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Wolf numbers continue to grow
Billings Gazette ^ | March 20, 2007 | MIKE STARK

Posted on 04/14/2007 7:32:16 PM PDT by george76

There are now at least 1,300 wolves prowling Montana, Idaho and Wyoming, far more than anyone imagined when the species was reintroduced in the Northern Rockies 12 years ago.

The wolf population has, on average, grown by about 26 percent a year for the past decade. The latest estimates, which summarize counts completed at the end of 2006, show they aren't slowing down.

"I keep thinking we're at the top end of the bubble," said Ed Bangs, wolf recovery coordinator for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. "I can't see that there's room for any more, but we'll see."

As the wolf population has grown, so have the reports of cattle, sheep and other livestock being killed...

It's no surprise that wolves are thriving following reintroduction in 1995 and 1996 in Yellowstone National Park and in central Idaho. Wolves are skilled predators, fast breeders and able to live in different environments.

The fastest-growing area for wolves last year was in Wyoming outside Yellowstone National Park. The number of wolves jumped by 31 percent...

With that increase, 123 cattle were reportedly killed by wolves, more than has ever been recorded in Wyoming since the reintroduction...

In Montana, the number of wolves grew by 19 percent...

The number of elk, which are wolves' primary winter prey, has declined 50 percent in the area since 1995...

The Fish and Wildlife Service said the wolf population has, for seven years, met basic recovery goals of 30 breeding pairs distributed across Montana, Wyoming and Idaho.

The agency has recommended removing wolves from the endangered species list. But the process has become mired in a conflict between the federal government and the state of Wyoming.

(Excerpt) Read more at casperstartribune.net ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; US: Colorado; US: Idaho; US: Montana; US: Oregon; US: Utah; US: Washington; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: animalrights; ar; bangs; edbangs; elk; endangered; endangeredspecies; g79; hunting; nps; sss; usfws; wildlife; wolf; wolfattacks; wolfpack; wolfpacks; wolves; wolvesattack
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1 posted on 04/14/2007 7:32:17 PM PDT by george76
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To: JB in Whitefish

“the wolves were trucked in to satisfy some inner need of enviros to control other people’s lives. We were told we had to have 30 packs/300 wolves, well of course it turns out that there was no intention of honoring that.

The whole idea is enough wolves to chase folks off their ranches...”


2 posted on 04/14/2007 7:33:26 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Shyla

for you shyla


3 posted on 04/14/2007 7:35:07 PM PDT by DollyCali (Don't tell GOD how big your storm is -- Tell the storm how B-I-G your God is!)
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To: george76

“....And the sheepherder said,’Son, you don’t seem to understand. The wolves ain’t screwing our sheep, they’re eating them.’”


4 posted on 04/14/2007 7:35:31 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: REDWOOD99

That is a great joke.

Thanks.


5 posted on 04/14/2007 7:39:45 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Huh, so man tampering with nature hasn’t turned out so well. Gee. What were the odds.


6 posted on 04/14/2007 7:42:44 PM PDT by Generic_Login_1787
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To: george76
"The number of elk, which are wolves' primary winter prey, has declined 50 percent in the area since 1995..."

Trust envirowienies to screw up the balance of nature. I'd much rather have an over polulation of elk than an over population of wolves. Elk are much more useful and worthwhile to hunt. A good sized elk fills a good sized freezer for a year. Time to open up wolf hunting.

7 posted on 04/14/2007 7:43:17 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: george76
The number of elk, which are wolves' primary winter prey, has declined 50 percent in the area since 1995...?

When will "THEY" start a program to reintroduce Elk into the region...

8 posted on 04/14/2007 7:46:14 PM PDT by tubebender (Worry gives small problems big shadows)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Too true, but the enviro whackos are vegans, so they don’t mind the decrease in elk.


9 posted on 04/14/2007 7:46:35 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: tubebender

‘They’ would love to spend our tax money on another program.


10 posted on 04/14/2007 7:52:13 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

No problem … global warming is about to wipe all life on earth out anyway.


11 posted on 04/14/2007 7:55:57 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Nathan Zachary; All

I don’t know if it was the same area, or how reliable the information was, but I heard a report that there was an overpopulation of elk which was causing overgrazing along streams and damage to water quality and fishing or something like that. Does anyone know more about that story. The bottom line was that reducing the elk population and discouraging eating along the streams was good for the overall ecosystem, according to the story.


12 posted on 04/14/2007 8:04:35 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin; Carry_Okie; Issaquahking; B4Ranch; GladesGuru; Myrddin

Sounds like another Sierra Club created urban myth ?


