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Potential organ donor was wrongly declared brain-dead
LA Times ^ | 12 April 2007 | Charles Ornstein and Tracy Weber

Posted on 04/12/2007 6:27:57 AM PDT by shrinkermd

A man whose family agreed to donate his organs for transplant upon his death was wrongly declared brain-dead by two doctors at a Fresno hospital, records and interviews show.

Only after the man's 26-year-old daughter and a nurse became suspicious was a third doctor, a neurosurgeon, brought in. He determined that John Foster, 47, was not brain-dead, a condition that would have cleared the way for his organs to be removed, records of the Feb. 21 incident show.

"It kind of blew my mind," said the daughter, Melanie Sanchez, "like they were waiting like vultures, waiting for someone to die so they could scoop them up."

Foster, who had suffered a brain hemorrhage, died 11 days later at Community Regional Medical Center in Fresno. By then, Sanchez said, his organs were not viable for donation.

The apparent close call is the second in recent months to raise questions about whether, amid a national organ shortage, doctors might be compromising the care of prospective donors. Law enforcement authorities in San Luis Obispo County are investigating whether a transplant surgeon tried to hasten the death of a 26-year-old patient last year by ordering high volumes of pain medication.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: brain; cultureofdeath; death; geneticcanibalism; ghouls; organdonor; socializedmedicine
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To: joeystoy

This is why I DO NOT check the organ donation box when I renew my driver’s license.

Me, too!!


21 posted on 04/12/2007 7:09:57 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: shrinkermd
Foster, who had suffered a brain hemorrhage, died 11 days later at Community Regional Medical Center in Fresno. By then, Sanchez said, his organs were not viable for donation.

I'm glad they saved him! [smirk]

Methinks there is a bit of confusion regarding terminal and brain dead. Brain dead is a distinct medical condition, but there are numerous other variables that can lead to a terminal prognosis for organ transplant reasons.

They tried and failed to convince the family that he was hours, days from death with no possibility of recovery, and the tighty righties are now seizing the moment to create another Shiavo for their hyperbolic BS.

Carry on! My analysis is complete.

22 posted on 04/12/2007 7:11:01 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: Texas_shutterbug
My husband and I both believe in organ donation and want to donate our organs, but ONLY when the other has determined that the patient is truly brain dead.

Using that criteria, your chances of even donating are practically nil. very few terminal patients ever achieve "brain death". What initiates transplant, is the medical fact that the patient is terminal, not brain dead.

23 posted on 04/12/2007 7:15:15 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: shrinkermd

YES, Doctors, hospitals, et al DO compromise care in order to harvest the high profit organs.

They decide, “patient will die anyways” so presto you are dead.

consider the slur of “donor cycle” for motorcycle accidents. They have a predisposition to sacrifice care in order to harvest organs right off the bat.


24 posted on 04/12/2007 7:20:56 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: shrinkermd

What should we expect from a society that kills unborn babies for their stem cells.


25 posted on 04/12/2007 7:21:35 AM PDT by sportutegrl (This thread is useless without pix.)
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To: joeystoy

Me either.


26 posted on 04/12/2007 7:25:41 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: DogBarkTree

THIS part made me cringe-

After Sanchez agreed to donate, she said, she got calls “at least twice a day” from the organ group, saying: “We have to get the body parts in a certain time. Your dad can be a life-saver to someone else. How is he doing today? Did he go up or down?”


27 posted on 04/12/2007 7:31:26 AM PDT by Muzzle_em (A proud warrior of the Pajamahadeen)
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To: rbmillerjr

YIKES!

I currently have the box checked on my DL, but the next time it is up for renewal, the box will not be checked.

I’m wondering though-
there IS ALWAYS an agenda behind every story published by the MSM. What do you suppose is their agenda in this story?


28 posted on 04/12/2007 7:33:42 AM PDT by Muzzle_em (A proud warrior of the Pajamahadeen)
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To: Iwo Jima

I don’t understand why his organs were not usable by the time he died. This tells me they were only usable while he was alive....

