ramzi Binalshibh admitted to the Jenny code, the code for representing the date 9/11, and used the symbolism of the "Green Birds." Osama Bin Laden later invoked the symbolism in his video "The 19 Martyrs", describing a hijacker as "A man of worship who enjoined good and forbade evil. His body was on earth but his heart roamed with the green birds that perch beneath the Throne of the Most Merciful."

9-11 plotter Ramzi Binalshibh a few months earlielr in his interview with al-Jazeera, in a lengthy and articulate essay "The Nineteen Lions" published by Azzam Publications on December 2002, explained:

"One of the explanations of the Quranic verse [3:169] in which Allah says that the shuhadaa (martyrs) are not dead, is that as well as their souls being inside the hearts of green birds, they are alive because the shaheed (martyr) gives life to those around him. Indeed evidence of this is apparent throughout the Ummah today."

Peter Finn of the Washington Post explains the symbolism:

"Around 7 one evening during Ramadan in 1998, the believers filed down a long corridor leading to the prayer room of the Al Muhadjirin mosque here, placing their shoes on the dark brown shelves before stepping onto a carpet the color of turquoise, a mixture of green for Islam and blue for heaven. Among the worshipers was a small group of men who clustered around a severe, slight Egyptian named Mohamed Atta. ..

In the [9/11/2002] interview with al-Jazeera, Binalshibh, said that Al-Shehhi, even before he learned of the operation, used to have beautiful visions that he flies in the sky with huge green birds and crashes into things."

A FAQ on Al Qaeda's website, the Azzam Publications website, explained that "In the Hearts of Green Birds" refers to what is inside: “The actual Arabic word used in the Hadith is not Qalb (heart) but it is Jowf which can mean any of interior, inside, or heart (as in center).” There was a video based on the hadith with the title "In The Hearts of Green Birds" about foreign mujahideen that had been martyred in Bosnia. The audiocasette was created in August 1996 and its 3rd edition was released in January 1997. The website selling the "In the Hearts of Green Birds" audiocassette was shut down after 9/11 because authorities thought it might contain codes and instructions to militants. posted an exclusive interview with Ayman al-Zawahiri and stressed the importance of cash donations and gas masks and chemical-resistant suits. Ibn Khattab, the Arab Chechnyan fighter who was Bin Laden's good friend, had told his public that was highly recommended and that only the two charities identified by the website should be used to route donations -- announcing in 2000 that Benevolence International Foundation was one of the charities that should be used. The other was the Islamic Assembly of North America ("IANA"). Ibu al-Khattab, the late Arab-Afghan commander of foreign mujahideen in Chechnya (who in March 2002 was killed by a poison letter), expressly endorsed Azzam Publications. had "no bricks and mortar address, but operates a post office box in London, and bill[ed] itself as "an independent media organisation providing authentic news and information about jihad and the Foreign Mujahideen everywhere." One posting datelined from the southern Afghan city of Kandahar and was a message to Muslim youth from top terror suspect Bin Laden. A farewell message from Azzam Publications .. exhorts "Muslims all over the World (to) render as much financial, physical, medical, media and moral support to the Taliban as they can." Azzam also urged those with computer expertise to mirror the website so as to keep it up after authorities took it down. One can access old websites as they existed on past dates through and its wonderful Wayback Machine.

British and US intelligence sources suspected that some of's jihad photos and graphics contain messages embedded with a technology known as steganography. The code instead perhaps was there separately for all to see on the stamps of the lethal missives being sent.

A man formerly known as Paul Hall, was arrested in Phoenix on a federal criminal complaint in March 2007 and agreed to be removed to District of Connecticut for further prosecution where there has been investigation of Azzam Publications website located on a server there He is alleged to have provided classified information to the London-based Azzam Publications about a U.S. Navy battle group as it traveled from California to the Persian Gulf region in 2001. He allegedly "described a recent force protection briefing given aboard his ship, voiced enmity toward America, praised Osama bin Laden and the mujahedeen [and] praised the October 2000 attack on the USS Cole."

Even Zarqawi invoked the imagery in a 60-minute audio message:

"The martyrs rejoice in the bounty provided by God. Their souls are inside the bodies of green birds that fly in heaven."