13 posted on 04/14/2007 8:18:59 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

This has happened because the envirowhackos have not allowed hunters to thin the herd.

Maybe it will take one of the whackos children to be bit or eaten before sanity returns.


14 posted on 04/14/2007 8:20:50 PM PDT by The Final Harvest ("... first time in history the U.S. House has attempted to surrender via C-SPAN TV ...")
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To: george76

S.S.S.


15 posted on 04/14/2007 8:22:54 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Current tagline is banned under hate speech laws.)
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To: CyberAnt

Even Ed Bangs admits that the federal government met their 30 pack goal years ago.

The USFWS gets paid to ‘manage’ the Canadian wolf introduction mess.

and spend more of our tax dollars...


16 posted on 04/14/2007 8:25:20 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: REDWOOD99

I was raised by a pack of wolves. Sheep are tasty.


17 posted on 04/14/2007 8:27:26 PM PDT by Sender ("She is the friendly face of America; where Condi frowns, Nancy smiles." (Syria))
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To: george76
I renewed my hunting license last week. The new 28" stainless steel ProHunter 30-06 barrel is mounted on the T/C Encore. The scope is sighted-in. One fat hole in the target at 100 yards with 10 rds. Just waiting for wolf tags to be issued. I'm looking for a good taxidermist too.

The weather is improving. There may be some opportunities to visit some prairie dog towns as well. It's varmint season.

18 posted on 04/14/2007 8:35:19 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: doc1019
No problem … global warming is about to wipe all life on earth out anyway.

I'm not worried about "global warming". That cycle has repeated many times over millions of years. It happens just fine without any intervention. It even happens without SUV's or "carbon credits".

The only vaguely interesting development recently is the honeybee colony collapse observation. There isn't a good explanation yet. The best prospect so far is extreme sensitivity to "neo nicotinoid" pesticides. I'm less impressed with the Ed Dames theory of blindness due to high levels of UVB. Whatever the explanation, it is a phenomenon that threatens our agricultural industry.

19 posted on 04/14/2007 8:41:58 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: tubebender

Some of the elk problem is lack of feed because of the drought.


20 posted on 04/14/2007 8:52:34 PM PDT by Big Horn (Life is a sexually transmitted disease that is 100% fatal . Author unknown)
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To: george76
"There are now at least 1,300 wolves prowling Montana, Idaho and Wyoming, far more than anyone imagined when the species was reintroduced in the Northern Rockies 12 years ago."

Horse sh**! Anyone with a brain knew it would get to this point. Consequently, the only elk I've seen in the last two years are the ones on elk farms.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

21 posted on 04/14/2007 9:02:12 PM PDT by wku man (Claire Wolfe's, is it time yet? !)
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To: george76

A while back I read that wolves and coyotes were cross breeding in the eastern US. At the time, this impressed me as creating an extremely intelligent and dangerous animal.

But I haven’t seen anything since about it.

For those of you not familiar with the behavior of either, wolves have about the same intelligence as a 5-year-old, but with advanced social skills; and coyotes are excellent tacticians, developing, communicating with each other, and executing complex schemes.

In some Native American traditions, wolves are placed about on par with humans, and coyotes are synonymous with tricksters, both crafty and ingenious.

A mix of those two animals might be something incredible.


22 posted on 04/14/2007 9:11:37 PM PDT by Popocatapetl
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To: wku man

I’ve seen a number of elk herds in SW MT over the last 12 mo.


23 posted on 04/14/2007 9:27:03 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: george76

You’re the closest to the actual issue.


24 posted on 04/14/2007 9:29:43 PM PDT by billybudd
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To: Popocatapetl

Can’t wait to see a couple pick of some kids camping at Yellowstone.


25 posted on 04/14/2007 9:35:49 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Popocatapetl

Well since they can interbreed and have offspring that aren’t sterile, they should be classified as the same species. As currently classified, gray wolves are Canis Lupus and coyotes are Canis Latrans. I’m not a biologist, so I can’t tell you why that is the case.

Anyways, it is possible that different genes give wolves their intelligence and coyotes their tactical senses. If that is the case then you fall into the two intelligent parents trap where the offspring is rarely as smart as either of the parents. Then again, it might be the same genes that are responsible for both behaviors in which case their location and lifestyles cause those specific traits to be expressed.


26 posted on 04/14/2007 9:38:29 PM PDT by burzum (Despair not! I shall inspire you by charging blindly on!--Minsc, BG2)
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To: Generic_Login_1787
Huh, so man tampering with nature hasn’t turned out so well.