Hmmm.


29 posted on 04/12/2007 7:35:19 AM PDT by Muzzle_em (A proud warrior of the Pajamahadeen)
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To: Adder

Is the recipient charged for the organ?

If it is truly organ donation and saving a life and all that jazz, the doctors should be willing to do it for little or nothing, IMO, at least the organ removal part of it.


30 posted on 04/12/2007 7:39:09 AM PDT by Muzzle_em (A proud warrior of the Pajamahadeen)
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To: Cold Heat

So, are they harvesting organs before the patient is really dead? If so, this is speeding up the death, isn’t it?
Isn’t that euthanasia?


31 posted on 04/12/2007 7:41:42 AM PDT by Muzzle_em (A proud warrior of the Pajamahadeen)
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To: Cold Heat
Carry on! My analysis is complete.

Your analysis is not quite complete. There is a great deal of abuse potential with the current system. For example, a wealthy patient who is severely injured, but not really "hours away from death" becomes a candidate for organ harvesting. A couple of corrupt doctors working with the family who will inherit the estate could easily facilitate a murder.

As an anesthesiologist, I have been asked to be the one to pull the plug in the OR and pronounce the patient dead prior to harvesting. In these situations, the OR team knows nothing about the will of the patient or the character of the family.

32 posted on 04/12/2007 7:47:19 AM PDT by outofstyle
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To: shrinkermd

This is why the donor box on my drivers license is unchecked !


33 posted on 04/12/2007 7:48:39 AM PDT by 1066AD
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To: Muzzle_em
So, are they harvesting organs before the patient is really dead?

Yes. See post # 11.

34 posted on 04/12/2007 7:49:36 AM PDT by outofstyle
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To: weegee
When the State takes over health care, your best interest will NOT be the best interest of the State. And with them paying the bills, they make all the rules.

Exactly.

35 posted on 04/12/2007 7:52:57 AM PDT by syriacus (Congress should debrief Pelosi as they would any US diplomat who met with a foreign leader.)
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To: Muzzle_em
doctors should be willing to do it for little or nothing, IMO, at least the organ removal part of it.

Not a chance. This is big business and the surgeons are only a small part of it. The organizations that coordinate the procurement of organs are large bureaucracies.

36 posted on 04/12/2007 7:57:11 AM PDT by outofstyle
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To: Cold Heat
tighty righties are now seizing the moment to create another Shiavo for their hyperbolic BS.

I guess you didn't read the entire article.

37 posted on 04/12/2007 8:00:16 AM PDT by syriacus (Congress should debrief Pelosi as they would any US diplomat who met with a foreign leader.)
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To: Cold Heat
Carry on! My analysis is complete.

Yep. In your world, doctors may harvest organs from people who will die someday anyway.

Not the criteria I would use.

38 posted on 04/12/2007 8:18:56 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: HamiltonJay

I don’t want to go on the cart.....


39 posted on 04/12/2007 8:23:40 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Nothin' from Nothin' leaves Nothin')
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To: Muzzle_em
If so, this is speeding up the death, isn’t it? Isn’t that euthanasia?

Not as I see it. I think to call it Euthanasia, is not rational. Euthanasia infers the killing of living thing that was compromised medically or would have lived without intervention at the very least.

Hastening a impending death by not intervening medically could be considered killing by some, but certainly not murder by law.

In my opinion, if the death of a person is certain, hastening that death by a few days to protect the viability of needed organs that will add many years to the quality of life for multiple people is a rational thing to contemplate, assuming the person making the donation has agreed upon the terms in advance of his/her demise.

This is the root rationality of the donor system, and in this particular case, the family was not able to comply with the donors wishes and now is trying to shift the responsibility to the hospital and doctor. The fact that the family was not able to comply, happen all the time, but to try to shift the responsibility to the doctor, seems quite petty and egregious to me.

This is not rational. It is hypocrisy and emotional laden clap-trap.

40 posted on 04/12/2007 8:23:40 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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