In Fall 2004, the federal authorities indicted the fellow behind Azzam Publications selling "Green Birds," Babar Ahmad, pointing, in part, to the "distribution of videotapes and compact discs depicting fighters in Bosnia, Chechnya and elsewhere, and the eulogizing of dead fighters, for the purpose of recruiting individuals and soliciting donations to support the mujahideen in Afghanistan and Chechnya." Of Pakistani descent, Ahmad is a British computer specialist. He is associated with KSM, who had anthrax production documents on his laptop and admits to having headed the cell (after Atef’s death) planning to use weaponized anthrax against the United States. Ahmad is also the cousin of Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan, who was arrested mid-2004 in Pakistan. Khan’s computers carried detailed surveillance of five financial buildings in New York, Newark and Washington and once prompted the Department of Homeland Security to elevate the threat alert level to orange.

In an affidavit, an FBI special agent and computer investigative specialist, alleged that a New Brunswick, NJ man, Mazen Mokhtar, assisted Babar in maintaining the continued operation of the Azzam sites, through the use of mirror sites, when the administrators of Azzam sites shut down the site down after 9/11. The mirror sites, and, allegedly routed people trying to access The affidavit alleges that Mr. Mokhtar is listed as the administrative contact for the mirror sites. He also operated A friend reports: "He said he used to run a hosting service four or five years ago that used to resell Web hosting services to people. He said he didn't know those guys (mentioned in court papers) and he is not involved in anything like that." An Egyptian-born imam and political activist, he is a supporter of Palestinian cause and frequent speaker before groups in Brooklyn and the Bronx. He is said to be nice and seems a man of peace.

Of course, given that the symbolism used in this regard in the anthrax mailings had an origin in religious writing, there is no direct tie with the website -- the tie could be with the hadith. The webmaster has said that the FBI allowed it to remain up (while it moved from server to server) for another year hoping to get leads on supporters.

Bin Laden was using "Green Birds" in the same way he used the repeated phrase "Looming Tower" to hint of what was to come with the planes attack on the World Trade Center. He would say:

"Wherever you are, death will find you, even in the looming tower."

On October 7, 2001 in a prerecorded tape aired October 7, Bin Laden said "The winds of faith have come." This would be enough to keep Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell up at night -- or when he does sleep, to keep him dreaming about green birds.

(4) KSM and Clouds (Al-Sahab)

In admitting that he had taken over supervising the development of anthrax for use against the US, Khalid Mohammed separately noted that "I was the Media Operations Director for Al-Sahab or 'The Clouds,' under Dr. Ayman Al-Zawahiri.

The flagship of American Media, Inc. described the letter sent AMI as follows:

“Bobby Bender came around the corner with this letter in the upturned palms of his hands,” said photo assistant Roz Suss, a 13-year Sun staffer.

“It was a business-size sheet of stationery decorated with pink and blue clouds around the edges.”

(5) Allusion to Both Atta and Genomic Sequencing of Ames Strain

The writing of the text of the letter is also interesting in that the "As" and "Ts" are double-lined -- to suggest ATTA, the lead hijacker.

When the US Centers for Disease Control first identified that the Ames strain had been used in the mailng to Florida in October 2001, Dr. Paul Keim and his colleagues at The Institute for Genomic Research (TIGR) had nearly finished a project to sequence Bacillus anthracis— specifically, the chromosome of an anthrax isolate from a laboratory in Porton Down, U.K. Ayman had a microbiologist attending Porton Down-sponsored conferences at which presentations were made about the sequencing of Ames. The Defense Intelligence Agency provided me the correspondence between the scientist and Zawahiri. And, sure, enough, the letter writer appears to have even double-lined A's and T's in the letters possibly to simultaneously allude to Atta and the genomic sequence. The hazmat courier who delivered anthrax to Dr. Keim’s lab emailed me this past week to say that he was interviewed twice -- once in March 2002 and then in January 2003. It was in January 2003 that the FBI had come to be fixated on whether any middle eastern man had come to have access to anthrax at the lab. The FBI thus apparently has been clued into the code used in the letter years ago.

As explained at the Porton Down conferences attended by Ayman's operative Abdur Rauf, Keim's research team eventually discovered 60 new 'markers' in the Bacillus anthracis genome—DNA sequences that may vary from one isolate to another. These include insertions or deletions of DNA, and short sequences that are repeated at different lengths in the genome known as VNTRs (variable-number tandem repeats). A decade earlier, it had been determined that one of three proteins comprising anthrax toxin, and the first nucleotide sequence to be reported from B. anthracis (by USAMRIID authors no less), had a consensus TATAAT sequence located at the putative -10 promoter site. It is all greek to me but apparently something with meaning to the person who drafted the letter. Perhaps the sender was saying that the bacteria was pathogenic unlike what had been sent to the Canadian immigration minister six months earlier when a bail hearing was announced for the manager of Bin Laden’s farm in Sudan. The man was a shura member of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad.