Actually, it seems to have turned out great for the wolves.

27 posted on 04/14/2007 9:51:55 PM PDT by AntiGuv (sorry .. i couldn't resist!!)
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To: Myrddin

Please let me know how it goes.


28 posted on 04/14/2007 9:59:24 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: wku man

the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service “put wolves in Yellowstone Park” and created a recovery area 300 miles around the park, then “tied all the dollars to Yellowstone and openly admitted they knew wolves would leave.


29 posted on 04/14/2007 10:12:58 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Popocatapetl

There are also wolf dogs that are half wolf too.


30 posted on 04/14/2007 10:15:31 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: billybudd

After the family ranchers go broke...Ted Turner and his friends will buy up the ranch for santuary for their Hollywood friends and for ‘gentlemen’ ranching ...


31 posted on 04/14/2007 10:18:18 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Popocatapetl
I had a wolf/collie cross from 1963 until 1975. He was exceptionally intelligent and loyal. At 120 lbs, he was a very big, strong dog. His vocabulary was significant...including recognition of words spelled out. He could unlock and open sliding glass doors. Ditto for doors with a handle instead of a knob.

My dog was acquired from a newspaper ad in the Seattle, WA area when I lived in Federal Way, WA. Wolf crosses are fairly common in the area.

32 posted on 04/14/2007 11:53:32 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Popocatapetl
A mix of those two animals might be something incredible.

Wolves will ravage the "coyote problem".

33 posted on 04/15/2007 1:58:36 AM PDT by Eclectica (It only took one TV commercial to torpedo "Mr. Conservative" in 1964 Go-o-o-o RUDY!)
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To: george76

When the wolf population reaches a critical mass, folks are going to find out why there are so many tales about big, bad wolves.

Sure, they seem shy now. Wouldn’t you be, after being hunted nearly to extinction?

But wait until they expand their population base. We may find out that all those old tales were based on fact.


34 posted on 04/15/2007 3:26:02 AM PDT by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: CyberAnt

The enviro-whacko syndrome is an urban affliction. Thus the whelps of the enviro-whacko bunch will be a no risk of wolf appetitive behavior.

Repeal ESA!


35 posted on 04/15/2007 5:14:17 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: george76

“‘They’ would love to spend our tax money on another program.”

That IS their job description, isn’t it?

;-)


36 posted on 04/15/2007 5:15:33 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: gleeaikin
A very well respected scientists did quite a study of the impact of elk on aspen in Yellowstone. His findings indicated that allowing a huge herd of elk to over winter in the Park caused reduction of aspen, due to browsing of twigs, bark destruction, etc.

The worst part is that aspen are an ice age relect species, unable to reproduce by seed under present conditions. Therefore, aspen in Yellowstone reproduce via runners. What seems like a mountainside of aspen is actually ONE huge tree, all linked by underground runners.

If ParcMan’s bureau-scientists allowed the elk to eat to destruction all aspen in an area, no seeds will blow in.

Unfortunately, ParcMan so did.

When will the aspen return?

Probably, when the next ice age arrives.

37 posted on 04/15/2007 5:24:11 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: Popocatapetl

If you have any sources about such cross bred animals, please let me know. Thanks.


38 posted on 04/15/2007 5:26:37 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: bboop

In a Canadian park, a wolf tried to drag a child out of the tent where the family was sleeping.

The parents fortunately woke up and decided to administer a good rib kicking to the Big Bad Wolf. The wolf eventually dropped it’s face bite on the five year old boy and left.

I find it interesting that ParcMan and the enviro-whackos have not posted signs “interpreting” wolf behavior.


39 posted on 04/15/2007 5:32:13 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: burzum

I would suspect that the well observed “hybred vigor” might just produce a smarter pest animal in the case of a wolf/coyote mating.


40 posted on 04/15/2007 5:35:31 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: jim35
On page 109, in The Yellowstone Park Nature Book, M.P. Skinner, 1924, wrote an unambiguous summation of predator relationship to man.

Speaking of wolves, but applicable to all large bodies predators, he wrote that wolves were a risk to man in Eastern Europe and Asia where wolves did eat men. He further explained that this was due to the fact the there, wolves were “hunted only rarely and then only by the Lords of the manor”.

In America, he said they soon learned to their great regret that nearly every man and boy carried a rifle.

Please note that the Constitution guarantees to all the right to life.

Nowhere is there anything in the Constitution requiring one to be wolf scat. Nor is there anything requiring one to quarter such beasts on one’s land.

