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Shots fired at Virginia Tech (AP: 33 dead, 15 wounded)
http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/story.php?relyear=2007&itemno=248 ^

Posted on 04/16/2007 7:14:16 AM PDT by LexHoskin

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To: NoBullZone; MamaDearest; nwctwx; Cindy; All

Internet abuzz over shooter’s mysterious markings
By Eric Benderoff
Chicago TribuneCHICAGO — All at once, the world went searching for the meaning of “Ismail Ax.”

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003670889_shootax18.html?syndication=rss

Check out: http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/ibrahim.htm

Gunman sent package to NBC News
‘This didn’t have to happen,’ says message mailed between shootings

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776/

VT Killer Ruled Mentally Ill by Court; Let Go After Hospital Visit
Harassed Two Female Students; Concerns He Was Suicidal
http://abcnews.go.com/US/print?id=3052278


4,941 posted on 04/18/2007 3:12:52 PM PDT by JustPiper ("It's one thing to authorize. It's another thing to actually appropriate the money and do it")
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To: JustPiper

NBC to air martyrdom video...

4,942 posted on 04/18/2007 3:13:59 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: archy
...and two Dremel tools.

This kind of crap is a major insult to Dremel-tool-owners everywhere, especially in the WECSOG community...

4,943 posted on 04/18/2007 3:15:01 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Just don't call me Geraldo...")
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To: BurbankKarl


Gunman contacted NBC during massacre; Rambling communication, video...
'NIGHTLY NEWS' will air portions this evening...
23 quicktime videos...

Ruled Mentally Ill by Court; Let Go After Hospital Visit...


CHO ON TAPE: KILL THE RICH



4,944 posted on 04/18/2007 3:17:06 PM PDT by yield 2 the right
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To: yield 2 the right

What a dipsh!t - he looks like the bag I end up with after cleaning up the ‘dog deposits’ in my back yard, every week or two...


4,945 posted on 04/18/2007 3:22:21 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Just don't call me Geraldo...")
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To: BagCamAddict
And while I absolutely abhor those violent video games, as someone else pointed out, there are millions and millions of kids playing those same video games every day, and they don’t go off and murder people. So even if he had been playing violent video games all day, it still wouldn’t be the video games’ “fault.”

Psycho is as psycho does. This guy was psycho, and had been for awhile.


Considering the worst school massacre was committed in 1927 and the third worst was in 1966, I have a feeling that people like Thompson are doing this for the attention.

It's a shame though, because the police and the media and the Dr. Phils and the Jack Thompsons all want to blame everything but the killer.

They want to say it was guns, movies, videogames, etc., when the truth is, you hit it on the head: psycho is as psycho does. People snap and you can look for all of the excuses in the world, but in the end, you still end up with a psycho and his victims. Trying to blame it on anything else does nothing but turn the murderer into a victim.
4,946 posted on 04/18/2007 4:01:28 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: yield 2 the right
I can't believe they are giving this sorry excuse for putrid-dog-crap-on-your-shoe any air time! It's just unbelievable to me! People ought to be using his dumb-@ss photos for toilet paper, and publicizing that fact.

(I think I'll print out a few copies, just to throw in on top of the garbage bags full of dog sh!t that I send out to the land fill. We've got two big ol' dog boys, and we have to pick up after 'em. Maybe toss in a picture of Osama, and the Clintons, to round things out. I might even stencil the outside of the bag "NBC," with white Rustoleum. It might make an interesting find for future archaeologists...)

4,947 posted on 04/18/2007 5:10:53 PM PDT by Who is John Galt?
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To: yield 2 the right
Here's a good public information slogan:

"Kill a student, get buried with dog sh!t."

I like it...

4,948 posted on 04/18/2007 5:14:45 PM PDT by Who is John Galt?
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To: DCPatriot
...sirens WERE being utilized Monday morning.

NOT a surprise that the majority of students ignored them.

Is it a fact that sirens went off all over the campus? I haven't heard or read of it. What time did they sound a warning, do you know?

For those of us who are ignorant of the safety measures VT employs, I would like to believe that every new student is instructed in what precautions to take when that siren is sounded...that the only instance in which they will hear them will be to indicate a dangerous, threatening situation.

4,949 posted on 04/18/2007 11:50:03 PM PDT by IIntense
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To: DCPatriot
...during the phony bomb threats...

Sorry. I didn't make this connection in my previous post to you. Of course, you're right. This is the typical reaction following false alarms, no matter how justified they are.

4,950 posted on 04/19/2007 12:09:56 AM PDT by IIntense
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To: archy
The gunman killed 32 people before fatally shooting himself. According to documents filed today, police searched Cho's door room yesterday and recovered a chain and combination lock. The front doors of Norris Hall had been chained shut from the inside during the shooting rampage. Other items seized include a folding knife; two computers, a hard disk and other computer disks; documents, books, notebooks and other writings; a digital camera; C-Ds; and two Dremel tools.