This and the other coding together may have served to tell the world, for example, that Mohammed Atta and the others were going to fly to paradise on a green bird and that the anthrax was courtesy of Zawahiri’s Vanguards of Conquest. Ayman simultaneously framed the US Army and UK biodefense establishment while telling them who did it. DNI McConnell, in acknowledging at the recent conference that he perceives this threat, seems to be abiding long-honored inside-the-beltway code: CYA.

TOPICS: Anthrax Scare; Crime/Corruption; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; anthrax; clues
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1 posted on 04/11/2007 3:35:35 PM PDT by genefromjersey
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wow- you should write for a living- this is good stuff

2 posted on 04/11/2007 3:43:46 PM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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Just let me know when you need me to take J-Lo into protective custody.

3 posted on 04/11/2007 3:47:13 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: genefromjersey

Great article. Thanks!

4 posted on 04/11/2007 3:50:05 PM PDT by CCGuy (USAF (Ret.))
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To: genefromjersey; Battle Axe

Who has the anthrax ping list.

Thanks so much for posting this, gene. I’m saving to my file.

5 posted on 04/11/2007 3:52:03 PM PDT by Peach (Not banned yet. Too bad. So sad.)
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To: genefromjersey

It’s disappointing when a major written effort fails to explain in the first paragraph what it is about, and why it might be important for me to care.

6 posted on 04/11/2007 3:58:52 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: EdLake

Anthrax ping

7 posted on 04/11/2007 4:00:09 PM PDT by Perdogg (Cheney-Bolton 2008)
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To: Beelzebubba

I agree. The writer has way too much time on his hands.

8 posted on 04/11/2007 4:05:12 PM PDT by Thud
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To: Thud

That writer seems to have many, many, many facts - well strung together, I might add.

9 posted on 04/11/2007 6:01:27 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: genefromjersey

Worthy bookmark for later reading. Looks intriguing, genefromjersey. Thank you. :)

10 posted on 04/11/2007 6:04:41 PM PDT by Chena (I want a President who will also be tough against liberalism. (Kevin McCullough))
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To: Beelzebubba
It’s disappointing when a major written effort fails to explain in the first paragraph what it is about, and why it might be important for me to care.

The headline of the article could be compared to a topic sentence. The headline alone suggests that it might be important for you to care. ;)

11 posted on 04/11/2007 6:07:11 PM PDT by Chena (I want a President who will also be tough against liberalism. (Kevin McCullough))
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To: Chena

I guess the weaponized anthrax could not have come from Iraq as it is now known that they did not have WMDs in Iraq...

I also believe Saddam was attending Sunday School at the time

12 posted on 04/11/2007 6:22:53 PM PDT by woofie
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To: genefromjersey; nw_arizona_granny; Calpernia; Cindy; nwctwx; callmejoe

Very intersting, Gene.

Green birds
Shukrijumah et al

13 posted on 04/11/2007 8:00:35 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: genefromjersey
why the CIA got so anxious to have the Buffalo boys arrested. Apart from an email about a "big feast," they had started talking about a planned wedding.

Lackawana six ?

14 posted on 04/11/2007 9:23:34 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: genefromjersey

good article, info sure not to be found anywhere else.

15 posted on 04/11/2007 9:54:06 PM PDT by Ieatfrijoles (Incinerate Riyadh Now.(Request shot splash))
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To: genefromjersey
Been a fan of his website since the fall of ‘02. The vast
data of his website is simply postulations, but due to my
personal experiences, I know he is searching in the
correct neck of the woods....JJ61 P.S. Just don't forget, that the Bureau, Congress and all the website holders out there can become beholden to their own data and views on the facts.
16 posted on 04/11/2007 10:19:27 PM PDT by JerseyJohn61 (Better Late Than Never.......sometimes over lapping is worth the effort....)
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To: genefromjersey; Mitchell; cgk; Peach; Allan; Shermy; FairOpinion; oceanview; TrebleRebel; EdLake; ..

Anthrax ping list.

Let me know if you want on or off.