If we could force King George to stop quartering troops on our land, we surely can force President George to stop quartering wolves on our land.

If urban Blue State socialists want wolves, let them keep a wolf pack in Central Park in the heart of the Big Sh*tty.

If nothing else, the resulting conflict between the two legged urban predator population of Central park and the newly introduced Central Park Pack should be interesting for the Big Sh*tty residents to watch from the safety of their apartments facing the Park.

Ancillary benefits of this Modest Proposal would be that druggie and mugger populations would soon be reduced and Central park users would only have to worry about being eaten.

41 posted on 04/15/2007 5:50:31 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: GladesGuru

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canid_hybrid

An interesting source.


42 posted on 04/15/2007 6:19:27 AM PDT by Popocatapetl
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To: gleeaikin
The bottom line was that reducing the elk population and discouraging eating along the streams was good for the overall ecosystem, according to the story.

Elk populations can be, and are, reduced by humans hunting them, thus providing meat and outdoor activities for many people, no need to introduce elk into the system. You can control how many Elk humans kill, you can't with wolves. On top of that the story is bogus, there are no over populations of Elk in the US.

So your theory is that when the wolves reach the correct number of Elk in the area that the wolves will simply stop killing them?(snicker). Here is the way it used to work, and still does with rabbits and smaller predators. The game animals would increase in number in any given area, then the predators would increase because there was more food available to them, then the prey animals would decline because of the increased predator population and a year later the predators would start to decline, this kept things in balance.

Now, however, it doesn't work that way with the larger animals because wolves and larger predators(mountain lions)have other prey they can feed on when their main prey starts to diminish, other prey meaning domestic animals. This allows the predators to increase in numbers even though their natural prey is declining in numbers, sooner or later ALL the natural prey will be gone because the balance doesn't work when you throw in the domestic animals as an extra food supply.

This unnatural cycle is evident now in the areas where the wolves were released and in areas where lions can't be hunted(CA with their several human deaths a year due to lions spring to mind). Unless the wolves are controlled, in other words thinned out by killing, they will eventually wipe out the Elk herd, perhaps to the point of no return, and devastate the local ranchers there for ruining the economy for that area and driving meat prices sky high.

The fish and game of Wyoming and other states know all these facts, so do the enviros. The enviros have a bigger agenda and don't care if the Elk and deer die off in any given region if they can cause the demise of the ranches in those areas.

43 posted on 04/15/2007 6:33:38 AM PDT by calex59
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To: doc1019

Global Scamming is only going to wipe Capitalistic Life off the planet. It’s where all the enviro-watermelons have gone.

Pray for W and Our Troops


44 posted on 04/15/2007 6:40:00 AM PDT by bray (The Surge is Working against both enemies of America)
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To: GladesGuru

If elk are a problem, shoot them.

The deer in our suburban area are like pets. They hide out during the day in people’s backyards. ( literally). Then at night they go out an try to kill motorists. It’s like a Steven King novel.


45 posted on 04/15/2007 6:54:44 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: Myrddin
The only vaguely interesting development recently is the honeybee colony collapse observation. There isn't a good explanation yet. The best prospect so far is extreme sensitivity to "neo nicotinoid" pesticides. I'm less impressed with the Ed Dames theory of blindness due to high levels of UVB. Whatever the explanation, it is a phenomenon that threatens our agricultural industry.

An amusing article on Slashdot this morning pins it on cellphones and the like. But there are enough holes in that theory that it's quite unlikely.

46 posted on 04/15/2007 8:17:54 AM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Myrddin

I used to have a shepherd/coyote mix. Miss that dog...


47 posted on 04/15/2007 8:20:19 AM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: george76

“Wolf numbers continue to grow”

That’s a beautiful animal, so long as it isn’t killing you or your livestock.


48 posted on 04/15/2007 8:25:38 AM PDT by Grunthor (Outside a dog a book is man's best friend. Inside a dog it's too dark to read.)
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To: bboop

“Can’t wait to see a couple pick of some kids camping at Yellowstone.”

Really? Looking forward to that are ya?


49 posted on 04/15/2007 8:32:05 AM PDT by Grunthor (Outside a dog a book is man's best friend. Inside a dog it's too dark to read.)
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To: george76
Life will get better when there is a legal season on enviro-whacko's...they're just a bunch of al-quaida wannabee's.



SSS! is not snake in the corner...just do it.
50 posted on 04/15/2007 8:34:58 AM PDT by Issaquahking (Duncan Hunter for president!)
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