According to the affidavit, they found no video games. I wonder what excuse Dr. Phil and Jack Thompson are going to have to find now, that would allow them to turn this guy into a victim, since they apparently can't say he was a victim of videogames.
4,951 posted on 04/19/2007 6:23:34 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr
According to the affidavit, they found no video games. I wonder what excuse Dr. Phil and Jack Thompson are going to have to find now, that would allow them to turn this guy into a victim, since they apparently can't say he was a victim of videogames.

It's my understanding that Ishmael_Ax, the name he left written in blood-red ink on his arem before he killed himself, was his character name as a World of Warcraft player. Though that's not precisely a *videogame.*

Do you happen to recall a 1983 Debbie Harry/James Woods movie Videodrome from director David Cronenberg?

4,952 posted on 04/19/2007 6:49:18 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Who is John Galt?
What a dipsh!t - he looks like the bag I end up with after cleaning up the ‘dog deposits’ in my back yard, every week or two...

What an interesting observation. My first thought on seeing his poses was that I now have a new image for use as silhouette targets.


4,953 posted on 04/19/2007 7:02:16 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: IIntense
VT is not Iraq. The dorm murders can't be compared to a war zone.

Technical details of the differences may have been lost to about 30 or so VT students and employees last Monday.

I agree, life at VT is not as severe as that in a war zone.

Yet.


4,954 posted on 04/19/2007 7:12:11 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Who is John Galt?
...and two Dremel tools.

This kind of crap is a major insult to Dremel-tool-owners everywhere, especially in the WECSOG community

For those who don't get the WECSOG reference:


4,955 posted on 04/19/2007 7:19:24 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Hyzenthlay
I get your point. And I am inclined to agree about the 'average' student, at least remembering my college days. I'm not calling for arming the entire campus.

Think, if you will about the one-half or even one percent who might be able to carry without incident--the ones with the maturity, demeanor, and who are willing to embrace the responsibility which goes with the right.

One half a percent translates to one person in evry 200 armed. Statistically speaking one person in the lecture bowl, depending on the class size. One in every second or third classroom. In the case of Tech, that would mean 130 additional people (out of 26000), aside from any arms campus security or police might be carrying, who have the ability to stop a lunatic.

While that is no guarantee there will not be incidents, especially if the forces of jihad pull out the stops, it is a level of ability to respond to threats which no police force nor security can provide on such a widespread basis.

In all actuality, permit holders would not be likely to be completely evenly dispersed throughout the campus. I would wager certain majors would attract the types of persons who would be more likely to seek their concealed carry permits, (that would make for an interesting study, in and of itself), and these folks would tend to be more concentrated in the vicinity of those departments. Still, it would have great potential to reduce the capacity for violence, just as permit holders do off campus.

As you said, it isn't for everyone. It is a tremendous responsibility, and one not to be taken lightly.

4,956 posted on 04/19/2007 8:53:36 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Why would he file off (or try to) the serial numbers on the weapon?

Because he was an English major?

An acid etch will bring the serial numbers 'back up' in most cases, anyway. Had he been more knowledgeable about metallurgy, he would have known this.

4,957 posted on 04/19/2007 8:56:27 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: AppyPappy
Hello - how are you doing? Just a question that I haven't heard explained - but it may have been. Has it been explained why Cho went after the first victim? Had he been stalking her? Surely his computer would show emails he might have sent her? Just curious - I hadn't heard yet why exactly he went after her specifically.

Thanks.....and would also like your comments on NBC airing Cho's tirade, videos, pictures. You can Freepmail me if desired. Take care.

4,958 posted on 04/19/2007 10:18:10 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Smokin' Joe
I get your point. And I am inclined to agree about the 'average' student, at least remembering my college days. I'm not calling for arming the entire campus.

I am. Fines for anyone caught not carrying an effective defensive weapon, jail time for repeat negligent offenders.

It's a duty and responsibility of citizenship to not only take care of yourself, but to be able to assist another. I don't think that those with religious or other deeply held philosophical scruples against doing should be forced to do something against their beliefs, but there needs to be a way to tell them from the stupid or lazy who've just forgotten or misplaced their weapon.

So a reasonably available exemption license should be available for those people once they demonstrate their sincerity, and something temporary for those medically or otherwise temporarily incapable of effectively defending themselves. The fee for such permits can be used to offset the public cost of protecting those who can't help protect themselves or others, with fee waivers for those experiencing simple temporary interruptions in their ability.

A college student who can't exhibit the restraint and skill level of a $9.00-per-hour security guard doesn't belong in college. And if he negligently or irresponsibly acts in ways that threaten others, there'll be an entire university community of those prepared and equipped to deal with it.

4,959 posted on 04/19/2007 10:22:12 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Yes he stalked her.

“and would also like your comments on NBC airing Cho’s tirade, videos, pictures”

I talked to a lot of media people today. That was a business decision that I understand. But the media is now complicit in the killing albeit against their will. He drug them into his crime. They are tools just like the guns that were used.


4,960 posted on 04/19/2007 2:03:25 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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