17 posted on 04/12/2007 9:09:10 AM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: genefromjersey

I dismiss the J-Lo letter because since so many handled it, more would have contracted the pathogen. I’m sure there was a J-Lo letter, but I do not think it came from Atta. However, I do think the J-Lo letter and the anthrax letter were in the building at approximately the same time.

It sure could have been a decoy from Atta. What I am saying is that the J-Lo letter did not contain the anthrax. The reference (and I've seen it before) to the extremely virulent strain found in Kandahar......what is it??? We know there are 89 genotypes. If it is 62 with the mutant inversion on the plasmid, then we have a connection to the Taliban.

I think we are getting close and my hat is off to the senators and congressmen trying to get an answer.

I was interviewed too. But later....when someone caught on about the destruction. They were interested in my time at ISU, what did I see, who did I know, did I know if they had bio level 3 clearance.


18 posted on 04/12/2007 9:15:55 AM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Perdogg
Anthrax ping

Yes, I saw it and put it on my web site yesterday because it was on the Post Office employee's magazine web site. Thanks.

To me it's just a lot of words about nothing of interest.

If find it incredible that so many people believe that al Qaeda was behind the anthrax attacks when the FACTS so clearly indicate otherwise:

1. The 9/11 hijackers were all DEAD at the time of the attacks.

2. No anthrax was found anywhere they went.

3. No al Qaeda member was ever found in the U.S. who possessed anthrax.

4. No connection of any kind has ever been found between the attacks and al Qaeda.

5. The letters show evidence that al Qaeda was NOT behind the attacks:

5.a. The letters contain medical advice to help the recipient avoid infection, which does not fit with al Qaeda actions.

5.b. The letters show that precautions were taken to minimize damage, which does not fit al Qaeda's actions.

5.c. There was no followup attack.

5.d. There was enough anthrax in the letters to kill hundreds, if not thousands, yet the actual deaths appear to have been unintentional.

5.e. Typical al Qaeda letters contain some passages in Arabic, which the letters didn't have.

6. No evidence has been found that al Qaeda had the Ames strain.

7. There were at least 2 different grades of powder involved, which is inconsistent with preparing the powder overseas somewhere and transporting it to the U.S.

8. There is a report that the powder was made using water from the Northeastern U.S.

9. There were dozens of targets which would have made sense for al Qaeda to attack before getting to liberal Senators Daschle and Leahy.

10. It's a near certainty that the second (sophisticated) powder was made after the first (crude) powder failed to alarm anyone. And it was almost certainly made somewhere in Central New Jersey.

etc., etc., etc., etc.

So, when Ross rambles on and one about "Atta's "Jenny" Code and the Jennifer Lopez Letter," I just shake my head, because the FACTS say that the Jennifer Lopez letter did NOT contain anthrax:

1. The third floor, where the letter was opened, was the LEAST CONTAMINATED AREA IN THE BUILDING.

2. A lot of people handled the J-Lo letter but only Stevens contracted anthrax. None of the others were even contaminated, not even the person who opened it.

3. There was another letter which contained a powder which was opened in the mail room by Stephanie Dailey. She tested positive for anthrax. The area around her desk was the MOST CONTAMINATED AREA IN THE BUILDING. Bob Stevens MUST have been infected by the powder in that letter. That's what the FACTS say.

What Ross does is rehash things which have long ago been shown to be nonsense. He goes into great detail about things which have nothing to do with anything other than his belief that al Qaeda was behind the anthrax attacks. (He's going to consider this to be an ad hominem attack because I go into an analysis of his method of ignoring the facts to promote his beliefs.)

I put his article on my site as an example of this practice of ignoring facts and promoting beliefs, just as was done with that article in The International Journal of Intelligence and Counterinteligence. That article also just spouted nonsense and ignored all the facts which showed it was total nonsense. The authors of these articles appear to be looking for converts to their beliefs. The ability to totally ignore facts is a requirement for joining up.

Ed at

19 posted on 04/12/2007 9:24:13 AM PDT by EdLake
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To: genefromjersey
Lost me at the point where you missed the fact that the return address ZIP Code, if read in reverse, pointed to North Carolina where there had been some serious AlQaida supporters going to college.

There are a couple of cities with major universities that have a "Greendale" road/street/avenue. One of the places had been a lawnmower repair shop cum residence.

20 posted on 04/12/2007 9:28:31 AM PDT by muawiyah
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